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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 9:10:48 PM

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A DM ("Dungeon Monitor," usually, but I've also heard "Dungeon Master" and "Dungeon Mistress") is a person who makes sure that everyone is playing by the house rules.

It's scenespeak.

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What does DM mean? It meant Dungeon Master when I played Dungeons & Dragons.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 9:37:44 PM

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I really should not even justify this with a response. I would suggest to you that in the future, before you spout off about what my intentions and thoughts are, you may wish to take your crystal ball in for service there Kreskin because you are far off the mark. You know what they say about when one assumes......

Assuming your written words reflect your thoughts and intent.... Your question was cool, but the juicing was overkill, lol

All I want to do is help those poor people, so sorry if you feel I judged your judgment of another's judgment...

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 10:20:26 PM

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 10:37:21 PM

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Gee, i didn't think mistoferin's question was a pointed request to evaluate the Master choices.. it's just interesting to many of us to say, "Here's something i heard, is it a common thought process or no?" If i only wanted to know the way my small world operated, i wouldn't bother with message boards. It is fun to ask these things and get a wider view.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/27/2006 10:56:55 PM

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I think Celeste and Aine pretty much covered my opinion on the topic!

Ditto. I know if only dominant men were allowed to DM at Desert Dominion, there'd be very little play going on for lack of DMs.

DMing doesn't require brute strength or a loud, deep voice. All it requires is knowledge of the venue's rules and a bit of sense.

At Desert Dominion, if a DM's ruling is not obeyed, there is a whole room full of people ready to enforce it.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 12:09:57 AM

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i can see her Masters decision .. in His mind, it's not something HE wishes to see... His slave having authority over other Dominants or Tops. Well, it seems that is more about the role He is keeping her to.. and it's not so bad. No different from a Dom who will not allow His sub to interrupt another Dom at an event, which is a pretty universal theme really.

You know, I could almost buy this argument if not for the actual OP which isn't that the man doesn't want 'his' slave to DM .. it's that he doesn't feel anyone but a Master can DM. In my book that's called bigotry. You are judging the ability of an entire group of people. For some reason, that bothers me.. always has.

Would you feel differently if he said only white guys could DM or Mexican's shouldn't be allowed to attend those classes? What's the difference?

One step further it's not just a Master, but a male one at that - women, regardless of ability shouldn't even be allowed to attend? I gotta wonder if the guy is really pissed off that we're even allowed to vote. Sugar coat it, dip it in sachrine, try to sweeten it as much as you like.. it's still bitter, it's still bigotry and it stinks to high heaven.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 12:16:36 AM

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I was rather surprised though, when she said that her Master wouldn't allow her to take the class because he feels that only Master's can be DM's....and even more surprised to hear that he thinks only MALE Master's can. Any thoughts???

One of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 12:32:22 AM

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He's excercising his perogative over what he owns-deal with it.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 3:24:38 AM

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You know, I could almost buy this argument if not for the actual OP which isn't that the man doesn't want 'his' slave to DM .. it's that he doesn't feel anyone but a Master can DM.

That's true, i had to re-read the post to separate out His decision for her from the blanket statement "he feels that only Master's can be DM's". That also leaves out "Tops" or "Doms" of either gender as well as subs and slaves. When i read it that way, i'd have to wonder if that means He personally wouldn't accept the authority of a Female DM.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 3:59:06 AM

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How bizarre....frankly someone who said crap like that wouldn't be permitted to DM in my local group ....
Oh and the restraint thing ...Ive worked as a security contact (boucer) gender and size really aren't an issue with the right training, you cant beat a reasonable polite and firm manner.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 7:52:45 AM

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He's excercising his perogative over what he owns-deal with it.

Again, you have misread what was stated. It is quite clearly stated by the OP and several others that it was not just his opinion that "HIS" sub/slave should not DM, it was his opinion that NO submissive/slave should DM. That is his point of view regarding something that we are all engaged in...D/s and BDSM...and at the point where his POV addresses how things should be for all of us, then his POV becomes fair game.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 8:09:49 AM

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He's excercising his perogative over what he owns-deal with it.

Again, you have misread what was stated. It is quite clearly stated by the OP and several others that it was not just his opinion that "HIS" sub/slave should not DM, it was his opinion that NO submissive/slave should DM. That is his point of view regarding something that we are all engaged in...D/s and BDSM...and at the point where his POV addresses how things should be for all of us, then his POV becomes fair game.

He has a right to his beliefs. What gives you the right to diss him? It's not as if he can control the outcome.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 8:10:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

There is an upcoming DM class being offered in my area. I called a friend of mine who is a slave to tell her about it, thinking she may be interested. She is a very level headed and calm person who has many active years in the lifestyle. She is also a nurse which I thought would be a bonus. I think she would make a great DM.

I was rather surprised though, when she said that her Master wouldn't allow her to take the class because he feels that only Master's can be DM's....and even more surprised to hear that he thinks only MALE Master's can. Any thoughts???

That's completely absurd. Anyone who is responsible, who has a keen eye and a calm, tactful manner can be a DM. You're a combination of wallpaper and a boy/girl scout, not command a frickin army.

The one and only thing I've run into with bottoms/subs DMing (and that's from being DungeonMaster for a 1000+ person event here on the east coast) is that at times, they can be "tranced" by stopping and watching a particular scene. However, doms can be tripped up just as much by that phenomenon!

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 8:10:57 AM

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I can understand slaves not being dms due to the role imbalance and that yes some slaves are timid with it and wouldn't make good dms any how ... but there are those by nature or design are keenly aware of their surroundings, personal self aware and not backwards in come forwards if that is what is expected of them.

The gender thing ... meh, I could generalise he is a neanderthal but without knowing his reasoning it would be pointless to analyse.

Should only men be dms... no... but then they do like to play protector so I've utilised a fair share of males, of both roles, to monitor parties I've run...but then I've utilised a few females too.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 8:13:01 AM

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I would not want to take the class after that, and if I belonged to certain organizations I would let them know about that experience. What they wish to do with that knowledge would be up to them. I would also consider contacting capable people within the community that were up to the task of giving such classes, and if such an individual existed I would encourage them to hold a more inclusive class.

Pssst, it was the MASTER who said she couldn't take the class as a sub, not the organization.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 8:14:28 AM

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It's amusing that so many here seem to feel that the man has to follow their points of view. Without even knowing him. Which leads me to think that the op simply set up this topic with the intent to pillory someone we don't even know.

How adult.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 8:14:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Silvermoon

One reason they MAY be thinking that, is that a submissive is not going to wish to stop a scene. That is, after all against all protocol. A submissive should never interrupt a conversation, yet alone a scene. I know a number of submissives who would never considering Dm's because they'd be too nervous to interrupt, self doubting themselves

The counterargument would be that a submissive could be MORE likely to see the subtle signs that another submissive was in trouble....and WOULD intervene to protect the peer.

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 8:19:45 AM

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Color me naive. What does DM mean? It meant Dungeon Master when I played Dungeons & Dragons.

Dungeon Monitor. It's the person who is entrusted with monitoring the play activity and trafic in a playspace.

http://www.dungeonmonitors.com/

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 8:27:09 AM

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Two issues

What this man does not want his slave to do... his perogative

Is he a bigot and a sexist? Yes, do I personally care? No

As someone that has been sexually harassed, passed over for jobs because of my sex, and treated as though my opinion did not matter as a submissive... well there are all kinds of assholes in the world. I take them on depending on the impact they have in my personal life. I do not see why Archie Bunker really matters in his view of female kind. There is a whole board of Goreans that would agree with him. There are a whole bunch of female supremist that would just reverse the gender discrimination to men and not women...

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RE: DM'ing....for Master's only???? - 9/28/2006 8:41:29 AM

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I am sorry but this whole thread is a pile of dung. Look at how many groups are held together by submissives. Most dominants in the scene are either wimps or blowhards, neither of which is a good trait in a DM. One needs a calm level headed none confrontative but firm demeanor. In my opinion and experience, submissives make FAR better DMs than dominants. Most dominants are petty control freaks (like the idiot master the OP is speaking of) and have ZERO business telling others what to do but become DMs so they CAN tell others what to do.

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