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RE:DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 12:44:25 PM

SweetSarijane

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My opinion.........he's a chauvinist, sexist too. Orientation and sex have nothing to do with who makes a good DM. It's the individual's ability and knowledge that count.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:06:47 PM

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:08:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

There is an upcoming DM class being offered in my area. I called a friend of mine who is a slave to tell her about it, thinking she may be interested. She is a very level headed and calm person who has many active years in the lifestyle. She is also a nurse which I thought would be a bonus. I think she would make a great DM.

I was rather surprised though, when she said that her Master wouldn't allow her to take the class because he feels that only Master's can be DM's....and even more surprised to hear that he thinks only MALE Master's can. Any thoughts???

I think its silly. I've been a DM before, and I'm neither a man nor a dominant.

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Edited to add: And I have no problem telling people what to do. When did being one persons property make someone devoid of leadership qualities and completely comfortable running events or organizations?

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:16:09 PM

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These particular DMs are only scewing themselves.

More DMs = less time DMing = more time playing

An ideal DM is a responsible person, whether they are dom/sub/switch/bottom/top is not relevant, nor is gender.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:28:36 PM

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Subs and women can't be DM's? Dumbest thing I've heard all day.

I agree the role isn't for everybody male or female, dom or sub. You have to be able to walk up to somebody and tell them "That's against the rules, knock it off!" and mean it and be willing to do what is necessary to make that person behave up to and including shouting "Hey rube" and getting enough folks together to throw the person out hard enough that they bounce. I know plenty of Dom men I wouldn't rely on to be able and willing to do that and some sub women who I'd trust to do the job no matter what.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:36:27 PM

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Female and submissive DMs are the norm in places i go to, and i agree with the basic tag "pig".. but..

i can see her Masters decision .. in His mind, it's not something HE wishes to see... His slave having authority over other Dominants or Tops. Well, it seems that is more about the role He is keeping her to.. and it's not so bad. No different from a Dom who will not allow His sub to interrupt another Dom at an event, which is a pretty universal theme really.

W/we all like to say that's about basic manners, but i notice no Dom ever chastised His sub for interrupting another sub, so it's related to His feelings about her rank within the community, not about basic manners. (subs can boss other subsm but though shalt not jump rank!)

i can see why that feeling about a subs rank within the community would carry over to DM role. Not that i agree, but i can see a Dom not wanting to see His sub take on a peer-to-peer role.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:38:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

There is an upcoming DM class being offered in my area. I called a friend of mine who is a slave to tell her about it, thinking she may be interested. She is a very level headed and calm person who has many active years in the lifestyle. She is also a nurse which I thought would be a bonus. I think she would make a great DM.

I was rather surprised though, when she said that her Master wouldn't allow her to take the class because he feels that only Master's can be DM's....and even more surprised to hear that he thinks only MALE Master's can. Any thoughts???

I'm actually wondering why the OP was presented as an outsider seeking validation of her "judgemental opinion" of the relationship decisions of a male master of a slave friend.

If your question or opinion is actually what is the most appropriate gender for a DM?... then why did you NOT ask your question as opposed to juicing it up to solicit feminist rancor towards a "knuckle dragging" male master... LOL!

Is your premise or opinion so weak it needs to be wrapped in gender bashing.. AND relationship judging? The answer to that question however appears to be rather obvious, does it not.

Shame on the OP for suckering in all the bleeders in support of a gender based "equality" opinionated discussion--your bad!

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:42:17 PM

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Color me naive. What does DM mean? It meant Dungeon Master when I played Dungeons & Dragons.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:43:41 PM

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I frankly don't see why ANYONE, either male or female would want to dabble in Deutsch Marks at this particular time, it is rather risky business as they prepare to become euroed.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:43:43 PM

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I have never seen it, but I think it is a good idea. A sub can bring new insight to things, plus, possibly be more understanding. I have had a Barney Fife, DM, give me and the sub I was with crap because of his misunderstandings. I have to think a female sub DM just may have a bit more sensitivity and handle things in a nicer way.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:44:05 PM

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My first reactions is: idiot.

But, upon reflection, my second answer is: it will depend on the situation. If it's a Dominant support group, specifially set up so that the Dominants are in charge, it wouldn't be appropriate for subs and slaves to be DMs (and thus be in charge). This doesn't mean that they don't have the ABILITY, simply that it wouldn't be appropriate. If the group above was specifically a Male Dominant or all male group, then obviously Fem Dom DMs don't make sense either. As a founding officer of a support group like this for Female Dominants, we decided that it wasn't appropriate to have subs and slaves DM. But, we decided that simply because we are set up so that the Fem Doms are ALWAYS in charge. We weren't saying that they didn't have the ability, simply that it wasn't appropriate for our group.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:44:48 PM

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I'm going to give the unpopular opinion and say that I would prefer a man in the position of DM because I'd rather he be the tough guy when/if we need one. Sort of the same reason I would want the draft for women to be optional, not mandatory.
But that is just my opinion, and I could be wrong. M

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 1:44:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin
This of course, would not explain his thoughts on "males only" though.

i could see that too... if the dungeon attendees include Gorean Masters who don the roles based on Gender only... there might be a justification (in the Masters eyes! NOt the clubs!) with Him thinking her authority wouldn't be recognised by certain males, placing bottoms at risk.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 2:05:06 PM

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No, this is incorrect. You definitely need the cock to DM and I'll tell you why:

You see, the DM cock is genetically predisposed to sense a scene gone bad.

In the presence of impending doom, the DM Cock begins to elongate and glow. It acts much like the cut peach-tree divining branch, to pull the DM to the doomed scene.

The offending Dom is immediately drawn in, entranced with awe to it's splendor and girth distracting him long enough for the doomed sub to run away to safety in the arms of her sister subs.

This is the most manly of spiritual callings and only the especially gifted ones with the DM cock are allowed.

Sad but true.

(Damn! I did it again.. I just gotta start checking my lithium levels before posting!)

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 2:17:07 PM

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FYI....I wasn't juding any relationship decisions of any Master....his decisions regarding her are their business not mine.

I asked the question because I wanted to know how many others feel this same way. I'm sorry if you think that I "juiced" it up in order to sway the responses. I had a conversation with a friend. I stated the gist of the conversation. I stated my surprise at the conversation. No "juicing".

Did something I said strike a nerve or something?

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 2:26:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sluggy67

Color me naive. What does DM mean? It meant Dungeon Master when I played Dungeons & Dragons.

DM means Dungeon Monitor

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 2:35:55 PM

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Quite frankly, I could careless what this guy thinks. To each, his own. He doesn't think sub/slave women should be Dm's, well, that makes it his slaves command to not DM then. More power to him. Personally, if I tell my girl(s) to DM an event we're hosting, they better get their sweet asses in there and do as they're told. Likewise, if I tell them to stay out of something, they better stay out of it.

As for women DM's, I've seen just as many women be chauvanist cunts as I've seen men being dicks. Doesn't matter to me as I rarely play in a public venue.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 3:01:02 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

FYI....I wasn't juding any relationship decisions of any Master....his decisions regarding her are their business not mine. <--- my point exactly

I asked the question because I wanted to know how many others feel this same way. I'm sorry if you think that I "juiced" it up in order to sway the responses. I had a conversation with a friend. I stated the gist of the conversation. I stated my surprise at the conversation. No "juicing".

Did something I said strike a nerve or something?

On the contrary, you demonstrated my point well. The question you asked was in reference to that particular master's decision...

quote:

There is an upcoming DM class being offered in my area. I called a friend of mine who is a slave to tell her about it, thinking she may be interested. She is a very level headed and calm person who has many active years in the lifestyle. She is also a nurse which I thought would be a bonus. I think she would make a great DM. <---- your position/opinion intro

I was rather surprised though, when she said that her Master wouldn't allow her to take the class because he feels that only Master's can be DM's....and even more surprised to hear that he thinks only MALE Master's can. Any thoughts??? <---- your question is NOT based on HIM?

Yeah, you "juiced" it alright... and you did good... and you also sucked em' all into it... that's the funniest part.

(and big kudos to those posters who didn't attack the knuckle dragger master for you, lol)

The whole question was based against his decisions and your supplied rationale for his decision.... which very coincidentally did not coincide with your preconceived decision... oopsies, just an amazing coincidence, totally innocent/inquisitive only.... yeah.

You spelled out the answer and then asked the question... call it "juicing", call it stacking the jury, call it whatever you want.... it's your innocent "right until proven right" toy, LOL.

Who's nerve got struck here mistoferin... it was obvious to me before in the OP, and now doubly obvious...

If you notice closely, I've not answered to the OP's DM thoughts... it's a loaded trick question to prove you are right.... your thread is political to your conversation moreso than to the objective situation based DM gender/role subject. It's very personally biased in order to prove you right and the master wrong on HIS decision and thinking... so again, shame on you.

I wouldn't go as far as to call it remote topping from the bottom... but it's kinda the same "juice".

As I said before, why not merely pose the subject verses the situation you obviously disagreed so much with?

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 5:52:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I don't think that he is basing his decision on the physical abilities of the DM. From the conversation, his point of contention seems to be that for a submissive/slave type to be able to tell a Dom/Master type what to do in a scene would be in contradiction to their roles. This of course, would not explain his thoughts on "males only" though.

And his way of thinking is fine for him and his...but how many times have we seen it discussed on here that just because someone is submissive, it does not mean that he/she is your submissive? As for him being "in role", "living the role", "born into the role"...again, that's all fine and dandy but his interpretation of what a submissive should and should not do should not extend over into the rules in someone else's playpen, be it their home or their club.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 9:05:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

FYI....I wasn't juding any relationship decisions of any Master....his decisions regarding her are their business not mine. <--- my point exactly

I asked the question because I wanted to know how many others feel this same way. I'm sorry if you think that I "juiced" it up in order to sway the responses. I had a conversation with a friend. I stated the gist of the conversation. I stated my surprise at the conversation. No "juicing".

Did something I said strike a nerve or something?

On the contrary, you demonstrated my point well. The question you asked was in reference to that particular master's decision...

quote:

There is an upcoming DM class being offered in my area. I called a friend of mine who is a slave to tell her about it, thinking she may be interested. She is a very level headed and calm person who has many active years in the lifestyle. She is also a nurse which I thought would be a bonus. I think she would make a great DM. <---- your position/opinion intro

I was rather surprised though, when she said that her Master wouldn't allow her to take the class because he feels that only Master's can be DM's....and even more surprised to hear that he thinks only MALE Master's can. Any thoughts??? <---- your question is NOT based on HIM?

Yeah, you "juiced" it alright... and you did good... and you also sucked em' all into it... that's the funniest part.
(and big kudos to those posters who didn't attack the knuckle dragger master for you, lol)

The whole question was based against his decisions and your supplied rationale for his decision.... which very coincidentally did not coincide with your preconceived decision... oopsies, just an amazing coincidence, totally innocent/inquisitive only.... yeah.

You spelled out the answer and then asked the question... call it "juicing", call it stacking the jury, call it whatever you want.... it's your innocent "right until proven right" toy, LOL.

Who's nerve got struck here mistoferin... it was obvious to me before in the OP, and now doubly obvious...

If you notice closely, I've not answered to the OP's DM thoughts... it's a loaded trick question to prove you are right.... your thread is political to your conversation moreso than to the objective situation based DM gender/role subject. It's very personally biased in order to prove you right and the master wrong on HIS decision and thinking... so again, shame on you.

I wouldn't go as far as to call it remote topping from the bottom... but it's kinda the same "juice".

As I said before, why not merely pose the subject verses the situation you obviously disagreed so much with?

I really should not even justify this with a response. I would suggest to you that in the future, before you spout off about what my intentions and thoughts are, you may wish to take your crystal ball in for service there Kreskin because you are far off the mark. You know what they say about when one assumes......

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