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swtnsparkling -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 4:03:17 PM)
you rely Far too much on youtube

sissifytoserve -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 4:05:54 PM)
That's your opinion. I think You Tube is a terrific multi-media resource. Which is wwhy Google is about to pay a billion dollars for it to try and control its content. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5414432.stm BTW..the OP was not a You Tube resource/link. mmmmK? Let me guess...youd rather rely on FOX news or The AEI?

herfacechair -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 4:08:58 PM)
meatcleaver: That which doesn't have evidence to prove it exists can be refuted without evidence. That is not what I asked you. AGAIN… Prior to your seeing my first post, you had no evidence of my existence. Does it follow that I did not exist prior to your seeing my first post? meatcleaver: The 'dodgey dossier' as the evidence is now known is widely recognized as a load of bollocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodgey_Dossier quote: The claims contained in the "September" and "Dodgy" Dossiers were called into question when weapons of mass destruction were not found in Iraq, This goes back to my earlier question, one that you’ve not answered. WMD not sighted does not make this a case of WMD “not” existing. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182932,00.html quote: HANNITY: Some people say they were destroyed. Did we still have them leading up to the invasion? SADA: No, he had a very good organization that Saddam was created to show some of them but to continue to hide. HANNITY: So he had them. SADA: Yes. HANNITY: Where were they? And were they moved and where? SADA: Well, up to the year 2002, 2002, in summer, they were in Iraq. And after that, when Saddam realized that the inspectors are coming on the first of November and the Americans are coming, so he took the advantage of a natural disaster happened in Syria, a dam was broken. So he — he announced to the world that he is going to make an air bridge... HANNITY: You know for a fact he moved these weapons to Syria? SADA: Yes. HANNITY: How do you know that? SADA: I know it because I have got the captains of the Iraqi airway that were my friends, and they told me these weapons of mass destruction had been moved to Syria. meatcleaver: Also you just have to look at Colin Powel in the UN when he was explaining the evidence that supported the assertion Saddam had WMDs. He was so obviously embarrassed by the pathetic evidence he had to convince the world with, it was cringe worthy. No he wasn’t. I don’t know how familiar you are with operations security. But you can’t let the enemy know what your intelligence capabilities are. Those images were purposely “dumbed” down. Had we failed to do that, hostile intelligence agencies would have been able to determine what our actual capabilities were - and developed ways to frustrate and defeat them. Colin Powel’s testimony to the UN also supported the things that President Clinton said in his speech when he launched operation Desert Fox back in 1998. The consistency in Iraqi activities between this speech and Colin Powel’s are VERY similar. meatcleaver: Chirac also said WMD was the stuff of fantasies and wouldn't be found and none have been found. Schroeder more or less said the same but more diplomatically. Notice how BOTH those clowns objected to our going into Iraq? Their objections were made for political reasons. France, Germany, China and Russia stood to lose lucrative financial deals in any war toppling Saddam Hussein. See oil for food scandal. God forbid we go in their and uncover their treachery. But their denial of WMD existence does not settle the argument in favor of the assumption that Saddam “did not” have WMD. See Retired General Georges Sada’s interview above.

herfacechair -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 4:11:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve quote: ORIGINAL: herfacechair AGAIN, Is the above statement a factual statement or not? Its what someone else says is "facts". It could be a fabrication. I tend to think it is...since this administration has lied about many other things. I am not asking you for what you think others say. Nor am I asking you to guess. I want you to give me a DEFINITE answer. Yes? or No? Also, provide me with specific "lies" that the administration gave. Hopefully, you will give me something new, instead of what I've constantly seen and rebutted.

NavyDDG54 -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 4:15:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinkee Ron, of course You are correct. Clinton was never impeached. No U.S. President has ever been impeached. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton both went through impeachment proceedings, but were acquitted. pinkee Actually they were both impeached..but not convicted, the house impeaches and the senate convicts.

sissifytoserve -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 4:16:51 PM)
I already told...you..i think its Crap and doesn't hold water...just like the 9-11 commission is a fraud and a whitewash. Facts? OH!! You mean those "Facts" you parroted from Fox News and the Right wing American Enterprise Institute? Not likely. I know exactly where they stand on both Politics and their views of the war. 100% behind the administration. In fact... FOX founder and ex FOX president Roger Aiels... was the guy who gave RUSH LIMBAUGh his TV show back in the Early 90s. Nahhhhhh...Not biased at all.

herfacechair -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 4:59:44 PM)
sissifytoserve: I already told...you..i think its Crap and doesn't hold water...just like the 9-11 commission is a fraud and a whitewash. In that case, you are wrong. That paragraph that I used contained factual statements that were substantiated by multiple sources. You think it is crap. Does not surprise me. Your posts indicate that you think that any facts presented to you that does not support your world view as “crap”. sissifytoserve: Facts? OH!! You mean those "Facts" you parroted from Fox News and the Right wing American Enterprise Institute? Not likely. Again, you are wrong. You may not like where the information is coming from, but the information that I provided you - using those sources - ARE factual. sissifytoserve: I know exactly where they stand on both Politics and their views of the war. 100% behind the administration. That is why I’ve seen some of their commentators criticise the president, right? Because they are “100%” behind the administration? You can’t even get your tap dancing straight, let alone your argument. sissifytoserve: In fact... FOX founder and ex FOX president Roger Aiels... was the guy who gave RUSH LIMBAUGh his TV show back in the Early 90s. (Red Herring Statement) This has nothing to do with the question that I asked you. Whether the raw information that I pulled from these sources is factual or not. Try to get back on topic instead of employing shoot and move tactics. sissifytoserve: Nahhhhhh...Not biased at all. Again, your opinion about their bias does not answer the question that I gave you. So far, you’ve dodged the questions I’ve sent your way. You’ve refused to answer them directly. You blatantly dismiss the factual information that I’ve given you. You’ve claimed that “they are crap” and that Fox is biased. Yet you’ve FAILED to provide me with evidence that what I’ve quoted from those two sources are other than factual. Hate to break this out to you, but the multiple books I’ve read substantiated these sources.

sissifytoserve -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:08:05 PM)
"AEI's foreign policy "scholars" are closely identified with the most unilateralist and pro-Likud elements in the Bush administration. The institute serves as the hub of a tightly knit network of neo-conservative activists and groups, including the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the Center for Security Policy (CSP), the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). Since even before the 9/11 attacks, the AEI and its associates have pushed a series of radical foreign policy proposals to: align U.S. policy in the Middle East with the Likud; cut ties with traditional U.S. allies such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan; oppose negotiations with North Korea; provide direct security guarantees to Taiwan; and treat China as a strategic threat." http://www.alternet.org/story/15275/ 100% BIASED and FULLY behind Bush's war agenda.

herfacechair -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:17:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve "AEI's foreign policy "scholars" are closely identified with the most unilateralist and pro-Likud elements in the Bush administration. The institute serves as the hub of a tightly knit network of neo-conservative activists and groups, including the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the Center for Security Policy (CSP), the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). Since even before the 9/11 attacks, the AEI and its associates have pushed a series of radical foreign policy proposals to: align U.S. policy in the Middle East with the Likud; cut ties with traditional U.S. allies such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan; oppose negotiations with North Korea; provide direct security guarantees to Taiwan; and treat China as a strategic threat." http://www.alternet.org/story/15275/ 100% BIASED and FULLY behind Bush's war agenda. Don't see anything about Fox News in there. [8\|] Shoot and move again. But now that you've attacked the messenger again, I am going to repeat my question to you. I don't want to know what you THINK is the case. Give me a YES or a NO: http://www.theamericanenterprise.org/issues/articleID.18837/article_detail.asp The 9/11 Commission Report indicates that a senior Iraqi intelligence officer met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan in late 1994 or early 1995 and that contacts continued after bin Laden relocated in Afghanistan. Iraq harbored senior members of a terrorist network led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an al-Qaeda associate. CIA Director George Tenet told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (in a 10/7/02 letter), “We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade.” Senator Hillary Clinton stated on October 10, 2002 that Saddam “has given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.” The Clinton administration tied Iraq to al-Qaeda back in 1998, arguing that Saddam Hussein had provided technical assistance in the construction of an al-Qaeda chemical plant in Sudan… Is this, or is this not, a factual statement?

sissifytoserve -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:21:07 PM)
Once again.....Its total crap as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe 90+ percent of what comes out of this administations mouth. You CAN'T trust them to tell the truth. Much less the Neo-conservative radicals at the AEI. They have an agenda and most certainly want to distort the facts to suit that agenda. That agenda is to DOMINATE the middle east. They've been planning this for YEARS. But as PNAC states...they needed a "Pearl Harbor event" to get that agenda started. 9-11 was perfect for them.

herfacechair -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:22:19 PM)
http://www.alternet.org/about/ II. The Challenge We Address The right-wing media machine: Virtually everyone who has a stake in our political future agrees that when compared to the radical conservatives and the religious fundamentalists, the progressive sector lacks media capacity. The scope of conservative media is vast, including Fox News, Sinclair, major right-wing talk radio market penetration, many newspapers, a fast-growing religious broadcasting system, and sophisticated use of the Internet and new technologies. The ability of the right-wing media apparatus to dominate public discourse is at the expense of liberal and progressive values and represents a fundamental transformation in American politics. This is what we are fighting against. The negative impact of right-wing media: Over the past two decades conservative media has had a huge impact, and the results are disconcerting. First, most conservative media uses an ideological propaganda model that results in a more ignorant audience. One recent study showed that 80% of Fox viewers got the facts all wrong about the war in Iraq. Not only did they believe that Saddam Hussein had a chemical arsenal, they thought U.S. troops had actually discovered it and they believed the 9/11 Commission had beyond a doubt linked Hussein with al-Qaeda. Only 23% of the NPR/PBS audience held these misconceptions, and the percentage was even lower among those who get their news from the Internet. Building the progressive echo chamber: The top-down delivery model of right-wing rhetoric (e.g. "death tax," "culture of life") traces a path directly from the White House and conservative think tanks, to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and a whole host of conservative talk shows. These messages are repeated and further reinforced on the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal and other newspapers, creating a right wing echo chamber. AlterNet is working hard with many partners to build the progressive echo chamber that will fight back. I'll let the reader decide on that one. [8\|]

sissifytoserve -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:24:19 PM)
Im neither Republican or Democrat. I'm a constitutionalist. Something the Bush administration is destroying.

herfacechair -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:31:06 PM)
sissifytoserve: Once again.....Its total crap as far as I'm concerned. This proves that you are doing nothing but pulling $#!T out of your @$$. You can’t even give me a straight Yes or No answer. sissifytoserve: I don'ty believe 90+ percent of what comes out of this administations mouth. This coming from someone that dismisses cold hard facts as “total crap”. I know your leftist position on this. You have; however, FAILED to back your claims with FACTS. sissifytoserve: You CAN'T trust them to tell the truth. Hate to break this out to you, but what the administration has stated has been backed by multiple information sources. sissifytoserve: Much less the Neo-conservative radicals AEI. They have an agenda and most certainly want to distort the facts to suit that agenda. Then you should be able to give me a straight Yes or No answer to this… http://www.theamericanenterprise.org/issues/articleID.18837/article_detail.asp The 9/11 Commission Report indicates that a senior Iraqi intelligence officer met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan in late 1994 or early 1995 and that contacts continued after bin Laden relocated in Afghanistan. Iraq harbored senior members of a terrorist network led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an al-Qaeda associate. CIA Director George Tenet told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (in a 10/7/02 letter), “We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade.” Senator Hillary Clinton stated on October 10, 2002 that Saddam “has given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.” The Clinton administration tied Iraq to al-Qaeda back in 1998, arguing that Saddam Hussein had provided technical assistance in the construction of an al-Qaeda chemical plant in Sudan… Is this, or is this not, a factual statement? That information is black and white. AGAIN, don’t tell me what you THINK is the case. Just answer me with a YES or NO.

sissifytoserve -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:32:29 PM)
American Enterprise Institute Founded in 1943 and located in Washington, D.C., the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is the Godfather of Washington neo-conservative lobby groups - America's richest, largest and most influential think tank. It is also regarded as one of the Bush administration's closest allies. It has the CEOs of both pharmaceutical giant Merck and of The Dow Chemcial Company, as well as the Vice President of Exxon, among the many corporate figures on its Board of Trustees. MORE: http://www.gmwatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=256&page=A Uh huh....says it alll. $$$$$$$$

herfacechair -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:33:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve Im neither Republican or Democrat. I'm a constitutionalist. Something the Bush administration is destroying. Your posts don't show you as a constitutionalist. And I am willing to prove my point. PROVE to me that the administration is "destroying" the constitution.

herfacechair -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:35:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve American Enterprise Institute Founded in 1943 and located in Washington, D.C., the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is the Godfather of Washington neo-conservative lobby groups - America's richest, largest and most influential think tank. It is also regarded as one of the Bush administration's closest allies. It has the CEOs of both pharmaceutical giant Merck and of The Dow Chemcial Company, as well as the Vice President of Exxon, among the many corporate figures on its Board of Trustees. MORE: http://www.gmwatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=256&page=A Uh huh....says it alll. $$$$$$$$ That does not dismiss the facts that I presented to you from that source. Again... http://www.theamericanenterprise.org/issues/articleID.18837/article_detail.asp The 9/11 Commission Report indicates that a senior Iraqi intelligence officer met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan in late 1994 or early 1995 and that contacts continued after bin Laden relocated in Afghanistan. Iraq harbored senior members of a terrorist network led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an al-Qaeda associate. CIA Director George Tenet told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (in a 10/7/02 letter), “We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade.” Senator Hillary Clinton stated on October 10, 2002 that Saddam “has given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.” The Clinton administration tied Iraq to al-Qaeda back in 1998, arguing that Saddam Hussein had provided technical assistance in the construction of an al-Qaeda chemical plant in Sudan… Is this, or is this not, a factual statement? YES or NO?

herfacechair -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:37:07 PM)
Here, I will make it more simple for you... http://www.theamericanenterprise.org/issues/articleID.18837/article_detail.asp Senator Hillary Clinton stated on October 10, 2002 that Saddam “has given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.” Is this statement a fact, or is it a lie?

sissifytoserve -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:43:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herfacechair Your posts don't show you as a constitutionalist. And I am willing to prove my point. PROVE to me that the administration is "destroying" the constitution. Oh my god.......you are making this too easy. The Bush Administration is totally RAPING and evicerating the constitution... Hes making even Clinton seem Conservative by comparrison........ Tommy Franks: Martial Law Will Replace Constitution After Next Terror Attack Newsmax Friday, Nov. 21, 2003 Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government. Franks, who successfully led the U.S. military operation to liberate Iraq under President Bush, expressed his worries in an extensive interview he gave to the men's lifestyle magazine Cigar Aficionado. ** DOMESTIC SECURITY AND ENHANCEMENT ACT The second Patriot Act is much worse than the first...and they didn't want you to know about It until after they had sprung an attack. Click here to read the full document that John Ashcroft publicly stated didn't exist. PDF: http://www.prisonplanet.com/patriot2-hi.pdf PATRIOT ACT II ANALYSIS http://www.infowars.com/print_patriotact2_analysis.htm S.89 UNIVERSAL NATIONAL SERVICE ACT OF 2003 Requires that all young persons in the United States perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security. http://www.prisonplanet.com/universal_national_service.html S 22: JUSTICE ENHANCEMENT AND DOMESTIC SECURITY ACT OF 2003 Total nightmare takeover bill, an almost identical clone of Patriot Act II introduced at the same time. PDF: http://www.prisonplanet.com/s22.pdf H.R. 4757: OUR LADY OF PEACE ACT Bill will requires states to turn over volumes of records to the FBI for use with Instantcheck. Includes any state record that would show if a person is prohibited from owning a gun. This will include mental health records. PDF: http://www.prisonplanet.com/hr4757.pdf Americans Target of Massive Domestic Spying Network Sue Bushell, CIO 27/06/2006 10:41:56 In the US that would make the best custodian of telephone records the telephony companies. It is not yet clear how well those principles have been observed by the US government under its massive domestic surveillance program, yet American's privacy has been put under serious threat nevertheless. USA Today revealed last month that the National Security Agency (NSA) has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by "best custodians" AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth. USA Today claimed the program reached into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans - few of them suspected of any crime. While the NSA has apparently not been listening to or recording conversations, it has been using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, according to USA Today sources. ** All About NSA's and AT&T's Big Brother Machine, the Narus 6400 by bewert Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 10:47:24 PM PDT Earlier today we found out that the EFF had sued AT&T over their secret work with the NSA on surveillance of millions of US citizens without wiretaps. We learned that paragraph 65 of this complaint shows EFF is trying to turn it into a nationwide Class Action suit covering all current and former customers (any after 9/2001) of AT&T. And we learned that a retired AT&T technician had stepped forward and disclosed the installation of secret NSA spy equipment in the San Francisco trunk facility. As well as the belief that similar equipment is in place in Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego. Read more here: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/8/14724/28476 * US plans massive data sweep The Christian Science Monitor \| February 9 2006 By Mark Clayton The US government is developing a massive computer system that can collect huge amounts of data and, by linking far-flung information from blogs and e-mail to government records and intelligence reports, search for patterns of terrorist activity. The system - parts of which are operational, parts of which are still under development - is already credited with helping to foil some plots. It is the federal government's latest attempt to use broad data-collection and powerful analysis in the fight against terrorism. But by delving deeply into the digital minutiae of American life, the program is also raising concerns that the government is intruding too deeply into citizens' privacy. * Bush acknowledges secret order for domestic spying 31 minutes ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Saturday acknowledged he signed a secret order after the September 11, 2001, attacks to allow the surveillance of people in the United States. In a rare live radio address, Bush defended the practice as a "vital tool" in defending the United States against another such attack. The presidential order was first reported in The New York Times on Friday. The report said the order allowed the National Security Agency to track international telephone calls and e-mails of hundreds of people without the court approval normally required for domestic spying. I could keep going......**

sissifytoserve -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:47:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herfacechair Here, I will make it more simple for you... http://www.theamericanenterprise.org/issues/articleID.18837/article_detail.asp Senator Hillary Clinton stated on October 10, 2002 that Saddam “has given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.” Is this statement a fact, or is it a lie? Hillary is a shill...and completely behind the Neo-Con agenda. If she wants to save her job in Politics she has to be for the war. I have NO idea what Saddam did with Al quaeda....but i will not trust a politician to tell me the truth about it. I do know that Bin Laden did NOT like Saddam as he wasn't "ISLAMIC" enough. I DO know OUR GOVERNMENT "AIDED TERRORIST SADDAM" by supplying him wwith WMDs in the Early 80s.

WhipTheHip -> RE: Clinton, Monica and 9/11 (10/8/2006 5:51:23 PM)
My biggest problem with Bush is the Jose Padilla case, Bush's refusal to give the captured suspects a fair trial. We asked Peru to do this for Sarah Berenson. We are punishing people for their sympathies and who they are, not what they have done. I also think civil detentions for sex offenders are unconstitutional.

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