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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 1:07:38 PM

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Bush learned from Clinton's biggest mistake. Doing nothing about terrorism only encourages it. Clinton continously ignored the threat of Islamic terrorism. Saudi Arabia offered him Bin Laden's head on a platter and he refused. in 2000 the USS COLE was bombed in Yemen. Clinton's response? "deeper monica deeper" Clinton allowed the coniditons that led to 9-11 to exist. he could have stopped it. Instead of wasting millions of dollars to blow up a few rocks, he should have spent that money and killed Bin Laden. Bush took the fight to them, and because of that since 9-11 not a single terrrorist attack has been succesful on American Soil.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 3:00:14 PM

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Clinton is a Liar- it is Bush's Fault
Bush is a Liar- it is Clintons fault
yadda yadda yadda- same ole song n dance
Every President has made mistakes and every one in the future will too

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 3:03:03 PM

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Heh, along the lines of "There's so much blame to go around, NO-ONE escapes!"

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 3:36:28 PM

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Back to the OP, yes the people in our military deserve something, like their veteran benefits, like their death in battle counted as such instead of counted as something else to make the stats look better for Rummy and how he has conducted this war. They deserve saftey equipment and better gear that will save their lives. They deserve to be protecting the homeland if they signed up for the national reserves after 9-11 because they wanted to protect US and not Iraqis, they deserve to be let out of the service when their obligation is over, or at the very least given state side service instead of combat active duty

I could go on and on about the VA hospitals not being properly funded, about the head injuries coming back from Iraq that will leave 19 to 21 year olds brain damaged for life with little rehabilitation for the long haul, I could talk about troops sent over there without proper training for the combat situations they face...

Yes we owe them a lot, and lip service like this thread is the fucking least of it.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 3:43:45 PM

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They deserve to not have their lives pointlessly wasted.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 3:45:24 PM

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They deserve to not have their lives pointlessly wasted.

abso-freakin-lutely

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 4:35:21 PM

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You want to keep American jobs? Then you are going to have to get used to paying more for everything and making do with less. You really ready for that?

That's about it in a nutshell, folks.

I tried to agree with that and was told all sorts of reasons (which made sense) why that can't be.

So apparently we are not ready for that.

Yes, the reasons made sense, and the initial post still rings true ....

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 5:31:01 PM

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Oh, please, Clinton is the man who made it 'ok' to lie. Don't tell me you believed one word of his tirade against Chris Wallace? Sandy Berger was stealing documents out of the National Archives before the 9/11 Commision got there. We'll probably never know just how bad Clinton's Dereliction of Duty was.

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Clinton was just on TV a few days ago and said he tried to kill Bin Laden. You must have missed that huh? He told Bush to keep an eye on him and Bush did not. Don't blame Clinton for Bush's mistakes!

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 6:17:24 PM

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The Cole bombing was six months before Clinton left office. Thinking of the good of a country (something Republicans seem unable to do) he left the response to the next president.

SO, if it was so clear we needed to go kick some ass, tell me what the fuck that traitorous asshole bush did?

Show me where he geared this country up for war?

Show me where he did anything but start the gravy train for the rich? They were busy screwing California over energy and worrying about a missle defense shield that has yet to work.

Sorry but your little traitor did NOTHING and left us defenseless, and was asleep at the wheel when we did get attacked.

The better part of bush dribbled down his momma's leg!

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 6:50:27 PM

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     Do you need a cookie or something Crappy? I never mentioned Bush. I know what the problem is though...

   Bill Clinton, the guy I (and probably you too) voted for twice, blew it badly on National Security. He gave North Korea the Bomb (please spare me the current talking points to the contrary), let China steal us blind in aerospace and, while he knew exactly where his dick was, couldn't find the balls to take Bin Laden out no matter how many chances he got.

    Admit it, you'll feel better.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/16/2006 8:09:37 PM

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Passes out soap and boxes.............combine them, you have an agenda. *rolls my eyes*

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/17/2006 7:15:54 AM

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Rich,

I blamed Clinton for going to soft on China but in hindsight, I think that his move was clever and in the long run brought china to a safer, more stable point with greatly reduced militaristic tendencies. So I actually think MORE of Clinton now than I did then.

As for his "failures" with Osama, you can believe all the right wing talking points you want but it is all smoke and mirrors designed to fool ignorant morons.

Neither Clinton nor Bush have much in the way of the ability to stop N. Korea. Bush abandoned Clinton's approach and didn't do any better. Again, empty right wing talking points that fall apart if you actually look at them.

As for Osama, you can believe that the Sudan handed him to Clinton on a platter all you want, the reality is clearly otherwise for anyone who reads people other than Anne Coulter. If Osama was such a clear threat, one we should have pulled all the stops out to go after, show me the Republican outrage AT THE FUCKING TIME over Clinton not getting Osama? You can't because the Republicans didn't care then, they didn't care under Bush and it seems they still don't fucking care.

Well on second thought, maybe Bush was brilliant and his plan consisted of luring Osama into the open by lulling him into a false sense of security. Bush cut anti-terrror funding, demoted the anti-terror cabinet position, told the FBI to back off Saudi's, sent millions to the Taliban, ignored every warning that America was about to be attacked all in an effort to "trap" Osama.

Does that sound better Rich? I am sure it does and if you are able to choke that sort of crap down, fine, just don't ask intelligent people to do the same.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/17/2006 3:21:35 PM

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Does that sound better Rich? I am sure it does and if you are able to choke that sort of crap down, fine, just don't ask intelligent people to do the same.

    Nicely done, Crappy. You should print that out and take it to the next focus-group. It almost sounded like you believed it. A bit more practice (no worries, you have time) and you'll be able take on any boozed-up ditto head who comes along. I especially liked the tactic of using the reported Sudan episode to insinuate I'm a talk radio redneck and therefore mentally inferior to the enlightened liberal mind. Hannity has played the bad tape of Clinton excusing himself for that to death.

    As for "choking the crap down," methinks you doth protest too much. You may have to "rethink" a lot of positions on the Clinton record as '08 draws near. Right or wrong, Hillary will have to stand to account for what Bill did and didn't do. Right now, the strategerism seems to be "stonewall and deny." That could change. We might get to see him cry and apologize to the American People for letting all those awful Republican attacks distract him from his real job, and how his Wife would never allow that happen (see Sissify's links to the detention camps ready and waiting*). Would he do it with Diane Sawyer, do you think, or would CBS give direct editorial control to Howard Dean to get the story to Cokie Roberts?

    Stay the course and have hope. The next set of talking points might have a rethink that doesn't need quite as much BBQ sauce.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/17/2006 3:30:08 PM

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I'm going to be flamed here but to be honest i dont care it is just my opinion that follows.
I'm not sure about other countries but careers in the military over here are by choice not conscription. If you choose to join the army, navy, air force etc then you are doing your job. There are plenty of careers that ave lives etc that are never recognised. Yes, credit where credit is due but in my opinion they know what they are doing when they join up.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/17/2006 4:55:50 PM

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Clinton was one of the best presidents America ever had. So what if he got a bj in the oval office? I'm not saying it was right for him to cheat on his wife, but that has nothing to do with how he ran the country. People have private lives. I don't know of anyone who has never lied to protect their private life. That doesn't make them habitual liars. I would like to see Hillary Clinton become the next president. Having the Clintons back in office is exactly what this country needs.

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Oh, please, Clinton is the man who made it 'ok' to lie. Don't tell me you believed one word of his tirade against Chris Wallace? Sandy Berger was stealing documents out of the National Archives before the 9/11 Commision got there. We'll probably never know just how bad Clinton's Dereliction of Duty was.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/17/2006 5:32:49 PM

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Clinton was one of the best presidents America ever had. So what if he got a bj in the oval office? I'm not saying it was right for him to cheat on his wife, but that has nothing to do with how he ran the country. People have private lives. I don't know of anyone who has never lied to protect their private life. That doesn't make them habitual liars. I would like to see Hillary Clinton become the next president. Having the Clintons back in office is exactly what this country needs.

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Oh, please, Clinton is the man who made it 'ok' to lie. Don't tell me you believed one word of his tirade against Chris Wallace? Sandy Berger was stealing documents out of the National Archives before the 9/11 Commision got there. We'll probably never know just how bad Clinton's Dereliction of Duty was.

That is certainly what a lot of people are going to need to persuade the country of.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/17/2006 7:08:13 PM

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Clinton was just on TV a few days ago and said he tried to kill Bin Laden. You must have missed that huh? He told Bush to keep an eye on him and Bush did not. Don't blame Clinton for Bush's mistakes!

Going to Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with the lack of attacks in the US. If anything, the number of terrorist attacks worldwide has increased since Iraq. Our borders are like sieves. If anyone had wanted to get in, they would have had no problem.

I am well aware of his attempt to kill Bin Laden, the several multi-million dollar tomhohawk missiles that were launched, their result? a couple of rocks were blown up. No terrorists killed. No disruption in day-to-day Al Qeada operations

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/17/2006 7:12:08 PM

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The Cole bombing was six months before Clinton left office. Thinking of the good of a country (something Republicans seem unable to do) he left the response to the next president.

SO, if it was so clear we needed to go kick some ass, tell me what the fuck that traitorous asshole bush did?

Show me where he geared this country up for war?

Show me where he did anything but start the gravy train for the rich? They were busy screwing California over energy and worrying about a missle defense shield that has yet to work.

Sorry but your little traitor did NOTHING and left us defenseless, and was asleep at the wheel when we did get attacked.

The better part of bush dribbled down his momma's leg!

A reponse to an attack needs to come within 1-3 months, not 6. The good of the country? Bush had been in office for less than 8 months on 9-11. I'm sorry, but you cant blame him for 9-11 when he barely getting situated. And if you read your news you would know that a US cruiser in the pacific succesfully shot down a test missile...
Do you know how hard it is? Simply because we havent suceeded yet means we need to stop trying? Missile defense should be a HUGE priority, especially now with a nuclear North Korea.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/17/2006 8:00:14 PM

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ANY president who would not diligently pursue a terrorist murderer or accomplice in the murder of thousands of people is worthless. To engage in minor aggression agianst terroism is weak. I will vote for the next president who embraces the resurrection of the draft. More soldiers only means a stronger and better warfighter. The response to the murder of the people in New York should have been the flooding of military recruitment offices and vast amounts of enlistment from US citizens. I can remember the flags flying after that day in Sept. all around the country, from bridges and building and automobiles to name just a few. Now all you see are the little ribbons stuck to cars saying "Supporrt Our Troops". After the next terrorist group gets away with exploding a nuke when and where they choose, I hope and pray they get what they have coming to them that Osama has not yet received.
The acquisition of Iraq was an excellent stratigic move for the military and a costly one also, but freedom does not come cheap and we have paid dearly for it with mistakes and all. But who among you has never made a mistake. The learning from the mistake is where you show your cunning.
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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/17/2006 8:19:33 PM

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DDG,

Thanks for once again proving Republicans are in general too ignorant to be allowed to vote let alone hold office.

Since the missle test you speak of didn't follow the paramenters of a normal incoming missle, the test is meaningless and its only intent was to fool Republicans and you have just proved that part worked just fine.

As for a nuclear north korea, you can quack in fear all you want but they are not a threat to us. They want those nukes for protection of the regime, a regime would would evaporate 10 minutes after they launched a missle at the US.

Sorry but you boys elected the United States worst president ever who has done more damage to our national security than every lie you tell about Democrats combined, except in this case the damage is very very real.

Lucky for us, the impeachments will begin later next year and perhaps the trials for treason some time after. We will expose how Republican economic ideas made Iraq's economy worse, how they made their decisions based not on what is best for America but what made them richer, and of course how they lied to America about the need to go to war.

I really really look forward to the bloodbath as the corruption is exposed, not just simple lining of pockets but the systematic looting of America's future.

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