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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 9:50:55 AM   
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Stick me in an autoclave for an hour and I can guarantee my fluids will be pretty safe LA.. 
Dunno if I'd be much fun though...

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 9:51:33 AM   
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well, to each their own, but to me, it shows desperation, the end of principles and low self respect...but that's only my opinion.


i sorta agree michael. like i posted earlier, my concern is not sticking to my limits...

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 9:52:10 AM   
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*sits and wracks brain over what this 'limit' actually is*

come on. i can't be the only one. can we play 20 Questions julia? ;)


I told my Daddy that if he wanted you to know he would tell you because I thought it best for him to decide....

I believe Michael thinks that hard limits all involve mutilation, hurting children, scat play, forced bisexuality and the like... my limit was so not that dramatic.. but it was in my head....smiles

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 9:53:43 AM   
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I say, it's a sign of awesome deep trust that you're willing to stretch your limits. The only reason to set hard limits in my opinion is because you don't trust a person to understand or respect how things make you feel.

No- the reason I set a limit not to do casual blood play and have unprotected sex is because there are diseases and pregnancy issues.

It doesn't matter how understanding someone is or how much they respect me- they can't make their blood and semen safe.


LA, I agree to a degree, but I would never forego limits with someone who would do those things... thus it's a trust thing for me.... if I trust someone to stretch my limits without hurting me, or breaking me.... that's an amazing, and powerful thing.  And again, I'm not talkin strictly sexual here, but whole, real life.

Wow, do I sound like a sub now?

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 9:57:29 AM   
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I told my Daddy that if he wanted you to know he would tell you because I thought it best for him to decide....

I believe Michael thinks that hard limits all involve mutilation, hurting children, scat play, forced bisexuality and the like... my limit was so not that dramatic.. but it was in my head....smiles


well, stuff michael... just msg meeeeeee

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 9:59:45 AM   
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if someone has a hard limit, they should stick to it..."hard limits" are named as such for a reason.


Michael:
That's kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face, isn't it?

It reminds me of a self-imposed dilemma I experienced a couple of years ago. Every year my family is at the beach for my birthday. I grew up on the East coast and love steamed crabs, but was a vegetarian for quite some time and had not enjoyed them in years. A couple of years ago, on the way to the beach, I was lamenting to my brother about how much I missed having steamed crabs on my birthday and how hard it would be to watch everyone else enjoy them while eating whatever vegetarian food I could get (usually a salad and baked potato) at the seafood restaurant. He turned to me and said "Well, why don't you just eat the steamed crabs on your birthday?" I thought about it and I couldnt come up with an answer. I had stopped eating meat for various reasons and was generally happy with that decision, but this was something that I wanted to do and really did not have a good reason why I shouldnt. I had allowed a decision I made years ago to somehow prohibit me from making decisions for myself in the future, which really doesnt make any sense at all. I had not made a solemn vow to not eat meat, I had made a choice. The choice I made did not include a promise to never make another choice with regard to eating meat again. I think that the idea of sticking to the limit for the limit's sake is just about the same thing. If I dont need a limit any more, if it does not serve me any longer, or even holds me back, I should not honor it just because it was a "hard limit". The limit was something that served me, protected me and helped me to feel safe. If I don't want it to serve me any more, I have the power to do away with it.

To the OP:

My sig other and I don't really talk in terms of "limits", but there are things that I am less comfortable with than others, and would they come up, the conversation we may have surrounding them may look like a conversation about "limits" but we don't really use that term. When I chose to submit to my dom, I chose to not have the right to say "I won't do this" or "I want to do that". That doesnt mean that internal limits don't exist, we just approach the concept from a different angle. He has not historically been about "pushing limits" for the sake of it, so our orientation toward limits fits one another nicely. We prefer to take things as they come and be present with them in the moment.

I find that as my relationship with my sig other grows and deepens, I don't think in terms of "limits" so much anyway, but rather in terms of continued exploration and creation of deeper intimacy between us. I'm not out to conquer all my fears for the sake of conquering them or for giving up limits in order to prove anything (my love, my submission, my trust) but rather Im just open to the broadening and deepening of "us". If this organically produces limit-stretching experiences, I welcome them --not because they are opportunities to throw off limits but rather opportunities to experience newer and deeper intimacy in my relationship.

There are things that terrify me and I don't know what my response would be if tomorrow he chose to confront me with one of those things. I do know that if he were to do it, it would be in a thoughtful and responsible manner, which is why I can psychologically afford to orient myself toward the idea from an intimacy-building as opposed to a limit-breaking perspective.


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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 10:06:47 AM   
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ok, but there are several things i have as hard limits that nobody could ever make me change, call it a solemn vow or whatever. i won't go into detail about these limits since most everyone on here is tired of hearing me list them i'm sure. i don't consider these limits as a weakness.

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 10:07:02 AM   
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I find that as my relationship with my sig other grows and deepens, I don't think in terms of "limits" so much anyway, but rather in terms of continued exploration and creation of deeper intimacy between us. I'm not out to conquer all my fears for the sake of conquering them or for giving up limits in order to prove anything (my love, my submission, my trust) but rather Im just open to the broadening and deepening of "us". If this organically produces limit-stretching experiences, I welcome them --not because they are opportunities to throw off limits but rather opportunities to experience newer and deeper intimacy in my relationship.

There are things that terrify me and I don't know what my response would be if tomorrow he chose to confront me with one of those things. I do know that if he were to do it, it would be in a thoughtful and responsible manner, which is why I can psychologically afford to orient myself toward the idea from an intimacy-building as opposed to a limit-breaking perspective.



 
That is a lovely philosophy without the baggage that the word "limit" brings with it, I will share it with my Daddy... Thank you Heather

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 10:23:53 AM   
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I dont see where anyone referred to limits as a weakness here, Michael. I think that is something you are imposing on yourself.

When I talk about limits, I don't even consider something like abuse of a non-consenting person/minor, which some people list as a "hard limit". Some sort of unethical behavior with regard to my job, for example, or if my dom wanted me to steal or murder are other examples of things that I dont even consider something that I would have to discuss as limits. Im talking about a healthy power-exchange relationship and not victimization. When I talk about limits here Im talking about D/s activity and things that push people to take risks and trust.

And I didnt say all limits should be broken.
Nor did I say that someone is weak or bad or wrong if they weren't open to pushing limits.
I dont know where you are hearing this stuff, Michael, are you sure it isnt you who is telling it to yourself?


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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:03:23 AM   
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I think I would like to share a thought I had on about page 2 of this post, where subs and Doms alike were discussing why limits are explored and the real reasons that are behind the pat answers to why you don't like something, or dont want to do something. 

The courage and thought it takes to discover and accept these reasons was discussed, it is brave and scary and can even shift the axis of your world a little. 

My thought is this, how wonderful it is that someone cares enough about you to know your mind and show you your fears and hold you afterwards.  That person is truly exceptional, especcially when you look around at the lack of respect and communication in so many relationships that seems to be the norm.  Someone cares enough for us to put in that time, effort and care.  How wonderful is that.  My happy slightly awed thought of the day.

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:11:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

ok, but there are several things i have as hard limits that nobody could ever make me change, call it a solemn vow or whatever. i won't go into detail about these limits since most everyone on here is tired of hearing me list them i'm sure. i don't consider these limits as a weakness.


Well, Michael,

I haven't ever thought that the limits that people hold as their own are some particular *weakness*.

To be perfectly honest, I haven't even asked anyone WHY they have a *limit*.

It seems quite reasonable to me that there are things that people may or may not want to do or even TRY, either *for now, or  *for ever* for reasons of their own.

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:14:32 AM   
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I think trust is paramount in a relationship. I trust Himself with my life. I trust his actions will remain steadfast and be true to his nature and that enabled me to process what I needed to process in order to let go of a lot of things, but ultimately, it was the trust I have for my own judgement that enabled me to let go of the rest of the crap that weighed me down and prevented my growth. Trusting someone else only takes you so far. Trusting yourself can take you the rest of the way whether that's letting go of limits or keeping them because you deem that they are necessary for your health and well-being.

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:16:07 AM   
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Trusting someone else only takes you so far. Trusting yourself can take you the rest of the way whether that's letting go of limits or keeping them because you deem that they are necessary for your health and well-being.

Celeste


Excellent point, Celeste. This is a healthy and balanced approach.

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:36:02 AM   
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I just want to thank you for this thread in general. In particular julia and Synergy for sharing this experience. It's been enlightening and given me great food for thought.


You are quite welcome.

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:39:43 AM   
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I don't see my limits as a weakness at all, I see them as something I have put in place for various reasons.  It's easy to sit there and say "I will never change any of my limits", if you have never even been with anyone in real life and done anything.  I had more limits when I started than I do now, that's a fact.  The ones that are important to me, I have made sure that the person I am with matches those as something they aren't interested in doing.  I had once said, I would never do watersports.  I have learned over the years to not make that type of statement. 
 
Limits are not to be used as a measuring tool of a relationship, they are there because they are something we prefer not to engage in for our own reasons.  I can say that for me, the ones I am giving up to my Master are taking us to a deeper level in our relationship, but for someone else, it might not have that same type of result.
 
I know that for me, I get great pleasure in giving total control to my Master, there isn't a feeling like it at all.  Would I engage in my given up limits for anyone else?  No, I wouldn't, they are given up only for him, and to him.  I have given him control of them also when he has me be with someone else, but if it gives him pleasure for me to do them in that circumstance, I will do it for him.  After all, that is why I have become his, I trust him totally with all parts of me. 
 
I have just found it's better to not say you won't ever do something, moreover judge someone else for doing it. 
 
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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:44:17 AM   
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i find i have a lot more limits than most of the subs i meet and it does make me question if i should push myself more being domme .  I have limits that i know will never change no matter what but while at one time i thought the idea of using needles terrible it intrigues me now so i think my limits lessen as i grow in myself and alsoihope that when i am at my most secure with my partner i will feel more than happy to push buttons and see how i feel.
i think it would get pretty boring pretty quick if i had no limits at all straight away
and i think that when something is hard to achieve it makes it all the more fun at the end of the day its all about pushing your mind

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:46:47 AM   
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I dont think you having alot of limits makes you more Domme. It just means you have more limits, and thats ok. It is what you feel comfortable with.

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:51:15 AM   
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lol sorry i worded that wrong i wondered at times if it made me less domme havin more limitsoops lol

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:54:49 AM   
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I dont really think limits has much to do with being dominant or submissive. Limits are things either side isn't comfotable with or doesnt want to participate in. Having more or less doesn't make a person more dominant or submissive. It is whatever either one feels comfortable with.

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RE: Letting Go Of Limits - 10/17/2006 11:56:53 AM   
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thanks foot domme :)   my pc keeps crashing im havin right trouble accessing this site tonight everytime i try tosend a reply it crashes
yes as i was tryin to explain through my friend there lol 
i worried at first that i would appear less domme  because i had more limits

though i do think sometimes a lot of subs who message me tend to think i will want to hear that they either have absolutely no limits  or enjoy something that frankly i wouldnt message anyone about in a first message  becasue they feel i am more likely to reply to them lol]

which isnt the case lol in fact it almost puts me off

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