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yaqeta -> Ownership and love (9/29/2006 4:12:43 AM)
Yes, another spin-off ducks to avoid flying shoe I know this general topic has been discussed to death, but I have a very specific question: for a Dom/me to own a slave completely, is it a fair expectation that the slave love him/her if they are able to? I'm trying to be really clear here - I'm not asking about whether anyone in particular would/would not have an M/s relationship if they were/were not in love. Another way to put my question is, if a slave is to give themselves completely to a Dom/me, should they also strive to "give their heart" by loving their owner?

DivaDuchess -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 5:17:00 AM)
Yes ... without the base emotion, there is not the level of trust necessary in this type of relationship. With love, comes trust and devotion. I cannot personally imagine My slave not loving Me ... she would have to in order to serve. I would have to love her in order to direct and own.

MasterRobert1 -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 5:35:21 AM)
Yes, in a perfect world, love and trust would both exist in a M/s relationship. However, it isn't necessary. I have known a number of healthy, functioning, vital M/s relationships that did NOT include love (respect, affection, but not love). Of the two, trust and love, trust is the one that is both necessary and vital.

MasterC46910 -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 5:44:07 AM)
I have a different take on it. I don't feel love needs to be involved. Respect...Yes Love.......No It is very possible to have a working Master/slave relationship without love. But I do feel respect has to be there in order for it to work for any length of time. It is about the Master having control and the slave having limits or parameters to live within. While each relationship is different, I personally feel the Master/slave relationship is more about a defined relationship then a love relationship.

MIslostsoul -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 6:13:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DivaDuchess Yes ... without the base emotion, there is not the level of trust necessary in this type of relationship. With love, comes trust and devotion. I cannot personally imagine My slave not loving Me ... she would have to in order to serve. I would have to love her in order to direct and own. God bless you Dear Lady [:D] I had the awful expereince of a Master telling me keep my love to myself because he didn't need what I had to offer. That he saved his intimaticies for his first girl/life mate and he could not return my love or devotion. I told him he was crazy immediately asked to be released and ran away 3 days later for a reason i will not go into. But i am so glad to hear a Dom/Domme say that it is true that you have to love and be loved by your slave or sub.

MIslostsoul -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 6:15:42 AM)
I am sorry but in any type of relationship you have to have certain amount of love evening if it is loving respect. Trust is a absolute but there has to be some Love

swtnsparkling -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 6:21:54 AM)
quote: I personally feel the Master/slave relationship is more about a defined relationship then a love relationship. I agree

toservez -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 6:38:46 AM)
I suppose there could be a long term loveless relationship in M/s situation. Certainly there are loveless relationships(mariages) in the regular world. To answer the OP question, I could not even begin to want to even think about trying not to try to give my heart to a person I would want to serve and could not trust a person who did intentially or unintentionally withold their heart. Certainly I can see if it is part time relationship and/or not long term, but an exclusive long term relationship, that simply would be a very big red flag to me personally.

Archer -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 6:40:50 AM)
Again the limits of the English Language on the subject of "Love" comes into play. With many other languages you have single words that discribe different types of love. Greek has Agape, Philos, Eros, each translate to love but the context is different. Is love of some sort nessisary for M/s to work long term? I think the question presents a false choice. I believe that with an M/s relationship over any significant length of time that a form of love naturally grows. It may grow in any of the forms mentions from both directions but I think avoiding it's growth is all but impossible long term. The Master may develope an Agape spiritual love for his slave while the slave grows an Eros love for the Master. Some form of love just naturally grows when people spend that much time together, assuming that the parties are acting honorably towards themselves and each other.

swtnsparkling -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 6:48:52 AM)
Love is some thing that's given Trust is some thing that's earned I'll choose Trust any day

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 7:07:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yaqeta Yes, another spin-off ducks to avoid flying shoe I know this general topic has been discussed to death, but I have a very specific question: for a Dom/me to own a slave completely, is it a fair expectation that the slave love him/her if they are able to? I'm trying to be really clear here - I'm not asking about whether anyone in particular would/would not have an M/s relationship if they were/were not in love. Another way to put my question is, if a slave is to give themselves completely to a Dom/me, should they also strive to "give their heart" by loving their owner? Yes.

Frank01 -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 7:16:49 AM)
It all depends on what the individuals want from the relationship.

Shalyn -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 7:17:25 AM)
I couldnt see myself being in the D/s relationship I am in now without first loving Him. We had been together for quite some time before we decided to take it to this level. So I loved and trusted him before. I just can't see serving someone who i don't love. But on another note, I am sure it is possible for some.

badkittyamy -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 7:53:25 AM)
lol you don't know how many times i try to explain 'level and types' of love to people who say i use the word love too freely. I also agree on some sort of love growing out of the relationship even if it is agape love. I don't think any type of relationship works forever without some type of love towards one another.

Frank01 -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 7:55:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: badkittyamy lol you don't know how many times i try to explain 'level and types' of love to people who say i use the word love too freely. I also agree on some sort of love growing out of the relationship even if it is agape love. I don't think any type of relationship works forever without some type of love towards one another. I think the biggest problem comes from confusing romantic love with less intense varieties. One can care, without going insane over it.

OhReallyNow -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 8:23:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yaqeta Yes, another spin-off ducks to avoid flying shoe I know this general topic has been discussed to death, but I have a very specific question: for a Dom/me to own a slave completely, is it a fair expectation that the slave love him/her if they are able to? I'm trying to be really clear here - I'm not asking about whether anyone in particular would/would not have an M/s relationship if they were/were not in love. Another way to put my question is, if a slave is to give themselves completely to a Dom/me, should they also strive to "give their heart" by loving their owner? *this slave does not 'love' her owner, nor is it required that she do so. This slave's owner does not 'love' his property either, nor does this slave require that he do so.* from a personal opinion ONLY, this slave believes that when love enteres into the relationship, that it detracts from the ownership that Master has. Again, this is only this slave's opinion, she is very aware that there are many in the same kind of dynamic that share love between themselves.

NYMaster101 -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 8:30:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yaqeta Yes, another spin-off ducks to avoid flying shoe I know this general topic has been discussed to death, but I have a very specific question: for a Dom/me to own a slave completely, is it a fair expectation that the slave love him/her if they are able to? I'm trying to be really clear here - I'm not asking about whether anyone in particular would/would not have an M/s relationship if they were/were not in love. Another way to put my question is, if a slave is to give themselves completely to a Dom/me, should they also strive to "give their heart" by loving their owner? That would be ideal, but life is not always perfect.

wild1cfl -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 8:40:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterC46910 I have a different take on it. I don't feel love needs to be involved. Respect...Yes Love.......No I have to agree here, While you can have a loving M/s relationship it is not necessary. While some feel it is, others feel it is not. I also have seen many M/s relationships that have nothing to do with love but have everything to do with respect. Many people confused the two.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 9:41:51 AM)
You are assuming that all Ds and Ms relationships are based on sexual orientations, meaning a pair of het people, a pair of gay people or a pair of lesbian people and so are assuming romantic love is ALWAYS an option. Romantic love and devotional love are different things. Romantic love is simply not possible in a relationship between people of opposing sexual orientations. Thus, requiring romantic love is simply not logical nor possible. Requiring devotional love certainly is and I'd say that, yes, devotional love is to be expected. Master Fire

MrRodgers -> RE: Ownership and love (9/29/2006 10:03:02 AM)
A SLAVES HEART The young slave often feels an oppression of her heart, aching for that man to whom she would submit and for one, someday come to serve under his ownership. She whispers to herself in the silent sanctuaries of her conscience... 'where is this master to dissolve the distance between her and those needs ?' She seeks clarity and desires a muscular support from him to feed her need to serve...she wants him to be her sustenance...and her lover.

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