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Level -> Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/27/2006 6:01:04 PM)

Poll: Iraqis back attacks on U.S. troops



By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer2 hours, 31 minutes ago

About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces, and slightly more than that want their government to ask U.S. troops to leave within a year, a poll finds.

The Iraqis also have negative views of Osama bin Laden, according to the early September poll of 1,150.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060927/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraqi_opinion




Termyn8or -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/27/2006 6:18:18 PM)

Ya don't say.

How bout they do to us what we did to them and run a poll.

T




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/27/2006 6:44:21 PM)

So, like, this is supposed to be some kind of surprise?  It'd be more surprising if they did NOT support attacks on the invading forces. 




Lordandmaster -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/27/2006 6:49:02 PM)

I'm surprised it's only 6 in 10.

It was 47% not long ago, and it was pretty obvious that number was going to rise.

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ORIGINAL: Level

About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces, and slightly more than that want their government to ask U.S. troops to leave within a year, a poll finds.




Rule -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/27/2006 6:59:24 PM)

They would be wise to also attack the non-American invading forces.
 
This invasion and conquest of this oil rich country dishonors all occupying forces.




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/27/2006 7:09:03 PM)

Amen to that.
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ORIGINAL: Rule
This invasion and conquest of this oil rich country dishonors all occupying forces.




juliaoceania -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/27/2006 7:27:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I'm surprised it's only 6 in 10.

It was 47% not long ago, and it was pretty obvious that number was going to rise.

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ORIGINAL: Level

About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces, and slightly more than that want their government to ask U.S. troops to leave within a year, a poll finds.



Well to be fair to the ones that do not support attacking our troops... look at what happened in Fallujah




toservez -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/27/2006 8:50:59 PM)

I am one of those that is surprised it is not higher. Your country is getting destroyed it would only be natural to point your biggest finger, maybe the middle one, at the direct causer and/or the current athoritary figure.

Maybe there is a country out there in history that someone could point out, but I cannot think of one that embraces an foreign ruler of their own country. Puts up with unitl they are gone is the best you can hope for and we certainly have not given them a reason to believe in us.





juliaoceania -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/27/2006 9:01:38 PM)

Losing over a million in the Iraq/Iran war and over a decade of sanctions followed by a bloody and lopng occupation probably only brings a longing for stability and peace ...




seeksfemslave -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 12:07:25 AM)

I dont know how the "war" is reported in the US but never forget that for the most part it is Eyeraki killing Eyraki. That IS what is happening ,even though they are being offered a chance to form their own government !
For those who say well it wouldn't be happening but for the war , thats because Saddam would have killed them !

Now in Afghanistan,   thats different !




UtopianRanger -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 12:13:31 AM)

I am surprised the ''powers that be'' who forced this... always think so optimistically with regard to a war with occupation when history consistently tells us otherwise.

How does that saying go.....''.The only way you "win" a war of occupation is the old-fashioned way, the way Rome finally defeated the Carthaginians: kill all the fighters, enslave everyone else, raze the cities and sow the fields with salt.''




 
- R




cloudboy -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 7:18:15 AM)


Frank Rich in his new book theorizes that the "powers that be" only wanted to win the mid term elections and that beyond that they had no real reason for the IRAQ war.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 8:11:57 AM)

Oh they had lots of reasons for the war.  Their cronies are raking it in.

Here's a cute little book to read:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&isbn=0471745944




CrappyDom -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 8:22:43 AM)

People, lets not forget the basic difference between liberals and Republicans.  Republicans would surrender, cooperate, and support anyone who occupied America, liberals would fight them.

Which is why they expected Iraqis to welcome us with flowers and can't grasp why someone might want to attack an invader, the concept is entirely foreign to them.  Same reason they believe a rag tag group of radicals who can't manage to take over a single Muslim state or defeat tiny Israel is a threat to the whole world.  They are such cowards that they cower in fear and are so eager to surrender their freedom for the illusion of safety.

When the world was threatened by fascism it was the left that raised an army of civilians and went overseas to fight fascism, the right has NEVER done anything but support our enemies.   The Bush family were Hitler's bankers, the Republicans kept America from arming to fight fascism.  Bush himself was paying tribute to the Taliban prior to 9/11, and didn't invade the two countries primarily responsible for that horrible attack and instead literally holds their hand.




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 8:54:50 AM)

CrappyDom:  I love your mind!




Level -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 3:23:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Frank Rich in his new book theorizes that the "powers that be" only wanted to win the mid term elections and that beyond that they had no real reason for the IRAQ war.


I would say Mr. Rich needs to try harder lol.




Level -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 3:24:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

CrappyDom:  I love your mind!


He does have a good one, which makes me think he hired someone else to write that post [:D].




WyrdRich -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 3:31:34 PM)

     As I recall my history lessons Crappy, Roosevelt's Republican opponent in the 1940 election refused to make FDR's re-instatement of the draft a campaign issue.

     Republicans put the defense of the nation first, even when the other guys are in charge.




CrappyDom -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 4:35:21 PM)

Republicans have always treasured their pocket books more than their country.  They almost betrayed us to Hitler and Japan prior to WWII, to say otherwise is to attempt to revise and falisify history.

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After the attack on Pearl Harbor, the GOP faced pressures similar to those Democrats are under now. There were admonitions not to criticize the sitting administration, and declarations, immediately after the Japanese attack, that politics had to stop at the water's edge. But conservatives had detested Franklin Roosevelt, his New Deal and his foreign policy -- the lend-lease program and the destroyer deal with Britain in particular. And the events of Dec. 7, 1941, seemed to stifle their ability to dissent.
What, then, were they to do? Taft had his answer. He gave a speech to the Executive Club of Chicago arguing that it was precisely the duty of the opposition party to ask the tough questions. He didn't give this speech five and a half months after the attack, as Daschle did (and remember, Daschle didn't even give a speech). He wasn't speaking five weeks after hostilities began, which was how long it took DeLay to blast President Clinton on the war in Kosovo. Taft delivered his speech ... on Dec. 19, 1941!


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  Two Neutrality Acts were passed in 1937 (in January and May) in response to the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War - this was not covered under the early legislation, as it applied only to conflicts between nations rather than within them. Sponsored by the isolationist Republican Senator Arthur H. Vandenberg, it tightened the restrictions on US businesses and private individuals assisting belligerents, even prohibiting travel by U.S. citizens on ships of belligerents. When Japan invaded China in July 1937, starting the Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945), President Roosevelt chose not to invoke the Neutrality Acts by declining to identify the fighting as a state of war. In so doing, he ensured that China's efforts to defend itself would not be hindered by the legislation.


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  In 1938, as the New Deal drew to a close, the Republicans made a strong comeback from near-oblivion, gaining eighty seats in the House and six in the Senate. The Republicans recaptured the governorship of Pennsylvania and locally, Wolfenden gained a sixth term with 68% of the vote over C. Ferno Hoffman, his Democratic challenger. Continuing the previous trend, however, Wolfenden fell 1,800 votes below the average vote for the Republican candidates for governor and U.S. senator, while Hoffman was 1,100 votes higher than his running mates. Attention was now shifting toward ominous developments overseas, with both Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan committing acts of aggression against their neighbors. As the international crisis worsened, with a full-scale war in Europe in September, 1939, President Roosevelt asked Congress to strengthen the military in order to deter aggression. Like most of his Republican colleagues, Wolfenden voted the isolationist line, against the Naval Expansion Act of 1938, the Lend-Lease Act, and the extension of the Selective Service in 1941. Even though the public was divided on most of the defense measures and many were hoping that the U.S. could miraculously avoid war, if these and other military defensive measures had not been adopted, the results could have been catastrophic.




WyrdRich -> RE: Iraqis favor attacks on Americans (9/28/2006 5:00:47 PM)

      Interesting.  You definitely have a faster connection and better 'puter skills than I.  The blowhard Senator doesn't surprise me at all.  I imagine one could find things said about Roosevelt as the New Deal rolled in that would make today's criticism of Bush seem fairly moderate.

      I'm just going off what I heard on the radio today but I understand the new rules for dealing with enemy combatants are passing without a filibuster.  The Dems (won't say all) are voting against it on principle but not blocking.  I'd guess the Repubs did exactly the same thing since those measures in your final quote all passed.

   Even though I'm not a registered Republican and despise the influence of the religious-right in this administration, I found your earlier comment offensive.  Let's not forget who sent the Marines into Vietnam.




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