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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 5:46:58 AM

MrDiscipline44

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"A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit to His slave. A slave can only submit if she can master her Master's heart."

His place as Master within this TPE relationship does not submit to my place within it as His slave.

YMMV aka Disclaimers:
*which is what i refer to from any example offered with this post. i do understand that there are others, who in their own M/s relationship, can say that it is so, for them).
**for the naysayers: barring death, certain acts of disfigurement and/or maming, and some unlawful acts
***according to our own definition of what is and is not defined as such .... YMMV

amen!

I agree. Very well said.

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 5:51:01 AM

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To me, to Master or dominate another does not require any emotional attachment. Indeed, it is sometimes better that no emotional attachment happens at all for some relationships.

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 5:58:58 AM

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To me, to Master or dominate another does not require any emotional attachment. Indeed, it is sometimes better that no emotional attachment happens at all for some relationships.

this slave's own personal opinion mirrors this statement. She truly believes that love has no place in her relationship with Master; nor does she want it to. This slave truly believes that love detracts from the ownership.

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 7:58:58 AM

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Here is how it is for me...making a futile attempt at explaining this...*grin

Submission, if one wishes to call it that, has been the only way i have known to interact in my intimate relationships ever since i began dating as a young teenager. i knew what i needed in a man, and what i desired to give to a man, long before i knew about the "lifestyle" or the tenets of D/s, etc. It is how i love and express my affection. i have only been with dominant men. i have always deferred to the man in my relationship as a natural progression of my growth. In terms of vanilla, i have never had that. It was a D/s to M/s progression that occured totally on its own in my relationships. So when my first dominant guy showed me the joy in getting my ass beat, and the significance of obedience, and taught me how to respect, and respectfully speak my mind without provocation, it automatically became a part of my intimacy, and not just a "good spank", a good punishment, a good discipline session, etc. It was a natural thing, and felt right for me.

M/s dynamic is an integral part of how i love, i don't know how to seperate those parts of myself, for i am whole and have to love and submit wholly or not at all. My love and my submission are one and the same.

Because i know this about myself, i am careful who i join with, because i can't just be in an M/s relationship with only a part of me. i have to be in it all the way, or nothing. The fulfillment must be mutually felt and exchanged, to include the principle of love.

i cannot be in a "committed and intimate" relationship if the man cannot love me back, for maybe his Mastery is not anywhere near love, and since my submission IS the way i love, it wouldn't be a healthy match for me in that sense.

i have only (fallen) in love once. i know what that can do to a person's head and heart if the one they are in love with does not respect, or reciprocate, and instead offers selfishness and abuse of such love. Since that time, with much painful experience and learning under the bridge, relationships for me now are based on a "descision" to love, based on the principle of love, and not fleeting emotions. i believe that distinction makes a difference in the M/s dynamic. When i "decide" to love, i am not stripped of self control, i am confident, for it was my descision. i wasn't rolled over with torrents of emotional surges, that toppled me from thinking rationally, for when it is based on my descision, then love becomes deep, calm and sublime. Yet, the passion is there, but it is healthy and controlled.

As far as structure in M/s, i don't need structure, i need the dynamic. It has to be a fluid dynamic, that can flex with change, and not resistant to change, for i am always growing and changing as i learn. i am not the same person i was a year ago, and this time next year, i will not be the person i am today. If i am confined to ridgid structure, i would suffocate and die spiritually, for i am a free spirited person. Those who Master my person are those who have the same type of spirit and understanding of love and M/s that i do.

The whole of M/s is the conduit for my love and affection.

The principle of love has to be there no matter what emotions are flying around, the underlying principle is still an unwavering love, that deep and sublime love that keeps the bottom centered and grounded. Because emotions will come and go, but the principle of love shouldn't be tossed around and disrespected so carelessly. Just the way i view things for my life.

So for me, i will have it all, the M/s and the love, or i will choose nothing. My line of integrity will not allow me to settle for less than that which totally fulfills my spirit and soul. Just my way of loving and serving and living my life to the fullest in my relationships. Hope this made sense, and thanks for reading. *smile

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 8:09:21 AM

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I guess my view is different than most. I'm not a person with terribly strong emotions. My passions tend to run more towards things I create. I see excesses of love directed at me as being rather needy and demanding......it feels vampiric, and I tend to dislike that, it ruins my focus.

So while I can feel a degree of affection for a partner-it's never going to be that head over heels stuff. Some people like to do this whole melting into each other routine-but frankly-I don't want to be a woman. I'm male, with the usual male traits and foibles. And I am happy that way.

So what it comes down to for me, is this. Is she fun? Is she useful? Does she free up my time to do more important/productive things? Does she provide pleasant companionship? And most important of all-does she create more time for me than it takes to maintain her?

This is my criteria for an ideal consenting servant. Love has nothing to do with it.

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 8:17:44 AM

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I guess it boils down to what each perceives as love. i now live by principles, and not emotions. They are different animals. Lust, and passion are different than the principle of love that i speak of. It is based on a deeper universal reverence for life, and people. For me, love is unconditional, and has its base secured below fleeting temporal emotion. When i "decide" to love, it is based on much thought and not rushed. Therefore if one chooses to abuse this type of love that i offer, i am not as drawn into the emotional drama and superficiality of such surges. Just my view. *smile

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 8:19:37 AM

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I guess my view is different than most. I'm not a person with terribly strong emotions. My passions tend to run more towards things I create. I see excesses of love directed at me as being rather needy and demanding......it feels vampiric, and I tend to dislike that, it ruins my focus.

So while I can feel a degree of affection for a partner-it's never going to be that head over heels stuff. Some people like to do this whole melting into each other routine-but frankly-I don't want to be a woman. I'm male, with the usual male traits and foibles. And I am happy that way.

So what it comes down to for me, is this. Is she fun? Is she useful? Does she free up my time to do more important/productive things? Does she provide pleasant companionship? And most important of all-does she create more time for me than it takes to maintain her?

This is my criteria for an ideal consenting servant. Love has nothing to do with it.

This is all good, in and of itself. But in saying this, there is the implication of one-way. In that case, you might seem like the vampiric one.

Is there no 'caretaking' for the servant?

Jeff

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 8:20:41 AM

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I guess my view is different than most. I'm not a person with terribly strong emotions. My passions tend to run more towards things I create. I see excesses of love directed at me as being rather needy and demanding......it feels vampiric, and I tend to dislike that, it ruins my focus.

So while I can feel a degree of affection for a partner-it's never going to be that head over heels stuff. Some people like to do this whole melting into each other routine-but frankly-I don't want to be a woman. I'm male, with the usual male traits and foibles. And I am happy that way.

So what it comes down to for me, is this. Is she fun? Is she useful? Does she free up my time to do more important/productive things? Does she provide pleasant companionship? And most important of all-does she create more time for me than it takes to maintain her?

This is my criteria for an ideal consenting servant. Love has nothing to do with it.

This is all good, in and of itself. But in saying this, there is the implication of one-way. In that case, you might seem like the vampiric one.

Is there no 'caretaking' for the servant?

Jeff

I did mention maintanence. But a junker is a money pit.

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 2:17:48 PM

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Is'nt it often the man and presumably in a dom and certainly a master and his insouciance (indifference)...that is most appealing ? For many women that is manliness and is appealing for a while, but over a long term, the life time affair, it is the kink, the pain, all of it...that reveals the love of a master. We too often think of and look for vanilla signs of love in either...we will find some here...but not always. In the past there was a love but not the kind that meant marriage or reflected a desire for a life-time affair...although it could be. The love of a master is often hidden...more on that later.

LA...girl...you're batt'n about a thousand here. Yes, 'slave heart' enters into the realm of semantic vanity...and coming from either master or slave. Again...isn't it the love in a slaves heart that inspires her service to him ? It is the slave in her that obeys her master under his ownership.

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 7:04:20 PM

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Why would one equate submitting of the heart, as being vanilla, and why does it have to be either heart felt love or the other? Why can't there be both love and the D/s structure? i know many who have both. Maybe i am missing something here...kind of dense today anyway from no sleep and being overworked. *grin

Could not Mastery be the blanket of the heart connection, like they are sort of layered beneath one another, with the over all being D/s first, than love beneath it. Isn't that what some folks refer to as having it all, in a well rounded relationship? Just trying to understand and be clear.

if you desire to have a power structure,it's a good idea for the slave to be hopelessly in love with you. It gives you emotional leverage over her.

On the dominant side, you have to avoid being leveraged-so you have to maintain a degree of emotional self control that lets you use YOUR leverage-rather than losing your grip on it.

Not to be impudent..But do you not think that counting on leverage as a way to control a sub/slave is rather a poor way to Dominate said sub/slave?Loving IMO does not change who you are, wether it be Dominant or submissive.You are who you are leverage or no...Loving or no......Tempting

Define leverage.

An act of positional advantage...Tempting

And why is it wrong to use power as a tool?

Not wrong to use as a tool, but IMO you use it to keep your submissive at bay ,to fight what might happen to you emotionally and hence it becomes the whole dynamic rather than simply one of many tools.Note the word "fight" used,..are you at war with your submissive?...Tempting

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RE: A Master is only a Master if His heart can submit..... - 9/27/2006 7:37:53 PM

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I agree with Voltare in-so-much as it is a silly statement and non sequitor towards someone being dominant.

My "heart" submits only to electrical impulses that keep it jumping pretty well.

~J

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