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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Hello,

I hate to micturate in anybodies corn flakes, but the issue here is deeper than what the hell you call the people in a homosexual coupling.

If I marry somebody with XX chromosomes, I pay less taxes, I can put her on my benefits plan at work (and vice versa), I can do all sorts of financially wonderful things.

If I marry somebody with XY chromosomes, none of the above happens.

Because of this, I think any law opposing gay marraige, and I have only seen religious groups in opposition, violates the separation of church and state clause in the United States constitution.

This is my own opinion here, but I really do NOT care who a person wants to settle down with and make a life with. I am stridently opposed to a government agency looking between their legs and determine what they need to file taxes as.  I am also opposed to the idea that two XX or XY people living together cannot claim the other person on their benefits.  Either you make it so nobody can, or you make it so everybody can.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Not.  The plural of mouse is mice.  The plural of louse is lice.  Hence the plural of spouse is spice.  I think a marriage between two lesbians would have spice.

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ORIGINAL: SlaveAkasha

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ToGiveDevine:My thanks to the people who responded from proving my point that if you get up in someone else's business, they're going to push back.

Why shouldn't someone push back if they feel they aren't able to live their lives with the same rights as everyone else?  Are they expected to just deal with the way things are, and not want them to change?
 
I don't think anyone should when it comes to civil rights for homosexuals anymore than so many did for African American rights, and Womens Rights.  As long as people are persecuted, they have a right to fight back and want their voices heard. 
 
It will be a sad world when they all just shut up and let things be, so that others don't get their panties in a wad.
 
Akasha

True.  I just voted to allow Gay unions in Arizona.
 
I think what the big problem is for most is semantics.  Marriage has always been between a male and female.
 
I have no problem giving same sex unions the exact same rights as het marriage.  I just hate to give up the word that defined a het marriage.  Maybe we hets need to think up a different word for our unions then.  It's a thought. 
 
I'm thinking.... "A-vowed" or something...

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ORIGINAL: TreSwank

Either a really clean, well-decorated house, or synchronized menstration.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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To begin with what they would be getting in Canada is a civil union.

Very true Twice, but since, in Canada at least, a religious marriage has no validity or legality on its own, it is the civil union that matters.

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The other method though is more controversial, even for the more reasonable people in the UK - as I have found in limited anecdotal experience at least. The second method allows the Birth Certificate to be changed, without the surgery and treatment, as long as the person can prove that they have lived in the adopted gender for a certain period. Of course, they will have the female gender identity in this case (for instance), but will retain the full physical features of their male birth sex. However, with the Birth Certificate changed - it is quite legal for this person to also marry a man and become his wife in the same way and to the same extent as any natural woman.

I really do not see a problem.  If people feel a particular sex, why should they be forced to live by stereotypical identity?  In a country which is at the moment, beginning to press for 'citizanship agendas' - I fail to see that this is in anyway different.  Being 'BRITISH' these days doesn't mean you have to be white.  So why does being 'female' have to mean having breasts?  Surely it is a state of mind?  (yes, I know there is the whole genetic code, but that can be the same for race) I have a friend who's child was born both sexes, yet her sex was chosen for her purely because of gentic makeup (she had a vagina and a higher amount of female hormones than male) - but it is pretty obvious now - 15 years later - they made the wrong choice... and now she will have to decide as she reaches adulthood which path she is to take.  In her own words, she is a girl and enjoys being a girl, but feels a like a boy inside.  There are many other people who feel like this.  If people want to change their identity, it doesn't mean they necessarily want to change their features.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

IMO, there is nothing really to be discussed in all this. If two people love each other, then whose business is it apart from theirs, what chromosomes they have? I find if I just look at it from the outside, (like I'm ET for instance - and yes, I see the resemblance too haha), it looks so crazy to say who can and who cant be together.

Until we get rid of the Churchianity culture though - the only thing that is causing the problems in this and in so many other areas of life - it will remain an "issue". I'm not Christian, no one I know is Christian (apart from here on CM), true Christians realise that Jesus death and resurrection is all thats vital, not who should marry et al. Yet we retain this Churchianity view of white, heterosexual, church attender = good, everyone else = bad, throughout our society - and worst of all, when most of us are the baddies according to that view. Its enmeshed in our culture, in our laws and everything.

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(...sssshhh - your not supposed to mention the word true ...)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

- it's all semantics, homosexuality is referred to as depraved and an abomination in the Bible where divorce is just bad - the use of such strong language produces strong feelings)

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ORIGINAL: Master96


When straight people get married. We have a husband and wife. What we have when two women marry each other or two men?

Just curious…

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

two human beings that love one another and wish to commit  to spending the rest of their life together

That is exactly how i feel!
 
Jewel's daughter and her life partner have to go to Cananda to get married and i think that is just wrong.

Marriage is a religious sacrament and homosexuality is not approved by the major religions.  So, if religion doesn't approve of your lifestyle then why would you want to be joined by a sacrament of the disapproving religion?

Why not get a civil union that provides the same benefits as marriage and be done with it?  Either A) you want alot of attention or B) you want to tear down religions because you don't agree with them.

If your goal is to tear down religion, then you deserve all the crap you get because most of the world's population believe in a supreme being and you are just wanting to fight the world.

Homosexuals don't like their beliefs to be questioned or attacked by religion, so why would you want to attack religion in return?  Someone has to be the bigger person, if it's not going to be the uber-religious, then maybe the homosexuals should take the higher ground.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

SirK - dont worry about the homosexuals taking over America. Surely the Jewish Conspiracy would never allow that? And then there's the Freemasons to take on too.

Not to mention the Whoeverelseisconspiringtorulebecausewedontunderstandthems.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

SirK - dont worry about the homosexuals taking over America. Surely the Jewish Conspiracy would never allow that? And then there's the Freemasons to take on too.

Not to mention the Whoeverelseisconspiringtorulebecausewedontunderstandthems.

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