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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/18/2006 6:41:16 PM

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You have the basic knowledge of ICBMS, however you failed to mention what kind of achievment it was to shoot down even that one missile. I am here at the front lines of BMD, which means that I cant go into to much detail about it, however yes it is extremely difficult to shoot down an ICBM, but we are making progress, and every penny we can afford to put into BMD we should. It is a real threat. Whether you choose to believe it or not

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

What happens when a ballistic missile goes off is the rocket fires it up into what is essentially outer space, then detaches and the warhead / payload, (goes ballistic) and flies along under it's own kinetic energy on a curving drop at the target. It has a little control after it goes ballistic.

It also does not give off heat signatures which can be picked up, and is moving so fast that it is difficult to hit with a radar guided anti-ballistic missile fired from the ground.

On a positive note, China does not possess the amounts and sorts of nuclear missiles the Soviet Union did, and most of the ones they possess are not intended to go ballistic.

I dont think North Korea poses much of a threat because if they started trouble on the Korean peninsula or attacked Japan, the United States would make them an ex-country unless China stepped in.

If China stepped in they would lose their trade with North America and Europe, and their economy would collapse.

China paid close (and rapt) attention to how we defeated Iraq so handily, and came to the realization that their military was sorely out of date compared to the US. Now they are vigorously trying to steal as much of our technology as they possibly can so they can upgrade their military.

Putting all of this together, China does not want to go to war with the United States. Probably ever. China will tell Kim Jong Il to mind his manners and prevent him from doing anything, in much the same way that Clinton framed it to Kim Jong Il. "If you fire a missile at South Korea or Japan you will have an ex-country."

The reason the current administration is spending so much of their time stirring up the fear and paranoia of their constituency is to try to take the heat off the scandals they are embroiled in.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/18/2006 7:31:34 PM

Sinergy

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My uber-manliness can overcome any tag of "chickness" LOL.

Dont you find it amusing, Level, when people worry about the message their car sends about their Manliness?

A friend pointed out to me that you can tell any male idiot driving a huge jacked off the road truck, a Honda with 65000 dollars worth of pimping, etc., a Ferrari or Lambourghini, is simply informing the potential consumer that they have a small penis.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

p.s. I want a car that can hold my 45 pounds of assailant armor, which fits into a bag 5 feet long and 7 feet in circumference, as well as my stinky dock crap.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/18/2006 9:03:02 PM

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You have the basic knowledge of ICBMS, however you failed to mention what kind of achievment it was to shoot down even that one missile. I am here at the front lines of BMD, which means that I cant go into to much detail about it, however yes it is extremely difficult to shoot down an ICBM, but we are making progress, and every penny we can afford to put into BMD we should. It is a real threat. Whether you choose to believe it or not

Sure, it is a real threat, I guess.

When I was the point man on a certain requirement on the upgrade to the US missile warning system, a 6 billion dollar system designed to manage the ballistic missile threat of the Soviet Union pushing the big red button at the United States, I was always amazed at how the simply fact that...

(pause for emphasis)

THE SOVIET UNION WENT BANKRUPT AND BROKE UP IN YEAR 3 OF A 6 YEAR CONTRACT, AND THE US NO LONGER HAD A MASS RAID THREAT FROM NUCLEAR WEAPONS FIRED AT US FROM THE SOVIET UNION.

(end pause)

This did not make anybody running the thing think "gee, I guess what we are spending all this money on is stupid."

I am happy one missile was successfully shot down. It is a lovely achievement. I imagine somewhere in Washington somebody is getting goo on their sheets thinking about it.

I did hear some people complain that our nuclear missile defense system had no way to deal with SCUDs during the Gulf War. If it were up to me I would have allocated half that 6 billion dollars to figure out how to monitor other threats besides the Soviet Union, but my objections were drowned out.

Things exist in a context. Sure, North Korea might develop a missile and shoot it at somebody, and we might or might not have the capability to shoot it down. I am a firm believer in the idea that "Warfare is a symptom of the breakdown of diplomacy." I forget who said that.

Monkeyboy has never shown a great talent for diplomacy.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/18/2006 11:12:33 PM

NavyDDG54

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Hell i'm sure Secretary of State Rice would love it if you could peacefully negotiate with Kim Jong Il and Ahmidinejab, and convince them to play nice. While your at it convince Bin Laden to come to a tea party with President Bush, you could even invite Castro...

Unless they want to negoatiate(which both Iran and N Korea clearly dont) negotiation is impossible. Remember it takes both sides to want peace in order to achieve it, however only 1 side has to want war.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54

You have the basic knowledge of ICBMS, however you failed to mention what kind of achievment it was to shoot down even that one missile. I am here at the front lines of BMD, which means that I cant go into to much detail about it, however yes it is extremely difficult to shoot down an ICBM, but we are making progress, and every penny we can afford to put into BMD we should. It is a real threat. Whether you choose to believe it or not

Sure, it is a real threat, I guess.

When I was the point man on a certain requirement on the upgrade to the US missile warning system, a 6 billion dollar system designed to manage the ballistic missile threat of the Soviet Union pushing the big red button at the United States, I was always amazed at how the simply fact that...

(pause for emphasis)

THE SOVIET UNION WENT BANKRUPT AND BROKE UP IN YEAR 3 OF A 6 YEAR CONTRACT, AND THE US NO LONGER HAD A MASS RAID THREAT FROM NUCLEAR WEAPONS FIRED AT US FROM THE SOVIET UNION.

(end pause)

This did not make anybody running the thing think "gee, I guess what we are spending all this money on is stupid."

I am happy one missile was successfully shot down. It is a lovely achievement. I imagine somewhere in Washington somebody is getting goo on their sheets thinking about it.

I did hear some people complain that our nuclear missile defense system had no way to deal with SCUDs during the Gulf War. If it were up to me I would have allocated half that 6 billion dollars to figure out how to monitor other threats besides the Soviet Union, but my objections were drowned out.

Things exist in a context. Sure, North Korea might develop a missile and shoot it at somebody, and we might or might not have the capability to shoot it down. I am a firm believer in the idea that "Warfare is a symptom of the breakdown of diplomacy." I forget who said that.

Monkeyboy has never shown a great talent for diplomacy.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 8:42:29 AM

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"Remember it takes both sides to want peace in order to achieve it, however only 1 side has to want war."

...couldn't agree more.....now what country was it that short circuited the weapons inspection process in Iraq in order to start a war?

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 10:38:13 AM

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Diplomacy conducted by idiots is always doomed to failure. People have this notion that diplomacy is all warm and fuzzy, it ain't at least not when conducted by intelligent people.

In public you apologize and suck up and beg them to do nice, behind the scenes you overfly the bastards with SR71s (the CIA still flys some) U2s, you actively ping their frigates from subs and then disappear, You have some special ops guys leave notes on a few people's pillows with a 9mm round taped to them, in other words you show them PRIVATELY that their asses are about to be handed to them.

THAT is how you make diplomacy work, but Bush problem is he has to appeal to the ignorant knuckle dragging buffoons who support him who have no understanding of how the world works and who equate chest thumping with manliness.

Iran isn't the axis of evil, our two allies, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the axis of evil but they are the axis of profit to Bush and so we invade the one non Muslim run country and turn it into a cesspool.

Sorry but any idiot could negotiate better with Iran that Bush did, he drove them to this point and NK because they NEED threats in order to scare the sheep out there dumb enough not to see how we got here.

It's like sitting at a nice pleasant picnic and a sleazy salesman comes up and tries to sell you bug spray and when you refuse to buy he kicks over a hornets nest. Republicans it seems think we were idiots for not buying the bug spray, Democrats want to beat the shit out of the idiot for kicking over the hornets nest.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 10:40:32 AM

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Sinergy,

We used to print up bumber stickers and put them on big SUVs

"If your dick was as small as mine you would drive one too"

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 8:11:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

...couldn't agree more.....now what country was it that short circuited the weapons inspection process in Iraq in order to start a war?

How long does the inspection proccess take? It was going on for well more than a decade. That's a very long short circuit

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 8:31:40 PM

juliaoceania

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

...couldn't agree more.....now what country was it that short circuited the weapons inspection process in Iraq in order to start a war?

How long does the inspection proccess take? It was going on for well more than a decade. That's a very long short circuit

Very good question... and how long is the shelf life of many of the components that went into the WMD he was accused of having? Half that long... and we had no knowledge that he had acquired more... it is hard to prove a negative, and wars should certainly never be started based on such evidence.

Scott Ritter was right, and many people have said the evidence in the case to go to Iraq was indeed cherry picked... and time has borne this out. To talk as if this is not the case is certainly nonproductive as I can prove about a 12 different ways that Iraq had no WMD... therefore we invaded that country for NO REASON

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 9:06:19 PM

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I'm still trying to figure out what "interests" the U.S. has in S. Korea.
I don't have any interests there does anyone else in this site?

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 9:08:50 PM

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This interests me

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juliaoceania
I can prove about a 12 different ways that Iraq had no WMD

Would you mind?

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 9:25:14 PM

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Ok...

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0325,cotts,44897,6.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,966797,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A63017-2003May31?language=printer

http://www.independent.co.uk/c/?ec=500

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068271/

http://www.sundayherald.com/34271

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/21/iraq.weapons/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0721-02.htm

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051114/ritter

or my favorite and where I found these and many other articles

www.google.com

Just use wmd iraq ... lies, scott ritter, hans blix, cherry picked evidence.... etc etc etc... or one I did not use.. Valarie Plame, that one always yields excellent results...

Enjoy!

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 9:33:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54

Hell i'm sure Secretary of State Rice would love it if you could peacefully negotiate with Kim Jong Il and Ahmidinejab, and convince them to play nice. While your at it convince Bin Laden to come to a tea party with President Bush, you could even invite Castro...

Unless they want to negoatiate(which both Iran and N Korea clearly dont) negotiation is impossible. Remember it takes both sides to want peace in order to achieve it, however only 1 side has to want war.

There are so many things about your comments that I find idiotic that I am not sure where to start.

Has Monkeyboy EVER shown ANY talent for diplomacy in his entire presidency?

The only thing he knows how to do is waltz in with his Honda with 65,000 dollars in penis extensions (that should read "the US military") and demand to be treated with the dignity he thinks he deserves.

What Monkeyboy calls "negotiation" in terms of Iran and North Korea amounts to saying "stop building nuclear power plants or we will bomb you into the stone age." This is not negotiation. This is attempted bullying. Iran and North Korea do not want to negotiate with that power blind cretin because they need nuclear power to manage their economy. They are tired of being poor and lagging behind while other countries use the energy created by nuclear power plants to build pretty things to sell to other countries.

Monkeyboy, in his paranoid delusions, thinks that they will use them to build nuclear weapons. Actually, I take that back, I think Monkeyboy wants the US people to believe that so they will support his efforts to bankrupt this country so he and his buddies can be rich.

What I find amusing is the number of people (which gets less each and every day) who actually believe what Monkeyboy (or Faux News representation of the Simian In Chief) tells them.

Perhaps he and his supporters will see through a brick wall in time, but I tend to doubt it.

Enjoy!

Sinergy

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/19/2006 9:39:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Ok...

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0325,cotts,44897,6.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,966797,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A63017-2003May31?language=printer

http://www.independent.co.uk/c/?ec=500

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068271/

http://www.sundayherald.com/34271

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/21/iraq.weapons/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0721-02.htm

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051114/ritter

or my favorite and where I found these and many other articles

www.google.com

Just use wmd iraq ... lies, scott ritter, hans blix, cherry picked evidence.... etc etc etc... or one I did not use.. Valarie Plame, that one always yields excellent results...

Enjoy!

You did ask, swtnsparkling.

Enjoy your reading.

I tell my kids that if they dont want to know the answer, it is probably best that they dont ask the question.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/20/2006 5:21:54 AM

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Sinergy
I tell my kids that if they dont want to know the answer, it is probably best that they dont ask the question
Just me, could be wrong, .

I believe your wrong- no need to try an imply what you are.

Yes I did in fact ASK because I DO want to know
Thank you julia

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/20/2006 5:27:37 AM

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Sinergy
I think Monkeyboy wants the US people to believe that so they will support his efforts to bankrupt this country so he and his buddies can be rich.

speaking of rich.........LOL that's a good one

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/20/2006 7:47:58 AM

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Has Monkeyboy EVER shown ANY talent for diplomacy in his entire presidency?

Sinergy, the PC police have struck again concerning your liberal use of monkey in deriding a certain Commander in Chimp... they forget the long time honored tradition of lambasting our leaders, which supposedly separates us from the "unfree". But you know some people find this all deadly serious business and take lampooning their president rather seriously.." you know that whole family values we have no sense of humor" crowd.

For those who want to read about their right to satire under the First Amendment please go to

http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/constitution/amendment01/18.html

Government Restraint of Content of Expression
The three previous sections considered primarily but not exclusively incidental restraints on expression as a result of governmental regulatory measures aimed at goals other than control of the content of expression; this section considers the permissibility of governmental measures which are directly concerned with the content of expression.66 As a general matter, government may not regulate speech ''because of its message, its ideas, its subject matter, or its content.''67 Invalid content regulation includes not only restrictions on particular viewpoints, but also prohibitions on public discussion of an entire topic.68

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/20/2006 7:59:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

quote:

Sinergy
I tell my kids that if they dont want to know the answer, it is probably best that they dont ask the question
Just me, could be wrong, .

I believe your wrong- no need to try an imply what you are.

Yes I did in fact ASK because I DO want to know
Thank you julia

You believe I am wrong about "not asking a question if you dont want to know the answer?" So what you are saying is people should ask questions they dont want to know the answer to?

Interesting perspective you have on things.

Mine was a general statement, not necessarily pointed at you.

But thank you for letting me know you feel I am wrong.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy

p.s. Enjoy your research on the links she provided?

Editted to fix incorrect verb tense

< Message edited by Sinergy -- 10/20/2006 8:00:28 AM >

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/20/2006 12:14:51 PM

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Ok sure why not. It was Just a "general statement".LOL enjoy your day

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