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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/4/2006 4:03:38 PM

MisPandora

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

mons is entitled to her opinion. I think some practices ARE sick. Let's say someone is a zoophile or a pedophile. Should this be considered acceptable, because we do not want to step on toes? Since when did stating your opinion become such a problem on a forum like this one?

I admire anyone who can stand for what they believe, whether it is popular to do so or not.

But mons wasn't talking about those two subjects. She was labeling something that some folks in the SM lifestyle feel is very normal, sadistic and kinky as "sick." There's a big difference.

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/4/2006 5:06:48 PM

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Sometimes a feeling cannot be squared away with logic.

True, but sometimes it can so why not try?

Ok the cunt stitch. The other day, when I happened upon that thread. I wanted to post "Jesus H Christ, will you people stop at nothing for a thrill? This shit it sick". And then I think, but why isnt it sick to get my ass beaten so badly that I have welts and bruises...I mean....I see the hypocrisy in it. But somehow I just done see taking a whipping as nearly as "extreme" as tailoring a cunt shut or even a portion of it shut, or smearing feces on my body. I dont really have a clear answer for myself on why this is sicker than what I like to do. Healthwise, I doubt its a good idea and it probably risks all kinds of possibilities, but even if we hypothetically remove that possibility, I still see it as sick or at least "sicker" than the stuff that I have engaged in. The fact that its consentual, doesn't cleanse something for me. Im not saying this is right or wrong, but if I view something as over the edge, its still over the edge for me, even if its not being forced upon someone. Again, the why I view my stuff as just semi-sick and someone else's as sicker.... I think there is a certain line where kink turns into barbarism. But who is to say where that line is for each person? Not me. Not Jane Doe, not the man in the moon. we have to define it for ourselves, then if we are to look for the logic in it, what can we come up with? I guess not much except to say that certain things are just kinky or deviant, and others are simply gruesome, to some people of course. Im sure we could all make a list of the things we've heard of and put some on the 'this is ok" side and others on the "this is sick" side. Few would admit this I suspect however. I personally cant deal with the cunt tailoring. Why? Because I have a belief that our orifices are open for a reason. I think there are certain practices, ie, the stitching of bodily holes, the probing of the ureathra etc, where we are just completely disrespecting our bodies and the health that we are blessed with. I mean what if someone consentually wants their eye lids sewn shut? Is that sick? Maybe they enjoy it. But damn, thats still sick to me.. I think it boils down to each person having certain lines they won't cross. For example, someone who is into very mild spankings might take a look at someone's ass after a severe beating and shake their heads thinking its just crazy. Then someone like me wouldnt flinch over that, but would flinch over something like sewing a mouth shut for the night. To take an example out of DeSades "120 days of sadom", there is a laundry list of horrors in it that was never expounded on. (If anyone is sickened by gore, please stop here) The one that scarred me for life was the idea of pulling out someone's teeth, then replacing each one of them with a red hot nail being hammered in to replace each extracted tooth. If anyone squicked on that, what would they say if both people were consenting to it? Its sick to me. Maybe sick to you, sick to ladyjane, but fuck if theres someone out there who might engage in it and call it "dental play". Would it cause infection and great pain ? Yes, but hey, we're all "RACKies" now. lol. I dont know if Im making my point very well. Its all about a personal line in the sand. And while one person maybe open-minded about something, they could consider the next thing just too over the line, entering into "sickdom".

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To me, what I do myself is sick

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I've been there. I am no longer there. I've gone through a process and discarded what I was fed by society for most of my life. That was 'my' process. It worked for me. It may work for others. We don't have to buy in to what's being sold to us as a bill of goods.

As far as me wanting to be comfortable with myself. I havent been doing this for some 20 years. I can count on one hand the number of men I have been submissive to and been in relationships/situations with. And the hardest time I questioned myself had nothing to do with enduring something physical on the order of what we were discussing. Yes I would like to see my own kinks as not sick. I dont know if I ever will, but I wonder what is wrong with me. Why did I turn out like this. I dont curse it. I really dont. Im glad Im built this way. But I cant say that I dont think its twisted and that I dont question it. Im not struggling with it nearly as much as I used to, but Im still not perfect with it yet. I still see it as twisted and perverted-- something out of the norm, but it is, isnt it?

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/4/2006 11:34:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aine

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ORIGINAL: susie

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ORIGINAL: mons

greetings

now as a dominant woman i do not find things sick i had read here on this fourm. first i want to work backward your angry and i am surpise at you emotional angry to me. if your one of those 18 years young woman i am not telling you what to do it is my choice to say what i think is not right. i have a son who is an adult but would i want him in this lifsltye no but if he were i would let him know what ot look out for sick sadist people yes i said sick. now we come to the part of the clit totrue you do thsi and enjoy it instead of being mad at me you just need to say i love this part of my submissive lifestyle no need to tell me who i am to tell anyone what to do. do you feel gulit for you pleasure you like? i never told anyone what to do but putting hotsauce or anything that would burn you there is crazy after a time you will lose feeling there yes you will lose it. as a dominant woman and a concern human being i will express my point of veiw as much as i will and when i wish too. it is my business to be conren what i wish to place it. this is a lifstlye where many things happen but i do not need you to tell me whom i can tell things too, now as for the sick mind who would out hot sauce on you i still think it is sick srry bita i have my way of saying what i wish it may be you bit of pleasure but no need to attack me i am on the rigth side i think many things are ok and there are so many i can not count. but some things i feeol are not good it must hurt likr hell bita but i am her to agree or disagree.

now that said i only said that was a sick think for a man to do to a woman i did not call you sick your from the post you written are a nice woman i have nothing agnist you do not attack me for things you like many will not agree or not but to me it is something so painful an d wrong i can not think of the pain you must feel it is your thing bita i am not saying your wrong who ever turn you on to this was wrong

take care and ve well bita no hard feeling

mons

It is not often that I feel moved to post to these forums but on this occassion I felt the need to. This post was on another thread but I felt it needed clarifying.

It seems from this mons, that you think people who do things that you do not like or approve of are sick. There are many things discussed here that I don't like, scat, watersports and ageplay being 3 of them. Do I think people that engage in those practices are sick? No. If it makes them happy fine and if they are not involving me, so what. I too have had a Dominant use Tiger Balm on my clitoris during play. Did I enjoy it? yes. Was he sick to do this? Of course not, it is part of normal BDSM play for many people.

I don't think mons was saying that there are plain old sick people out there. Hell she even said she liked clit torture. I think that perhaps the "sick" she was referring to in reference to her adult son would be the asshats and the abusers and the *real* sickos, those that do severely illegal things. (Do not get me started on the semantics on LEGAL, people)

I think that she's talking about those people that DO maliciously abuse WITHOUT consent. Those that RAPE, not play-rape consentually. Etc, etc.

Way to take things out of context instead of thinking about it. What she was actually responding to was someone who DOES think that other people's kink is sick. If this is the response that I think it is to a certain thread. Which is a whole other can 'o worms.

My current Master enjoys needle play which often is very painful, in fact he once sewed my labia shut. It was an experience we both enjoyed and would do again when the time is right. Am I sick to let him do that? Nope. Is he sick? No again. He is a Dominant with many years experience who cares for and protects his subs but also enjoys all sorts of extreme play with them.

Everyone here has their own idea of what they consider to be acceptable to them in what they do. However, because I don't like something that someone else does, does not make me right and them wrong, nor does it make them sick to do it. If they are not forcing me to take part then it is up to them what they do and what makes them happy. Please remember that these forums are read by new people here and by some outsiders and to brand a fairly normal practice sick may give totally the wrong impression.

Re-read what I posted above so I don't have to repeat myself.

Oh yeah, and since when was it ok to hijack someone's post, most likely without their permission and opening it (even more) to the forum public for "clarification"?

Why not email MONS and ask MONS what she meant?

I know that mons is a little hard to understand sometime....but we all are. But the person to ask for clarification would BE THE OP of that particular post.

For shame.

If you read the post again what mons actually was saying was that the practice of using an irritant on the clitoris is sick and the person who turned bita on to that is sick.

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 12:19:16 AM

MistressSassy66

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Everyone is indeed entitled to their opinion and to speak it.

The problem I have is when someone insists their opinion is the right one.

Saying clit torture is sick is different than saying the guy that did that to you is sick.
Clit torture is sick.... is an opinion.
The guy who did that is sick .....is passing judgement and name calling.Neither of which have a place here,IMHO

BTW...I dont think clit torture is sick.I'm not into Scat,but I'm going to tell someone who does they are sick,I might say it can make you sick.But they are adults they can do what they want.

I personally have the Live and Let Live and the Live Free or Die way of thinking of things.
As long as your not hurting Me or My family I dont care what you do.

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 2:35:39 AM

mons

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greeting susei

you have it wrong i did not say all things people do are not sick i had one thing in mind it was the llifting th hood of a submissive clitors and putting hot hot sauce on it and closes it back if i made some enemy here then so be it i thoufth and still think that was horrible oh yes there are many thing i find not tasteful but i pick that on thing susuie and that was it i think as a season submissive you have been thougth this and enjoy it but susie i am speaking of very new submissive would you think it was ok just to do this i speaking of the very new and some are coming in at 18 which is just a baby, i did not want everyone to get mad it is my opinon and as a domme who has know many things i would never do this to many one who is new no never what the age i think after a time this area would become desnstive and have no feeling that again is my opinion .

there are many thing that are not right but who am i to say. but yesterday they found a dugeon in another part of northern ca. i see many of the new submissive looking for a thrill with a domme they are masichoist and they want the hole thing well this man kill one woman and two maybe missing. i wrote this for on reason you and i and all woman must be careful of whom we choose to go with it is sad that someone can pretend they are a dome and beat a woman to death this is what happen.

i would never tried to tell anyonr of you how to live your life but as someone who seen fakes and people who are not doms hurt others make me mad susie no you do not have to take what i say but i give advice your safe with your dom and i happy for you but 10 other may not be thank you for writing i gotten an insight on what you feel and i respect this so respect my vien point as well
take care susie

mons

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 4:42:45 AM

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greetings now that my post was hijack to a thread i am surpise at what bita felt that this need to be done.

now when i wrote that post i was speaking of a man who wrote that to a person questio how can someone do torture more he worte and i quote " lift up the hood of her clit and put hot sausce under it and then close it" i found this to be sick by the man i never said anyone sub was sick oh i think i did say it to bita she became very upset. i was not speaking of her, when i wrote this if you look back i never called anyone in this group sick i have been a domme for some years now i seen and heard many thing but not once have i call anyone is this group sick oh but i said some thing are sick not th people. bita has taken this to a new level why and what for i do not know, in this place i have found i can write withpout being attack by anyone until now. if i see something that i think is wrong i will say something that is my right i did not call bita sick i did say whom ever taught her that was sick this was to an answer from her to me now i am on a thread where many of the people now thnk i dislike them which is not true st all so al of you who wrote and said things such as who are you to judge me no folks i never would judge you i am a dominant women i alway havemy turn with a slave or submissivi so let this be the last i hoope all with read this and know a hijack thread is a chicken way of fighting a fight she could not fight alone

be well and know i meant one man statement not all of you who have more then kind to me
mons

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 9:28:36 AM

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I did not highjack this thread, Mons. You wrote on another thread which got pulled, I assume by the moderators, and made several assumptions about 'me' which are wrong. I responded here because someone else put your words here otherwise I would never have seen them. Your words about me are simply wrong. Should I have let them stand as truth? You have said twice now that I am angry. I am not. I attack not you, but your idea. I attack your perceptions of what is 'sick' and more importantly 'who' is sick. You never bothered to answer any of my questions to you. I do believe, though, that this is pointless because you have your mind set and are determined to view me as you desire instead of how I really am so I won't bring this up again and you won't have to be uncomfortable on the forums.

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 9:36:33 AM

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Question. Why are Dom's being singled out. There has never been a bad Domme??

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 10:42:01 AM

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illegal practises such as pedo and beastiality can't quite compare to someone thinking people are sick if they want tiger balm put on their pussy, or the men and women who put it there.

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

mons is entitled to her opinion. I think some practices ARE sick. Let's say someone is a zoophile or a pedophile. Should this be considered acceptable, because we do not want to step on toes? Since when did stating your opinion become such a problem on a forum like this one?

I admire anyone who can stand for what they believe, whether it is popular to do so or not.

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 12:43:42 PM

WhiteRadiance

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For god's sake people.. I picked two things that NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY DEFEND to make a friggin point.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What is so horrible about saying they feel something is sick if SHE feels it is? TO HER it IS sick. It doesn't mean it necessarily is!

godddamn-lighten up.

to cut and paste off another thread and create a shitstorm is bullshit too!

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 1:06:05 PM

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I could defend beastiality, cause I am argumentative but it's against the TOS to go there so I won't lol.

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 2:24:07 PM

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Mons, please do not take this the wrong way, I think you are a smart woman with some very valid opinions, but sometimes I just have trouble reading them..
I know enough about dyslexia and related disorders to know they have nothing to do with intelligence..

But just as a suggestion, think of writing as you were speaking.. When you write something, read it out loud to yourself again, just as if you were talking to another person, and when you take a pause or a breath, put a full stop... forget commas, forget all other punctuation, just read it as you would speak it. full stop when you pause..

As for the topic, some hot sauce on the clit isn't as bad as a teaspoon of hot english mustard up the nostrils.. I may be male, but trust me on that one...

Iskander...

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 2:29:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

For god's sake people.. I picked two things that NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY DEFEND to make a friggin point.

If a dog humps your leg (it's been known to happen) does that imply consent to sex?!
Or perhaps the dog in question should be arrested for rape?!
(never say never)

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 3:09:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

mons is entitled to her opinion. I think some practices ARE sick. Let's say someone is a zoophile or a pedophile. Should this be considered acceptable, because we do not want to step on toes? Since when did stating your opinion become such a problem on a forum like this one?

You gave two examples which are illegal in this country. I agree with you that they are sick, but I would work to prevent it from happening because it is both illegal and non-consensual for the animal or child.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 3:14:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

For god's sake people.. I picked two things that NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY DEFEND to make a friggin point.

Actually, the Republican party leaders are busily trying to defend one of them as we speak.

So your statement that "No one could possibly defend" is wrong based simply on what we are learning from Faux news.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 4:25:57 PM

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I share the OP's general thoughts....

I ask thou...What would a person consider sick.. or to express this in a less derogatory manner.. what would you consider as an unhealthy activity?

Myself... I don't consider in general any activity as inherently unhealthy except for a very few exceptions. IE Suicide.

But, I do consider a person as unhealthy when they knowing engage in activities that WILL and DOES cause HARM to their Well-Being. This Harm can be physical, emotional, intellectual and even spiritual. I would also note that Harm could be rather subject in of itself. IE... some one could consider a\tatoo as a Harmful effect upon their person while another may not consider that as such. But, if you consider tatooing as harmful to yourself and you engage in this activity... then I would consider you unhealthy. It's not the activity.. but the willingness of a person to Harm themselves by making choices that bring this about.

For me... It' is a moral principle to take actions that maintain and enhance my well-being not to harm it.

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 4:55:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

For god's sake people.. I picked two things that NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY DEFEND to make a friggin point.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What is so horrible about saying they feel something is sick if SHE feels it is? TO HER it IS sick. It doesn't mean it necessarily is!

godddamn-lighten up.

to cut and paste off another thread and create a shitstorm is bullshit too!

I agree with this as well. I also tried to make the same point earlier on in the thread. I have to give kudos however to Celeste, who used mon's statement to open up discussion rather than to put mon's down or criticize her.

Off of that topic, I have noticed the same thing around here and it sticks in my craw like nothing else. As soon as someone calls something sick, people jump on them for voicing it. I mean, who cares what someone thinks to such a point where we attempt to censor them and 'train' them to keep it to themselves because they might....god forbid..... offend.... or .....worse yet.....judge someone's else's kink. I think bdmsers need to toughen up in general and begin exhibiting the behavior of the secure people that they claim to be. I mean....When you sit in these forums and talk about doing whacky shit.....and we do do some whacky shit....expect there to be reactions.....expect not all of them to be positive. I have never seen such a continuing campaign to silence people who may not agree with what someone does. It happens in all other walks of life. Why wouldnt it happen here? I mean....in everyone's mind there is a point where something crosses the line. I tried to put some stuff out there for topic, but no one bothered to contribute to the line of discussion I was pursuing here....but I tried to say that everyone....even hardcore bdsmers have 'limits'..There is a line that gets crossed where it leaves "kinkdom" and enters "sickdom". That line is different for all of us. But I find it amazing that no one is willing to admit that it exists for them. It's like the 'blue line of silence' for fuck's sake.

lmaoo.

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 5:45:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

mons is entitled to her opinion. I think some practices ARE sick. Let's say someone is a zoophile or a pedophile. Should this be considered acceptable, because we do not want to step on toes? Since when did stating your opinion become such a problem on a forum like this one?

You gave two examples which are illegal in this country. I agree with you that they are sick, but I would work to prevent it from happening because it is both illegal and non-consensual for the animal or child.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

I would agree with the non-consentuality. However, the fact that an act is illegal is irrelevent to the point. Half of what goes on in wiitwd is illegal.

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 5:50:22 PM

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I would agree with the non-consentuality. However, the fact that an act is illegal is irrelevent to the point. Half of what goes on in wiitwd is illegal.

I am aware of wiitwd practices frequently being illegal. However, my objections to most of it stop at the idea of it being between consenting adults.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: Reply to mons - sick practices - 10/5/2006 5:51:10 PM

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I know I have some sick perverted kinks, and add my Daddy's to the mix and we are probably kinkier than the vast majority of people.. I know most people do not understand my infatuation with being spanked or the desire to dress like a cheerleader and talk like a bubblehead .... but to each their own... I am a sicko and my sex life squicks people....

, but I do not tell everyone about it

I guess the whole idea is that we come to sites like this to be more open about who we are, and yes, all of us are squicked out about something.. that is why sometimes it is not important that I think someone else's kink is not ok... I do not have to voice that opinion, I can keep it to myself, the world will not end. There are several kinks I do not get, have no interest in doing, and skip threads relating to them.. but that does not mean these people that enjoy it need me telling them they are "sick" when they talk about what they like...We already know some people think we are sick and deviant

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