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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 3:57:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lady Alaria

Hmm....
WtH actually said something I agree with.

The comments that ProDommes are prostitutes does seem pretty off. If they are, then so are exotic dancers.

Some dancers are prostitutes as well, so are some ProDommes. But by no means all or even most.



Not all professional doms are "prostitutes", but they are all sex workers.  As are streetwalkers and call girls, exotic dancers, phone sex operators, escorts, massage parlor attendents, and just about anyone who works in a professional exhibitionism capacity--from the most hot-n'-heavy pornstar to the waittress at Hooters.

All sex workers have some problems and concerns in common, among them being social censure, the potential for violent or abusive behavior from clients and supervisors, and arbitrary legal crackdowns on their trade which are inflicted by government authorities at every level from the city council to the Federal government.

Virtually all of the above are grounded in our society's childish intolerance and misunderstanding of human sexuality, in my opinion.

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 4:12:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lady Alaria

Hmm....
WtH actually said something I agree with.

The comments that ProDommes are prostitutes does seem pretty off. If they are, then so are exotic dancers.

Some dancers are prostitutes as well, so are some ProDommes. But by no means all or even most.



Not all professional doms are "prostitutes", but they are all sex workers.  As are streetwalkers and call girls, exotic dancers, phone sex operators, escorts, massage parlor attendents, and just about anyone who works in a professional exhibitionism capacity--from the most hot-n'-heavy pornstar to the waittress at Hooters.

All sex workers have some problems and concerns in common, among them being social censure, the potential for violent or abusive behavior from clients and supervisors, and arbitrary legal crackdowns on their trade which are inflicted by government authorities at every level from the city council to the Federal government.

Virtually all of the above are grounded in our society's childish intolerance and misunderstanding of human sexuality, in my opinion.

--M



Hello A/all,

I was reading a fascinating article, although the magazine it was in escapes me, about a doctor in India who has succeeded in establish a trade union for prostitutes.  His entire approach was based on the idea that

a)  The sex trade is not going anywhere anytime soon.

b)  Sex workers in India are becoming ill of HIV and other STDs at alarming rates.

c)  They are a professional service and should be accorded things like benefits, professional status, collective bargaining, scale pay, etc.

He encountered a great deal of opposition, primarily from religious groups and other opponents of the prostitution industry who seem to believe if will somehow go away.

But his main opposition was from the sex workers themselves.  His whole purpose in doing this was to make condom use a demand by the prostitutes to cut the number contracting STDs.  Their objection was that if they insisted on using a condom, the John would wander down the street to somebody else who did not insist.

He ultimately won out.  There is now a professional sex worker's trade union in India and condoms are a requirement.  The statistical number of new cases of HIV in India dropped dramatically after this union became established.

I believe he stated when talking about it that one of his inspirations was the Netherlands, who have sex trade workers unions, are provided benefits, paid holidays, etc.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 4:15:55 PM   
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Ok, am I the only one who thinks that that is so cool?



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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 4:35:15 PM   
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No, I agree--that is very, very good news.  The gene for immunity to HIV infection is very rare in India and Africa, and I'm very happy to hear that any positive steps have been taken to help control the spread of the disease in one of those populations.

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 6:16:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

No, I agree--that is very, very good news.  The gene for immunity to HIV infection is very rare in India and Africa, and I'm very happy to hear that any positive steps have been taken to help control the spread of the disease in one of those populations.

--M

I just don't mean in regards to that though. I mean the whole package...health benefits, the whole nine yards lol. I think that is just the shitz

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 6:18:03 PM   
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Ok, am I the only one who thinks that that is so cool?




I found it beyond cool.

There was another article in Scientific American a few months back about a research study done on long haul truckers in the United States.  The article was fascinating because the person who did the study really went out and researched it extensively and proved that long haul truckers and the life they live is a major source of heterosexual cases of HIV.

But the article also pointed out that the Republican majority in congress are cutting their research grant with the reason that "it supports the trucker's sexual activities."

People have certain behaviors.  I am always fascinated when people put their fingers in their ears, scream LALALALALALA, and expect that those people will not engage in those behaviors any more.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 6:52:30 PM   
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Okay NOW I am amused, heck I even think that is beyond cool.  Benefits, condoms, and reality... wow....

Thanks Sin

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 6:54:17 PM   
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LOL ok Synergy

If you can find those articles...I would love to read them...if they are online that is



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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 7:09:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kalira

LOL ok Synergy

If you can find those articles...I would love to read them...if they are online that is




Hello A/all

The prostition one was in Scientific American after all.

www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00034A71-B1CD-1419-ABA683414B7F0101&colID=30
 
The trucker one was in Discover, actually
 
www.discover.com/issues/aug-04/features/forbidden-science/

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 7:11:21 PM   
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Why thankyou kindly

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 7:13:27 PM   
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I belive that about long haul truckers.
My brother was one for many years and told us stories of the "Lot Lizzards" prostitutes that ply the L.H. trucker trade.
You can find them on the C.B. radio or wandering the parking lots in truck stops.
I think prostution should be legalized in the U.S.
I lived in Nevada for a year and they ran it very well there.
I really don't think Pro Dommes are doing anything that would "hurt" society.

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/18/2006 8:31:03 PM   
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I belive that about long haul truckers.
My brother was one for many years and told us stories of the "Lot Lizzards" prostitutes that ply the L.H. trucker trade.
You can find them on the C.B. radio or wandering the parking lots in truck stops.
I think prostution should be legalized in the U.S.
I lived in Nevada for a year and they ran it very well there.
I really don't think Pro Dommes are doing anything that would "hurt" society.


Nah, society I think we serve, now painsluts, those we hurt!!!!

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/19/2006 1:14:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
I especially liked the bit about us all being here, only
because we've all been abused in the past.


 
Hi Lady Ellen,
 
How would you like it if I said, "I especially like the line from
Lady Ellen where she said everyone here uses cocaine
and that is the reason they are into bdsm?"
 
I never said a single person here had been abused in their
past, let alone EVERYONE here has been abused in their
past.
 
Lady Ellen, you keep attibuting to me words I never said. 

 
> That was really insightful and very empathetic in relation
> to those who were abused who are here, and especially
> for those who were abused and are not here; clearly bdsm
> is a symptom of our sickness, and those who were abused
> who are not here are repressing their symptoms, which cant
> be healthy.
 
First, you make up something silly, attribute it to me, and
attack that thing you made up.   What drives you to do this?

Cheers,
Michael


< Message edited by WhipTheHip -- 10/19/2006 1:34:52 PM >


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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/19/2006 1:27:11 PM   
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Dear Lady Ellen,
 
I'm done with trying to save you.
 
I just think it goes to show, if someone's drowning but insists they can swim,
you can throw as many life preservers to them as you want, they'll just never
take them, and eventually sink beneath the water. Well, I'm done throwing life
preservers to Lady Ellen, so she can rescue herself without looking like an
idiot.  She might drown, she might paddle about a bit longer, but I'm not
sure she'll ever swim.
 
Cheers,
Michael


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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/19/2006 1:41:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Dear Lady Ellen,
 
I'm done with trying to save you.
 
I just think it goes to show, if someone's drowning but insists they can swim,
you can throw as many life preservers to them as you want, they'll just never
take them, and eventually sink beneath the water. Well, I'm done throwing life
preservers to Lady Ellen, so she can rescue herself without looking like an
idiot.  She might drown, she might paddle about a bit longer, but I'm not
sure she'll ever swim.
 
Cheers,
Michael



I am unaware she asked for saving.... very odd

Lady Ellen, I will save you if it becomes necessary... rest assured

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/19/2006 1:49:52 PM   
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Going back to the original OP.  I'd like to hear the men's definition of their  criteria is that determines for THEM that a woman is a prostitute?

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/19/2006 1:50:45 PM   
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ok, WhipTheHip, you're fonts, not to mention your posts, are getting on everyones' nerves...i know i've had my bouts with making an ass of myself on these forums, but please, you're giving us Micahels an even worse rep than i did.


< Message edited by michaelGA2 -- 10/19/2006 1:54:21 PM >


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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/19/2006 1:51:36 PM   
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Julia Oceania wrote:
> I am unaware she asked for saving.... very odd
 
Here's a clue Julia, neither did I.   Yes, very odd, indeed.


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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/19/2006 2:13:20 PM   
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ok, WhipTheHip, you're fonts, not to mention your posts, are getting on everyones' nerves...i know i've had my bouts with making an ass of myself on these forums, but please, you're giving us Micahels an even worse rep than i did.



Lightheartedly........Speak for yourself. Whip's font seems perfectly fine to me. You're a Micahel too?

agirl

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RE: Pro-Dommes, Prostitution, and sexual burnout. - 10/19/2006 2:14:13 PM   
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ok, WhipTheHip, you're fonts, not to mention your posts, are getting on everyones' nerves...i know i've had my bouts with making an ass of myself on these forums, but please, you're giving us Micahels an even worse rep than i did.



Just take him off your Christmas card list. (aka click Block)

Life has become so much easier since I did.

E

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