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WyrdRich -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 5:49:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule If I were the Iraqi people, I would make a deal with Iran and other islamic countries and offer any defecting soldier of the invading forces four wives and a job for all five of them and refuge and a new identity and citizenship and freedom of religion in Iran or any other islamic country, provided that they defect, surrender their weapons to the Iraqi, and do as much damage to the material and supplies of their own troops as possible before they defect. Freedom of Religion in Iran??? Not to mention they would be hunted down and put in front of a firing squad when the Death Cult draws the west into invading there.

Sinergy -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 6:06:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Apologists, Blamers, Pouters and Whiners; there are plenty of other threads for your useless and counterproductive input. This one is just for ideas about how we can safely get our guys the hell out of there. I suggest we do what we did after bombing Vietnam to a lifeless moonscape. Load up the choppers and fly home. Last one out takes the flag. "Lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may." Brad Pitt, "Fight Club" Although I suspect that the response I am going to get are from the apologist whiners who rant endlessly about why we need to stay the course and keep our soldiers over there endlessly while our country goes to hell trying to pay for the fiasco. Just me, could be wrong, Sinergy

Sinergy -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 6:11:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trannysub007 True, he won't. But he wants to be king. And you don't vote for kings. How did he become king then? Arthur: "The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the sheerest shimmering semite, held aloft Excalibur, signifying by divine providence that I should be your king." (bloody) Peasant "Strange women, lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives directly from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. I mean, if I went around telling everybody I was Emperor because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they would put me away." I spent way too much of my childhood watching that movie. Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy

WyrdRich -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 6:26:11 PM)
Might get it from somebody else Sinergy, but my only reservation about just getting the hell out immediately is the message it sends; "The USA is unwilling to sacrifice and can be beaten by unreasoning barbarity." That message would inspire the Death Cult to do very foolish things. The truth is that the USA is a lazy nation, spoiled and comfortable, who would rather not work that hard. Piss us off, force us into a corner, make us get out of our comfy La-Z-Boys... Let's just say overpopulation wouldn't be a problem going into the the 22nd Century. Peace at any cost will never be my highest value.

Dtesmoac -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 6:28:30 PM)
I like the carpet bombing with choclate and split Iraq into 3 areas ideas but I'd also create a fourth area which would be called Palastine II where arabs from the West Bank and from Gazza could go and create a new state. Each Palastinian would be being provided with sufficent wealth via coupons to live for 20 years in abject luxury. Cupons can only be used to buy western non military goods.......like alcohol !!!! ... chocolate, TVs etc. Then hold multiple small scale elections though out Iraq to give people an option to officially create multiple smaller countries. i.e total fragmentation of Iraq back to a tribal system. Then divert large amount of funds to create well equipped mercenary force of multinational recruitment to act as inter state police force. Net result constant internal low level strife in the area, end for a short while to the palastinian problem, any western casualties would be "mercenary" and therefore not obtain sympathy of western voters, and as soon as Iran starts to get involved they will end up sucked into a quag mire of epic proportions that will keep them occupied for years. Any Iraqis that then decide they do not like the solution and want to become refugees can then be relocated to West Bank and Gazza. Whilst this may be relatively expensive it will be cheaper than trying to keep a large modern army designed to fight conventional wars bogged down in a low level terrorist campaign.

WyrdRich -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 6:33:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dtesmoac I like the carpet bombing with choclate and split Iraq into 3 areas ideas but I'd also create a fourth area which would be called Palastine II where arabs from the West Bank and from Gazza could go and create a new state. Each Palastinian would be being provided with sufficent wealth via coupons to live for 20 years in abject luxury. Cupons can only be used to buy western non military goods.......like alcohol !!!! ... chocolate, TVs etc. Then hold multiple small scale elections though out Iraq to give people an option to officially create multiple smaller countries. i.e total fragmentation of Iraq back to a tribal system. Then divert large amount of funds to create well equipped mercenary force of multinational recruitment to act as inter state police force. Net result constant internal low level strife in the area, end for a short while to the palastinian problem, any western casualties would be "mercenary" and therefore not obtain sympathy of western voters, and as soon as Iran starts to get involved they will end up sucked into a quag mire of epic proportions that will keep them occupied for years. Any Iraqis that then decide they do not like the solution and want to become refugees can then be relocated to West Bank and Gazza. Whilst this may be relatively expensive it will be cheaper than trying to keep a large modern army designed to fight conventional wars bogged down in a low level terrorist campaign. I like this one Dtes. It has the added benefit of eliminating any need for the mercenaries to abide by those pesky Geneva Conventions and removes the partisan BS.

popeye1250 -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 6:40:41 PM)
"Here's the keys to your new country, enjoy." Then you get our guys out and let them have their Civil War between Sunnis and Shiites. No way do I want to pay to rebuild Iraq! This is Bush's and the Big Oil Companies' war not the American People's! This is an EXON/MOBIL/SHELL/GULF/TEXACO War, let THEM pay for it. Then, we go into PAKISTAN and get al qeada and Bin Laden. Like we should have done in the* first place*! GOD, I will NEVER vote for anyone who went to YALE!!! Two DUDS in a row!

Rule -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 6:59:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Freedom of Religion in Iran??? If that is the only way to defeat the invading armies. quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Not to mention they would be hunted down and put in front of a firing squad when the Death Cult draws the west into invading there. Quite. American soldiers are slaves to be shot when they decide to take responsibility for their own life. The west will create any pretense to justify their invasion and devastation and conquest of these islamic countries.

thompsonx -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 7:03:51 PM)
I think the first thing we need to do is come to grips with why we are in Iraq. Anyone who does not understand that we are there to f**k their women and take their dope is just ignoring the facts of this (or any other war for that matter) war. There has never been a war in the history of mankind that was not fought for the prupose of monitary gain and to try to justify it on any other grounds is fatuous. Now the question is if you are not proud of being a thug then be something else and if you are proud of being a thug then stand up and say so but please do not try to justify thugary by calling it demomcratization. Now as I see it if you are proud of being a thug then we stay the course, kill em all and let god sort them out and suck all the oil out of the ground and then pave it and make it a parking lot. If you are not proud of being a thug then leave, apologize for making a mess, and pay them reparations for making thier country the most radioactive place in the world next to Chernoble. thompson

WyrdRich -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 7:10:58 PM)
Got about 50 other threads running on that subject Thom, complete with links. Stupid suggestions are welcome in here though. Damn. That alarm clock goes off at 2:30 tomorrow. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I think the first thing we need to do is come to grips with why we are in Iraq.

WyrdRich -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 7:15:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Quite. American soldiers are slaves to be shot when they decide to take responsibility for their own life. Not quite. They surrender that responsibilty when they take the oath. And slaves don't get paid nearly as well.

Sinergy -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 7:30:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Might get it from somebody else Sinergy, but my only reservation about just getting the hell out immediately is the message it sends; "The USA is unwilling to sacrifice and can be beaten by unreasoning barbarity." That message would inspire the Death Cult to do very foolish things. Hello A/all, How many soldiers have to die before the US is willing to make that same statement that you just made, that was given as a reason to keep us in Indochina for 14+ and 55,000+ deaths? There are fun jingoistic statements of Ultimate Dominance and Self-Righteousness, and there is the reality of what happens when those statements are actualized into reality. Sinergy

thompsonx -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 8:06:34 PM)
Rich: Thank you so very much for welcoming my "stupid sugestions" It would also appear that you never took the oath you refer to. It says nothing about relenquishing responsibility for ones actions. A point that was made at the Neurenberg trials. An as for being paid well perhaps you might want to read General Smedley Butlers book "War is a Racket" in which he points out just how much the soldier gets paid after the government gets done shaking him down. Like I said if you are not proud of being a thug then be something else and if you are proud of bieng a thug then stand up and say so but you cannot have it both ways. thompson

Lordandmaster -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 9:26:22 PM)
Have you read about war in Papua New Guinea? Back in the old days, when there was literally no technology beyond stone implements, men fought wars over two things: pigs and women. The men often wore bones through the nose and elaborate headdresses in order to impress each other. Peace treaties were brokered when one tribe decided they were getting their asses kicked, and, guess what, the spoils were calculated in pigs and women. Today things have changed a little. Men still fight wars over two things: pigs and women. They still wear bones through the nose and elaborate headdresses. But now they all run around in little Adidas soccer shorts. Ah, globalization. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Anyone who does not understand that we are there to f**k their women and take their dope is just ignoring the facts of this (or any other war for that matter) war.

Zensee -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 9:48:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dtesmoac Whilst this may be relatively expensive it will be cheaper than trying to keep a large modern army designed to fight conventional wars bogged down in a low level terrorist campaign. Some good ideas indeed. Especially the liquor stores - I forgot that. You catch more flies with beer. Whatever happens will be expensive. Might as well make the solution one that will save lives and bring real stability. Sorry Popeye, your it's not our mess - fuk'em attitude is so 1900's. It is your mess. One of many... Remember this little shit? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Noriega The CIA's bum boy in Panama. Major supplier of white powder capital for covert ops by the Greatest Democracy on Earth. At least 500, perhaps 3,000 Panamanians killed and 20,000 to 30,000 rendered homeless when the US went in to arrest their own little monster (seeing a patern here, Popeye?). Promises by the USA to repair the damage and make compensation never honoured. Yadda yadda.... Not taking ownership of what one has done is abandonment. Abandonment is not a sloution. Certainly not a constructive one.0

trannysub007 -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/2/2006 9:55:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trannysub007 True, he won't. But he wants to be king. And you don't vote for kings. How did he become king then? Arthur: "The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the sheerest shimmering semite, held aloft Excalibur, signifying by divine providence that I should be your king." (bloody) Peasant "Strange women, lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives directly from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. I mean, if I went around telling everybody I was Emperor because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they would put me away." I spent way too much of my childhood watching that movie. Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy Love it; still watch it once or twice a month!

UtopianRanger -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/3/2006 5:45:05 AM)
I was scouring the news this early morning and happened to come across this by way of link. Are they getting ready to broaden the conflict while the mainstream media has us caught up with paige? Or might Katrina Vanden Heuvel and the limosiene liberals be beating the drum too early? Maybe it's been posted already? http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061009/lindorff - R

bills944 -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/3/2006 6:25:46 AM)
He was in Canada for two years so if they go to Canada now the Bush presidency will be over and then with a president who is more understanding, he can just pardoned them just like Bush is going to do for Lewis Libby [Scooter] I think there is a treaty but the legal process takes a long time, there's a backlog, and besides the CNN story said they weren't going to do anything to him anyways.

bills944 -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/3/2006 7:03:35 AM)
Friends, In case you missed it, Bob Woodward's interview by Mike Wallace on his new book "State of Denial". It was awesome. You need to see or read it. Bush is in denial. He out of control. So it not just us who think this. Here is the link: Below the link is the transcript. http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/01/woodwards-60-minutes-interview-on-state-of-denial/ Woodward’s 60 Minutes Interview on ‘State of Denial’

WyrdRich -> RE: Iraq: For Solutions only (10/3/2006 1:55:27 PM)
Lighten up Thom, my own baby-step suggestion in the OP was roundly criticized and I didn't get all pissy about it. Nice of you to start in making judgements about me. Actually, I did take the oath, served during the Reagan and Bush I administrations and had my boots on the ground in a couple of places. Two of my little brothers are presently serving. Oh, and welcome to the boards. This conversation has been going a while, you might want to take a little time to brush up on where we've been lately.

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