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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/28/2006 10:57:56 PM

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Gays getting married doesn't change heterosexual marriage in any way.

Not saying you're wrong, but think on this little tidbit:

"Pedophilic rapists posing as Masters doesn't change BDSM in any way."

When a seemingly positive thing becomes associated with a seemingly negative thing, the people in the seemingly positive will always defend theirs against the seemingly negative, in order to not be lumped into the same group.

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I hate to break it to you, Benji, I'm not sure how widely BDSM is viewed as "seemingly positive."

And as a gay man, I really appreciated being compared to a pedophiliac rapist. Thanks ever so much.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/28/2006 10:59:22 PM

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Well, it is not the religious belief standpoint that I am coming from. It is the standpoint of established structure. The majority of Americans believe that it should be left in tact, and justifiably so.

Slavery and segregation were both established structures too. So was the idea that a wife was the property of her husband.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/28/2006 11:06:03 PM

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The question isn’t wether you or anybody else believes homosexuals are normal or sinners or perverts (which would be a truly bizarre accusation coming from anyone in the BDSM scene)

Thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing that out. I've found it darkly amusing to be reading all this on a BDSM website.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/28/2006 11:48:21 PM

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Well, it is not the religious belief standpoint that I am coming from. It is the standpoint of established structure. The majority of Americans believe that it should be left in tact, and justifiably so.

Slavery and segregation were both established structures too. So was the idea that a wife was the property of her husband.

Yes, and I think you will find that I gave a nod to this concept (albeit in abstract fashion) in a previous post in this thread.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/29/2006 7:56:10 AM

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Why not include my comment that I don't agree with that view?

I don't have too much respect for someone who deliberately misquotes me.

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"Homosexuals make the wrong choice and pursue sin."

Lordandmaster, post #166

Homosexuality is not a choice. If it were, we'd all be bisexual. And, besides, with all the homophobic idiots out there, why would anyone choose to be gay anyway?

Lam, many people do have that view. i just took it from Your post, not from your point of view. i apologize that i was not more clear about it.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/29/2006 7:58:47 AM

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Earlier today, my family buried a lesbian aunt. Mom, who was with her when she died, told me two stories that might speak to this thread. Seconds after my aunt died, the doctor barged in and asked who was the next of kin. My aunt's partner introduced herself and explained that she had power of attorney. The doctor replied, "Well, that expired when she died. Now who's an actual relative?"

Then came the funeral parlor. After the partner had signed all the papers, just as a widow/er would, the funeral director discreetly took my cousin aside and asked her to sign too. The mother-child relationship was clearly more legally real to him than that between my aunt and her beloved partner.

Would that ever have happened to a straight married person who'd just lost his/her spouse?

My condolences on your loss. What happened to your aunt’s partner perfectly illuminates the problem. Unfortunately some people are just too hung up on the notion that homosexuals are abnormal or sinners to see that they are real people with real emotions deserving to be treated with the same respect. There is hope, though. I said it before and I’ll say it again: I believe that the majority of Americans are people of goodwill. Most of them are not involved because they can’t be bothered. They have problems of their own to deal with and that is understandable. What is unfortunate is that they fail to realize that a fight for equal rights for others is a fight for equal rights for themselves.

"If we deny the other, we deny ourselves."
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Things are slowly changing, however. When I was I teenager we constantly called each other "fag" as a put down. Ten years later I was a co-worker and friends with one gay and two lesbian couples. Today, I couldn't bring myself to use the word as a demeaning epitaph. People are slowly coming around. It may take time, but you will win this fight.

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The question isn’t wether you or anybody else believes homosexuals are normal or sinners or perverts (which would be a truly bizarre accusation coming from anyone in the BDSM scene)

Thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing that out. I've found it darkly amusing to be reading all this on a BDSM website.

You’re welcome. I’ve always been a believer that if something is shaped like a duck, walks like a duck, and makes a noise like a duck – odds are it’s a duck. You should have seen the way some of the Goreans went off on me when I said that the Gorean lifestyle is BDSM!

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/29/2006 9:18:16 AM

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Remember, if homosexuals get married Jesus will cry and babies will burst into flames. Are you sure you want a chronicly-depressed Jesus on your hands??

"or C) go to a civilised country (like Canada) and get married"

*starts packing his bags* Way ahead of you.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/29/2006 9:41:27 AM

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I really don't care and am getting fed up with what Holy Rollers say.
I couldn't care less about whether two men or women want to get married.
I mean how does that "affect" anyone else?

Always keep a pot of boiling water on the stove when the Holy Rollers are in the neighborhood.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/29/2006 9:46:44 AM

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I went on something of a posting spree last night and apologize if I gabbed too much for one person. But at least I got rid of that damned ice cream cone!

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/29/2006 9:49:54 AM

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Remember, if homosexuals get married Jesus will cry

LOL, Paradoxy!

Seriously, though, I honestly think he'd be quite pleased.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/29/2006 9:55:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Earlier today, my family buried a lesbian aunt. Mom, who was with her when she died, told me two stories that might speak to this thread. Seconds after my aunt died, the doctor barged in and asked who was the next of kin. My aunt's partner introduced herself and explained that she had power of attorney. The doctor replied, "Well, that expired when she died. Now who's an actual relative?"

Then came the funeral parlor. After the partner had signed all the papers, just as a widow/er would, the funeral director discreetly took my cousin aside and asked her to sign too. The mother-child relationship was clearly more legally real to him than that between my aunt and her beloved partner.

Would that ever have happened to a straight married person who'd just lost his/her spouse?

First, I am sorry for your loss. Second, no it wouldn't have.

I remember when my partner and I were together, and during the Terry S. ordeal, we were also trying to have a baby. So much was happening, but we were thinking, what if the unthinkable happened, and she passed while having the baby. I knew what she wanted, but I couldn't have done anything to stop it.

It's such a scary situation to be in, and partners of many, many years together face this everyday, it breaks my heart. I remember in the movie, "If These Walls Could Talk 2", the first story is about a couple that had been together for I think over 30 yrs.. After one of them died, the family came in and took the house, took the money, took everything. That is a lot of times how it works. There are certain legal things that can be done, but they can be fought, or in the case it looks like with your family, pretty much trumped.

I guess no one wants to ruin that sacred thing though, you know the one, the one that Britney Spears used for a few weeks, or the one that is used to just stay in a country legally, or that was used by Anna Nicole for a billionare that she loved so much(she could have, I suppose), or heck, even Elizabeth Taylor for, what, eight or nine times? No, we wouldn't want to let those gay people that have raised kids together against many odds for 30 yrs get married and mess that all up.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/29/2006 11:20:52 AM

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Are you sure you want a chronicly-depressed Jesus on your hands??

As long as Tom Cruise has nothing to say about it, there are medications which
Jesus can take to deal with chronic depression.

I would have thought being nailed to a tree for what other people did would be
depressing enough. So Kafkaesque.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/30/2006 3:47:34 PM

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If that's what you want to believe, have a nice night....

But honestly, your really not worth the energy.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/30/2006 7:57:37 PM

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When straight people get married. We have a husband and wife. What we have when two women marry each other or two men?

Just curious…

Here, in Massachusetts, regardless of whether straight or gay, on the marriage certificate the first spouse is now listed as "Party A" and the second spouse listed is "Party B".

i'm listed as "Party B".

We call me 'wife' and Him the 'Husband' when speaking of each other.

Between the two of us, and when speaking with other's who can relate well enough and accept/tolerate etc ect ....... He's the master and i'm the slave.

Who cares though? Really??

i'm His. That's all that matters to us as far as this topic and the OP is concerned.

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RE: Homosexual’s marriages… - 10/30/2006 9:29:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

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ORIGINAL: MistressCamille

Gays getting married doesn't change heterosexual marriage in any way.

Not saying you're wrong, but think on this little tidbit:

"Pedophilic rapists posing as Masters doesn't change BDSM in any way."

When a seemingly positive thing becomes associated with a seemingly negative thing, the people in the seemingly positive will always defend theirs against the seemingly negative, in order to not be lumped into the same group.

Yours,

benji

I hate to break it to you, Benji, I'm not sure how widely BDSM is viewed as "seemingly positive."

And as a gay man, I really appreciated being compared to a pedophiliac rapist. Thanks ever so much.