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RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? - 10/15/2006 9:30:44 AM

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Don't back talk the omnipotent..................LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

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RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? - 10/15/2006 9:37:52 AM

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The pursuit of endorphins is not spiritual.

Says who? This is a big planet, and there are a LOT of spiritual paths which require in-depth exploration and control of the body and its responses. Not all of these are ascetic, either. Some of them require endorphin floods to achieve the higher planes of consciousness.

I wouldn't be quick to impose JudeoChristian dualisms on neurological science. Especially if you haven't done enough anthropological research to know how religious experience varies across the human spectrum.

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Spiritual is the opposite of physical. Spiritual is the opposite of endorphins and satisfying the cravings of the archipallium. "Spiritual" comes from the word spirit. "Spirit" as opposed to "body." If you believe satisfying bodily cravings is spiritual then you are in effect creating your own Humpty Dumpty, Alice In Wonderland definition of the word. You can call a "hydrogen bomb" a "peacekeeper," and you can call "black," "white." This is a free country. You can call real "slavery," "freedom."

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RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? - 10/15/2006 9:48:17 AM

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Spiritual is the opposite of physical.

Only to you, and other children of Zoroaster. Not everyone is a member of one of these Middle Eastern Mystery cults. To some of us, these dualisms have no particular meaning and do NOT need to be imposed on every aspect of human knowledge and human experience.

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Spiritual is the opposite of endorphins and satisfying the cravings of the archipallium. "Spiritual" comes from the word spirit. "Spirit" as opposed to "body."

All you're doing is repeating yourself. Your religious upbringing has created your very limited notion of what the "spirit" is and how it exists in opposition to, or separate from the body. It is the same ideology that caused men in the Renaissance to wear giant collars which separated their divine heads from their profane bodies.

The fact that these religious ideals are bleeding into and tainting your understanding of a scientific principle is not surprising. But the experience of other human beings across a wide spectrum is being ignored.

Not all human experience of religious ecstasy or truth is divided into these simple, cruel Middle Eastern dichotomies. Asceticism and denial are not considered the only means of achieving spiritual purity or strength in many other traditions.

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RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? - 10/15/2006 9:57:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip
>> Spiritual is the opposite of physical.
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> Only to you, and other children of Zoroaster.

I follow American English dictionaries and the etymology (sp?) of word "spiritual"

If you want other people to understand you, you have to use the generally accepted
meanings of words. There is no absolute right or wrong when it comes to semantics.
You can define "black" to mean "white." But if you do, few people will understand
what you say, and few will enjoy communication with you.

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RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? - 10/15/2006 10:52:36 AM

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I follow American English dictionaries and the etymology (sp?) of word "spiritual".

And then you impose a considerable freight of personal opinion on the use and interpretation of that word, and carry it to a context into which it was not meant to travel. The "American dictionary" may adequately define the word "spirit" for use in casual conversation among Americans, but they do NOT define the term for the entire human race, or for the field of neuroscience. Which is where you were trying to apply this word, and your highly personal definitions and opinions.

My point is that white Western dictionaries which define the spirit in a standard, traditional Judeo-Christian way do not encompass the full spectrum of human experience. There are many, many religious traditions on the planet Earth. Not all of them fall into lockstep with JudeoChristian views of the body and the spirit, or how neurochemistry works, by ANY stretch of the imagination.

Trying to impose your limited personal and cultural view on something with a wide application to all humanity, like neuroscience, is a mistake. There are more things in heaven and earth than are found within the borders of the Western world, with its pitifully small supply of religious traditions.

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RE: Sexual Masochism...A Disorder? - 10/25/2006 5:57:34 PM

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oh - as usual - the "other" world hasn't caught up with us avant garde renegades. They're way too busy trying to fit the mold. Btw though there are many great psychologists etc. who do not consider masochism a disorder. For me sex is just plain boring without it.

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