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MJ2006 -> An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 4:29:09 PM)

Open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert
Current mood: [image]http://x.myspace.com/images/blog/moods/pissed.gif[/image] pissed off

How dare you get on television and say that it's tough for parents to protect their kids and monitor who they talk to on the internet?
All you are TRYING POORLY to do is deflect attention away from the real issue. That issue being that you Republican lawmakers are more immoral in the bedroom than you accuse Democrats of being.
I have no doubt whatsoever, that if you admitted the Republicans have a problem, and did your best to kick ass and take down names, and come totally clean to the American people, you'd garner many more votes.
As it is, I predict you will lose one if not both houses and this country will once again go back to fairness and equity of life.
Oh I know, I know, the gas prices are dropping to make the Republicans look good, like they did something about the economy. And I have no doubt that the Foley matter is dirt dug up by the Democrats. I'm not saying the Democrats are perfect either, but damn, this yellow journalism and snipping has got to stop. The Republican party is supposed to be the party of monitoring morality in America, but you can't stand there and legislate morality when you have child predators in your own midst.
Both sides of the isle have to clean house, empty all skeletons out of the closets, expose all criminal antics and give the American people a clear choice of candidates who are ALL above board in all their personal, business and political dealings.
ONLY THEN will any of you be able to "throw stones."
ONLY THEN can you stand up there and pose the Republican party as the "moral compass" of our country.
I could also tell from your interview on CNN, you were lying through your squinty eyes. You knew about the Foley matter LONG ago. Your eyes, your choice of words and body language all said you lied.
With the invention of the internet and instant media, you can no longer assume you can "spin a story" and get away with it.
So stop trying.



popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 4:35:52 PM)

MJ, I agree but the Democrats are no better certainly in the "sexual morals" dept.
Let's throw ALL of their asses out this November and vote for The Constitution Party.



juliaoceania -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 4:40:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

MJ, I agree but the Democrats are no better certainly in the "sexual morals" dept.
Let's throw ALL of their asses out this November and vote for The Constitution Party.


But the democrats do not claim to be morally superior... and there are many pervs here that belong to the constitution party... so they must not be morally superior either



popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 4:46:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

MJ, I agree but the Democrats are no better certainly in the "sexual morals" dept.
Let's throw ALL of their asses out this November and vote for The Constitution Party.


But the democrats do not claim to be morally superior... and there are many pervs here that belong to the constitution party... so they must not be morally superior either


Julia, so you're for the status quo? (How Conservative of you.)
And just who are all those "pervs" in the Constitution Party?
On Edit; If we keep voting for Republicans and Democrats we'll just keep getting more of the same!



MizSuz -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 7:29:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

On Edit; If we keep voting for Republicans and Democrats we'll just keep getting more of the same!



I've been saying a variant of this for two decades:

As long as america believes that voting for anything other than republican or democrat is a 'throw away vote' then the only system we will have is the two party system.  Which is to say....more of the same.

I think most of us agree that our current system sucks.  I can't for the life of me understand why we all turn out and vote for it, though.

I'm reminded of another saying "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different out-come."



thompsonx -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 10:09:12 PM)

I would rather vote for what I want and not get it than to vote for what I don't want just to be on the winning team...but as long as the voting public continues to vote for demopubs or republicrats as if it were a football game then we will continue to have what we have.
thompson



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 10:15:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
I would rather vote for what I want and not get it than to vote for what I don't want just to be on the winning team...
thompson
I don't believe we would be quite as far down the national and international road to hell if democrats were running the country, but you stay with your morals and conscience.   I believe it is important to speak up and get your voice heard, but until such time as you've convinced 30% of the country that you are a better alternative than dems or republicans, all you are doing is supporting the status quo with your non vote.   M



subfever -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 10:47:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MizSuz

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

On Edit; If we keep voting for Republicans and Democrats we'll just keep getting more of the same!



I've been saying a variant of this for two decades:

As long as america believes that voting for anything other than republican or democrat is a 'throw away vote' then the only system we will have is the two party system. 


Absolutely.

Nevertheless, I have lost count of how many of my peers have advocated the "wasted vote" and "the lesser of two evils" voting theories.

What is the primary motivation of people who fail to vote for who/what they truly believe in?  



DomKen -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 11:25:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

MJ, I agree but the Democrats are no better certainly in the "sexual morals" dept.
Let's throw ALL of their asses out this November and vote for The Constitution Party.

How about we not all vote for a bunch of theocrats. Roy Moore, who was courted to be the party's 2004 presidential candidate, and Herb Titus, the party's VP candidate in 1996, wrote the Constitution Restoration Act which would have required that local, state and federal officials ackowledge "God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government" or be impeached.




Zensee -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 11:39:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Let's throw ALL of their asses out this November and vote for The Constitution Party.


This Constitution Party?  http://www.constitutionparty.com/
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BlkTallFullfig -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 11:42:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subfever
What is the primary motivation of people who fail to vote for who/what they truly believe in? 
One less idiot in the white house.  One less war in Iraq, thousands of US/Iraqi lives, trillions of dollars in US wealth wouldn't have been needlessly squandered for starters...  But I could be wrong.  

Yup, call me a sell out, but I think of it in Maslow's hierarchy terms:  if I have no food on my table, I'm not going to care about the greater good, or my spiritual well-being.   Yes I would love it if we had a better overall system, but in a flawed system, I will take the lesser of two evils, thank you very much.    M



DomKen -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 11:47:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zensee

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Let's throw ALL of their asses out this November and vote for The Constitution Party.


This Constitution Party?  http://www.constitutionparty.com/
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Yeah those are the wackos. Note this part of the page:
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Join the Constitution Party in its work to restore our government to its Constitutional limits and our law to its Biblical foundations

I think I'll not be voting for any party that thinks Leviticus should be the law of the land.



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/2/2006 11:55:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Yeah those are the wackos. Note this part of the page:
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Join the Constitution Party in its work to restore our government to its Constitutional limits and our law to its Biblical foundations

I think I'll not be voting for any party that thinks Leviticus should be the law of the land.
Oh dear...  Thanks Ken for the link, as I'm one for whom Leviticus wouldn't work either; or at least that's what last boy kept informing me of as I made him horny, therefore apparently putting him on a path to hell for wanting sex, lol... [&:] M



Zensee -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 1:46:12 AM)

From the FAQ on the Constitution Party website -  http://www.constitutionparty.com/faqs.php
Gotta love how 2 and 3 contradict #1. Actually #1 contradicts #1. How could a bible based theocracy be anything other than conservative in the USA? Are these people stupid or just bad liars?

Q: Are you liberal or conservative? A: Neither. We are constitutionalist, which means that we support limited government under the Constitution. We also support the principles of Christian-based morality upon which our American republic and civilization have been built. We therefore oppose not only efforts to undermine constitutional government, but also the ongoing campaign to strip America of moral virtue.
Q: What is your stand on abortion? A: We are 100% opposed to abortion, with no loopholes or exceptions.

Q: How does the Constitution Party differ from the Libertarian Party? A: A brief summary of the foundational differences between the Constitution Party and other political parties can be found in this information from the Constitution Party of Utah website http://www.cputah.org/html/about_us.html#Differences Both parties agree on the need for a federal government that operates strictly within constitutional limits. But we differ with the Libertarian Party on a number of issues, such as open borders and legalized drugs, both of which we strongly oppose. Most importantly, the Constitution Party is the only truly pro-life political party in the United States, whereas the Libertarian Party does not believe the federal government should protect the lives of the innocent unborn. 0



Strutinan -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 2:11:26 AM)

While some democrats are corrupt vile bastards <cough>Lieberman<cough>, all republicans are theocratic corporatist hypocrites who care nothing for the people they suppossedly represent and the "jesus" they praise in every public address.  Go read the sermon on the mount, and tell me a single thing in it that any republical has done in the last 6 years that does not go against it.

That said, for the most part I don't vote democrat.  While I would rather be neutered slowly with a rusty spoon than support a republican, or thier hard-line theocratic offshoots like the CONstitution Party, I take the time to carefully evaluate each candidate and then vote for the best one.  These days, in California at least, that seems to mean voting mostly for democrats and Peace&Freedom candidates.



MizSuz -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 4:26:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subfever

What is the primary motivation of people who fail to vote for who/what they truly believe in?  



Speaking for myself (who actually did this in the last election)...fear.  I was fearful of another term with the homosimian and so I voted for the person I thought most likely to beat him.  I believe this is usually the reasoning behind such.  It didn't do me any good, either, because the fear that was generated by the machine to keep the cogs turning out-feared me; once again proving to me that fear is an illusion, but a powerful one, and a good deal of the masses are lemmings.

Until we go back to universal paper ballots, at least as backup, it's all moot anyway.  The elections will go to the highest bidder. 

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked



DomKen -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 6:35:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zensee

From the FAQ on the Constitution Party website -  http://www.constitutionparty.com/faqs.php
Gotta love how 2 and 3 contradict #1. Actually #1 contradicts #1. How could a bible based theocracy be anything other than conservative in the USA? Are these people stupid or just bad liars?

I'm going with bad liars.



thompsonx -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 8:05:12 AM)

How does one look into a garbage pail and tell the good looking maggots from the ugly ones?  Pretty much the same way one tells the difference between demopubs and republicrats, as I see it they are all maggots. 
I have read the constitution and I can find no mention of god as the bassis for our republic.  If one would like to gain a little understanding of the how and why of the U.S. constitution try reading "The Federalist Papers"  This is a collection of "letters to the editor" written by John Jay,James Madison and Alexander Hamilton trying to drum up support for the adoption of the constitution.  This is an easy read as one can start anywhere and there is no letter longer than a few pages.  If one takes time to read them all, one is struck with the concept that what our "founding fathers" had in mind for our republic is somewhat different than what most of us presume it to be.
thompson



CrappyDom -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 8:50:49 AM)

What a bunch of whiners.  "throw them all out" "our current system sucks" "the two parties are the same" etc.

What the fuck did any of you do in the last six months politically?  Did you donate time or money to a candidate?  Did you walk a precinct or man a phone bank?

You want decent candidates, then get off your fat asses and go support one.  The reason we get shitty candidates is because we have shitty lazy voters who wait till the last minute to pop their heads up, they read a couple articles the week before and go and vote, if they even bother voting.

We get shitty candidates because people want to believe you can lower taxes and fight a war or that government is the solution to every problem.  There ARE candidates out there who don't try and feed us pablum but WE in the collective sense don't vote for them.

Over the last six months I have donated money, volunteered, spoke to people, attended rallies, held signs, held house parties to raise money and awareness.  What have YOU done?  I don't say that to toot my own horn, it is simply a challenge to do more.

I got to shake hands with a man I have never even seen in person before, Wesley Clark.  I worked for him in '04 and spent days calling people in every early primary.  He may, and I hope he does, run in 2008 and I will again work for him.  That is how it works, it is a long term battle and you don't always win today but the goal is to win more and more.

So whatever party you support, get out there and help the best of them get elected to local office, then state and finally federal.  Don't expect success the first year, politics is a long term game.



Strutinan -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 9:32:07 AM)

What have I done in the past 6 months?  Easy:
* Showed Bullworth as in intro to a movie night, continuing with some stuff from YouTube recorded on the floor of congress in the past 6 years, at the local college.  Repeatedly.
* Sat on a street corner with my cane, a "BushCo is Unamerican" sign, lots of reference materials, and even more pamphlets...all comers welcome for debate.
* Net-drove for moveon.org, and savetheinternet (this is when you open up the huge folder of contacts we all have, invite them to a chat room for discussing a particular topic, then moderate the discussion over the course of several hours).
* Wrote so many friend of the court briefs and letters to my representatives (as well as the reps from other districts and states) that I know I am on every single "subversive" watch-list there is by now ;)

About the only thing I haven't done is walk the streets (bad knee) or manned a phone bank (transportation issues, its THAT knee mores the pity).

And don't even get me started on this Mitt Romney joke that wants to be the 2008 prez candidate.  I've researched him, he's not the kind of guy I want as local dog-catcher, let alone in charge of the "make it all glow" button!



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