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RE: What is considered "outside" BDSM? - 10/12/2006 12:13:51 AM   
Iskander


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ORIGINAL: LASub4Real
But what if you were walking down your street and you heard some terrible yelping, and when you looked, there was some guy snapping of a puppies legs with a bolt cutter one by one? Would you call the Humane Society or mind your own business?

What if you witnessed someone being molested? Would you calmly chalk it up to intergenerational kink? Or like most people, would you try and report it?

The problem is that everything is not relative... some things are, some things clearly aren't


Aside from these things falling outside of consentual bdsm, I wouldn't be just reporting it.. I'd be ripping the guy a new ahole... And have done...
A friend of a friend came round to my house once looking for the mutual friend, he had a pup with him and told it to stay in the yard, but the pup followed him up on the porch, the guy turned around a kicked the poor thing off the porch, it went flying 2 meters, he looked at me and say, "i'm still training him", I didn't say anything I just kicked him in the guts so he went flying off the porch said "hurts doesn't it?" and then went inside to report him...

Anyway.. your examples are pretty irrelevant to the topic..

Iskander...


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RE: What is considered "outside" BDSM? - 10/12/2006 4:41:23 AM   
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But what if you were walking down your street and you heard some terrible yelping, and when you looked, there was some guy snapping of a puppies legs with a bolt cutter one by one? Would you call the Humane Society or mind your own business?

What if you witnessed someone being molested? Would you calmly chalk it up to intergenerational kink? Or like most people, would you try and report it?

The problem is that everything is not relative... some things are, some things clearly aren't

Since you have decided to take my comments and place them outside the area of BDSM, D/s, and M/s that they were obviously meant to be applied to, I am not going to answer this question. Now, if you want to start another thread totally unrealated to this one about child abuse, animal cruelty, etc, etc, then by all means do so, and I will be quite happy to answer that which you have stated here.

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RE: What is considered "outside" BDSM? - 10/12/2006 4:51:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Iskander

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ORIGINAL: LASub4Real
But what if you were walking down your street and you heard some terrible yelping, and when you looked, there was some guy snapping of a puppies legs with a bolt cutter one by one? Would you call the Humane Society or mind your own business?

What if you witnessed someone being molested? Would you calmly chalk it up to intergenerational kink? Or like most people, would you try and report it?

The problem is that everything is not relative... some things are, some things clearly aren't


Aside from these things falling outside of consentual bdsm, I wouldn't be just reporting it.. I'd be ripping the guy a new ahole... And have done...
A friend of a friend came round to my house once looking for the mutual friend, he had a pup with him and told it to stay in the yard, but the pup followed him up on the porch, the guy turned around a kicked the poor thing off the porch, it went flying 2 meters, he looked at me and say, "i'm still training him", I didn't say anything I just kicked him in the guts so he went flying off the porch said "hurts doesn't it?" and then went inside to report him...

Anyway.. your examples are pretty irrelevant to the topic..

Iskander...



Iskander - I love you, just for that kick in the guts of a guy who clearly only understands that approach. What an unmitigated scumbag he must have been. So glad he was a friend of a friend, and not a direct friend! I'd like to think I would have done the same, but lacking any self control in such a situation once the line is crossed, (I'd have likely killed him), I'd have had to refrain from doing what should have been done in the first place.
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RE: What is considered "outside" BDSM? - 10/12/2006 7:24:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LASub4Real


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ORIGINAL: Tikkiee

Hmmm, well...I am of the firm mind that what others do is their business, not mine. What I may see as abuse, could just be play in the eyes of others. Who am I to say differently?


But what if you were walking down your street and you heard some terrible yelping, and when you looked, there was some guy snapping of a puppies legs with a bolt cutter one by one? Would you call the Humane Society or mind your own business?

What if you witnessed someone being molested? Would you calmly chalk it up to intergenerational kink? Or like most people, would you try and report it?

The problem is that everything is not relative... some things are, some things clearly aren't


When you take examples from outside the specified box of D/s and BDSM (the box specified by the poster and adhered to by most of the posters), then you're right...not everything IS relative.

Outside the D/s and BDSM box, this is why my "surely this isn't consensual" instincts kicked in when I came out of a bar in Wisconsin one night and a guy was slapping his girlfriend around and she was crying and bloody and pleading "No...please No" and I stopped him.  Luckily, I was right.  I just as easily could have been wrong.  This could've been a couple whose kink...no matter how wrong they were/are in involving the non-consenting public in their display...involved getting off on this P. D. "A".

But that is outside the box specified by the OP.  Time and place and context are relative in that regard.

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RE: What is considered "outside" BDSM? - 10/12/2006 7:35:35 AM   
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CD- My question remains- is anything outside the spectrum?   

I will defend any activity a seasoned/stable couple wants to engage in- in a safe and sane manner..  But not all who engage in, or read about this shit are safe nor sane. I think a bit of caution and discretion is a good thing.  What I am referring to is not at all "policing".

 
This is where we disagree then.  Caution and discretion in how you handle your involvement in this life is fine.  Telling others what your ideas of safety are, is fine.  Expecting them to go along with it by setting up those policies in any venue outside your club or your home IS policing.
I tend to go along with the idea that if a club has set up their guidelines for play within their club, it was arrived at by a consensus of opinion.  I don't have to agree with that opinion and can exercise my disagreement by not attending that club.  If I meet other people whose kinks are not mine, I can either avoid them or we can deal in a mutually-agreed upon realm wherein we establish boundaries of what we will do and won't do when spending time together.  
Part of it with me is an aversion to nanny-ist behavior.  I don't want others saving me from myself.  I took on that responsibility when I became an adult.     
 
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I say what I think, and I know my opinions are not right for everyone. They are merley opinions.   
 
Taking D/s and BDSM up a notch (keeping it pure) would improve it (to me). It seems to have morphed into an "Extreme Alternative Lifestyle".. that condones all behavior.  Especially in the public venue.  What people do in the privacy of their homes is one thing.. but I honestly avoid certain groups and parties because (as I stated before) they are so desperate for people to come, they let anyone in.  :) 

And avoidance is what you should do (see my note above).  As for taking it up a notch...open up your own club then and do so.  Nothing is stopping you and I am sure you can find those who like your ideas and will be clamoring to join. 
 
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I guess I am a snob.  lol  (But I am a kinky one so give me a break)
 
(I know I am not as eloquent as many of you and I seem to have trouble communicating my thoughts but hell, I try!)
 

edited to add:  where did you get the idea I ever would try to stop a scene?  LMAO 
 

Actually, what I meant by my statement about you stopping a scene was not a reference to you doing so physically...but your adherence to the idea that someone should by not allowing the scene to happen in the first place because it is...in your opinion...outside the BDSM and/or D/s realm. 

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RE: What is considered "outside" BDSM? - 10/12/2006 7:48:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LASub4Real


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tikkiee

Hmmm, well...I am of the firm mind that what others do is their business, not mine. What I may see as abuse, could just be play in the eyes of others. Who am I to say differently?


But what if you were walking down your street and you heard some terrible yelping, and when you looked, there was some guy snapping of a puppies legs with a bolt cutter one by one? Would you call the Humane Society or mind your own business?

What if you witnessed someone being molested? Would you calmly chalk it up to intergenerational kink? Or like most people, would you try and report it?

The problem is that everything is not relative... some things are, some things clearly aren't


Hello A/all,

From a professional perspective, if an adult is molesting or hurting a child or animal which cannot (according to the law) defend itself, I would consider myself honor and legally bound to intervene.

If an adult is molesting or hurting another adult, I would ask the one being hurt if they needed my help and do what was necessary to help them if they said yes, assuming there were witnesses present.

The first thing I would do is call 911 on my cell phone.

Then, the tactic I would use would be to get the person doing the molesting's attention off the person they are attacking, and on me.

If they decided to attack me, I would be legally entitled to defend myself.  Laws in other states may vary, I speak specifically of California.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: What is considered "outside" BDSM? - 10/16/2006 7:09:59 PM   
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I like you. :) 


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ORIGINAL: Iskander

quote:

ORIGINAL: LASub4Real
But what if you were walking down your street and you heard some terrible yelping, and when you looked, there was some guy snapping of a puppies legs with a bolt cutter one by one? Would you call the Humane Society or mind your own business?

What if you witnessed someone being molested? Would you calmly chalk it up to intergenerational kink? Or like most people, would you try and report it?

The problem is that everything is not relative... some things are, some things clearly aren't


Aside from these things falling outside of consentual bdsm, I wouldn't be just reporting it.. I'd be ripping the guy a new ahole... And have done...
A friend of a friend came round to my house once looking for the mutual friend, he had a pup with him and told it to stay in the yard, but the pup followed him up on the porch, the guy turned around a kicked the poor thing off the porch, it went flying 2 meters, he looked at me and say, "i'm still training him", I didn't say anything I just kicked him in the guts so he went flying off the porch said "hurts doesn't it?" and then went inside to report him...

Anyway.. your examples are pretty irrelevant to the topic..

Iskander...




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