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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 8:37:38 PM

nefertari

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To address the issue of him not getting the treatment he says he needed- That's the reality of the military. He made a decision, raised his right hand, knowing there was no way out for 8 years. It's the consequence of his decision, and he should have been a man and stood by his commitment, or found a way within the system to get out.

Bold added by me.

Why is this the reality of the military? Doesn't anyone else see anything wrong with this? The VA desperately needs funding and Congress does nothing. If these men and women are willing to lay their lives on the line for our country, it's citizens are obligated to care for them when they come home. Period. That it isn't happening is reprehensible.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 8:50:56 PM

Aine

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nefertari

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ORIGINAL: andal

To address the issue of him not getting the treatment he says he needed- That's the reality of the military. He made a decision, raised his right hand, knowing there was no way out for 8 years. It's the consequence of his decision, and he should have been a man and stood by his commitment, or found a way within the system to get out.

Bold added by me.

Why is this the reality of the military? Doesn't anyone else see anything wrong with this? The VA desperately needs funding and Congress does nothing. If these men and women are willing to lay their lives on the line for our country, it's citizens are obligated to care for them when they come home. Period. That it isn't happening is reprehensible.

This is another point that my boyfriend and I discussed last night.

People generally know kind of what they are getting into when they join the military. But do they know EXACTLY what they are getting into until they get there and go through it? Absolutely not. My boyfriend made a really good point. People see the Navy commercials....they think that is what it's all about. (insert snortlaff here) Newp. Do they go through channels to get out? A lot of the time they do. Just because they are whiney about people telling them what to do. And that's pretty much exactly as he put it.

But sometimes it is easier to get out and sometimes it's HELL trying to get out. I have a friend that broke his BACK. He had crushed vertabrae and it took him approximately a year to get out, going through the proper channels. His C.O. was a dick and wouldn't let him go to get a second opinion on his back and ended up fighting with is superiors in order to get the treatment he needed.

Much like the kid in the article probably had to go through. Who are we to say that he did or didn't get what he needed?

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 10:37:27 PM

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Because of Iraq - there is a shortage. When we get out of Iraq we'll end up having a surplus and the army will go around kicking ppl out and the standards will raise = )

Outstanding analogy!
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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 11:43:37 PM

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you are correct. Our duty is to the constitution as well as the President. As I recall I remember congress voting in support of military action in Iraq, Even Senator Kerry voted for it. That seems to me to be constitutional. Do you understand how the Uniform Code of Military Justice works? He went AWOL. He is guilty. And should be punished accordingly.
In response to your purposes of the military. Those are side missions, we use the military because of the resources it has. However the military's true purpose, the reason we train every day is to fight a war. We train to fight. If we can do humanitarian missions great. but there is not our purpose for existing.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 12:12:50 AM

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Is the U.S. hurting for soldiers to go to Iraq? My son served a year in Afghanastian but my neices hubby has never been over there. My son was warned he could be sent again but so far there has been no rumors of it happening in fact he has been accepted into the CID div. and has applied to Officers schools. The war does change them to as my nice son who had always been kind to others now likes to be mean and in fact if it had been mentioned that there had been some stick banging of personal during his stay I would not in the least be completely surprised to hear of it. I do hope this stupid silly war is ending, There is no more sense in us or other counteries losing men over a war we will never win as this is a religous war. Has been going on for centuries and will continues on until time ends or all of one side is dead.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 4:37:27 AM

Aine

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I thought this war was about oil...

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 4:51:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aine

I thought this war was about oil...

This war was never about oil, just like the idea that oil companies are making big profits off oil and is gouging the public. Just a little research will show you the truth instead of believing what is spouted off by the spin doctors. I never take the news media seriously. I use to have to work with them and never trust what they say.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 5:28:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54

Yes this is a bad thing. I am in the US Navy. Every Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman knows that when he signs the dotted line and raises his hand he may go to war. He swears to protect this country from all enemies foreign and domestic. and to obey all orders from officers appointed over him.

You dont like the war? tough. the military is VOLUNTARY, meaning YOU Signed up. no one forced you to. Did he honestly think that he could join the army and not have to go to war?

I've done a tour in the gulf, including time spent on land in Iraq. I would go back in a heartbeat, in fact I just requested orders for land tour in Iraq.

Our Commander in Chief, regardless of our opinion of him is still that, our Commander in Chief. When he says Iraq is the enemy. then Iraq is the enemy. If he says go to Iraq and fight. we go and fight. that's our job. that's what we signed up for.

the Armed Forces have one purpose, to fight and win wars. Anyone who thinks otherwise has major problems. If you join, expect to fight.

Going AWOL is illegal and a crime, and he should be sentenced accordingly at Courts-martial. That means confinement at Ft Leavenworth.

Thank you.   I am retired Army.   I turned my son in when he deserted to the Philipines and was there for about a year. I paid about $1000 to get him out of that country in fines and medical costs that he encountered while there.   He was escorted out of the country by a doctor, his squad leader and a military policeman.

The military put him in a hospital, determined he had some major mental problems associated with his service and eventually medically retired him.   When I saw him over the Labor Day weekend he was a walking zombie with the drugs he is on. But if they had determined that he had deserted, I would have supported the military in any punishment they would have metered out for him.

If a person doesn't agree with the policies of going to war, there are legal measures that they can take. Desertion is not one of them.   If he had a mental problem, then he should have turned himself in for treatment. That is easy and no commander in his right mind would prevent a soldier from seeking medical help.   If he has a problem the unit commanderwould never want him to go back.   He could cause even more casualties.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 5:42:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: gentledom099

Do you respect Nazi soldiers? Do you respect Iraqi soldiers? Do you respect the ex soldiers of the USSR? Do you respect North Korean soldiers? Do you respect Chinese soldiers? Do you respect Libyan soldiers? Do you respect IRA soldiers? Do you respect Israeli soldiers?

Soldiers are soldiers. They kill, no questions asked. Why is it that US citizens defend their own killers and condem everyone elses? I am Australian. There are Ausrtalian forces in Afganistan and Iraq. I can't respect those who kill not knowing why or worse, for reasons they know to be immoral.

p.s. the world is sick of constantly being under threat from the US, especially war criminals like Bush.

I have served shoulder to shoulder with some of those on your list and many others. Soldiers are people. Most are patriotic to some extent and believe in what their government aims are (not necessarily with how they are getting there).

I believe that most soldiers from about any country respect the soldiers of any other country. Just not the aims of their governments.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 10:50:05 AM

knees2you

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This is another point that my boyfriend and I discussed last night.

People generally know kind of what they are getting into when they join the military. But do they know EXACTLY what they are getting into until they get there and go through it? Absolutely not. My boyfriend made a really good point. People see the Navy commercials....they think that is what it's all about. (insert snortlaff here) Newp. Do they go through channels to get out? A lot of the time they do. Just because they are whiney about people telling them what to do. And that's pretty much exactly as he put it.

But sometimes it is easier to get out and sometimes it's HELL trying to get out. I have a friend that broke his BACK. He had crushed vertabrae and it took him approximately a year to get out, going through the proper channels. His C.O. was a dick and wouldn't let him go to get a second opinion on his back and ended up fighting with is superiors in order to get the treatment he needed.

Much like the kid in the article probably had to go through. Who are we to say that he did or didn't get what he needed?

I joined the Military in 1980. {The Army}
When they canceled my M.O.S.
Military job discription.
After all that hassle, I just got out of it and
never really looked back!

What a shame alot of our soilders go thru!
This Awol's Mother had said that the
Doctors Healed his physical wounds,
but not his mental!

Yes and there are Soilders over their
that are killing themselves. Left and right!

Ant, & LilBecque

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 10:56:35 AM

LordODiscipline

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Yes and there are Soilders over their
that are killing themselves. Left and right!

There was a spate of suicides in Iraq back in 2003 - it totaled about 25 for the year in country; but, I do not believe that there has been this increased incidence since then -

Do you have any data to demonstrate this at all as a current thing... or, is this just something that you 'believe to be true'?

~J

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 5:52:13 PM

patina

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The media wants us to believe it is about oil, the Government wants us to believe it is about Terrorists, the Iranians, Arabians, Iraques, and Afghanastans, and all others who actually live there know and believe it is a religious war. The general public believe it is a crock of shit!!!

In my humble opinion.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 5:55:27 PM

Aine

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ORIGINAL: MasterC46910

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ORIGINAL: Aine

I thought this war was about oil...

This war was never about oil, just like the idea that oil companies are making big profits off oil and is gouging the public. Just a little research will show you the truth instead of believing what is spouted off by the spin doctors. I never take the news media seriously. I use to have to work with them and never trust what they say.

I was being facecious

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Honey, you obviously missed the "want to be used as a toilet fetish" thread or "where do I get instructions on setting my sub on fire" thread. LOL

Thank you, DelRay for that one.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 5:59:24 PM

Aine

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

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Yes and there are Soilders over their
that are killing themselves. Left and right!

There was a spate of suicides in Iraq back in 2003 - it totaled about 25 for the year in country; but, I do not believe that there has been this increased incidence since then -

Do you have any data to demonstrate this at all as a current thing... or, is this just something that you 'believe to be true'?

~J

Current or not, I find the fact that they were killing themselves disturbing.

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Honey, you obviously missed the "want to be used as a toilet fetish" thread or "where do I get instructions on setting my sub on fire" thread. LOL

Thank you, DelRay for that one.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 5:59:43 PM

MasterC46910

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ORIGINAL: Aine

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterC46910

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ORIGINAL: Aine

I thought this war was about oil...

This war was never about oil, just like the idea that oil companies are making big profits off oil and is gouging the public. Just a little research will show you the truth instead of believing what is spouted off by the spin doctors. I never take the news media seriously. I use to have to work with them and never trust what they say.

I was being facecious

My humor jeans was in the washer at the time...Sorry

Got them back on now...LOL

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 6:41:44 PM

patina

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ORIGINAL: Aine

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterC46910

ORIGINAL: Aine

quote:

I thought this war was about oil...

This war was never about oil, just like the idea that oil companies are making big profits off oil and is gouging the public. Just a little research will show you the truth instead of believing what is spouted off by the spin doctors. I never take the news media seriously. I use to have to work with them and never trust what they say.

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I was being facecious

sorry, I am being relalistic, I do not like the so called man my son is now, nor the worry that he may have to go fight in the shitty war again.

Patina.

I don't mean to be bitchy to u though.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 7:36:34 PM

Aine

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ORIGINAL: patina

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ORIGINAL: Aine

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ORIGINAL: MasterC46910

ORIGINAL: Aine

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I thought this war was about oil...

This war was never about oil, just like the idea that oil companies are making big profits off oil and is gouging the public. Just a little research will show you the truth instead of believing what is spouted off by the spin doctors. I never take the news media seriously. I use to have to work with them and never trust what they say.

quote:

I was being facecious

sorry, I am being relalistic, I do not like the so called man my son is now, nor the worry that he may have to go fight in the shitty war again.

Patina.

I don't mean to be bitchy to u though.

Understandably. I don't like it any more than the next person. But none of what I said had been directed at you or what you had said. Being sarcastic about the reasoning behind a very stupid war is far from making a joke of it imo. No harm, no foul.

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Honey, you obviously missed the "want to be used as a toilet fetish" thread or "where do I get instructions on setting my sub on fire" thread. LOL

Thank you, DelRay for that one.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 8:31:18 PM

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if you ask my opinion, the whole damned war is ILLEGAL!!! it is a gross and shameful act of self service on the part of our political elite. There is no way in hell I would go serve in Iraq. NO WAY IN HELL!!!

Ms' m

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 10:28:56 PM

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There was a spate of suicides in Iraq back in 2003 - it totaled about 25 for the year in country; but, I do not believe that there has been this increased incidence since then -

Do you have any data to demonstrate this at all as a current thing... or, is this just something that you 'believe to be true'?

I read it on yahoo news, and Msn news.
I believe You can find the true number on the net.

Ant, & LilBecque

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/5/2006 10:36:15 PM

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In its findings on suicide, the study confirmed data previously released by the army, namely that the rate among soldiers in Iraq in 2003 was higher than for the army generally but lower than that of US men of a similar age range

This is to bad.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/26iraq.htm

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