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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:15:23 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Jose and Guadalupe Gonzalez cross the Rio Grande and have Cesar Gonzalez in an American hospital. They get jobs for $10 an hour mowing people's lawns and cleaning their houses, etc. You see this as a threat.

ATT lays off 15000 computer support jobs in the US and offshores them to Mumbai and it does not bother you in the slightest.

For me, I want to get the most effect out of my efforts. So I am going to go after ATT first.

Enjoy your efforts to close the porous Mexican border.

Sinergy


Its because you can't see the bigger picture....

I view BOTH with equal suspicion and disgust...actually.

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:17:19 PM   
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Just like they are starting over in Europe with the "European Union"



Yes. 

Anybody with half a brain can see how poorly Europe is doing having been combined into the EU.

They have a currency that is more stable than the US.

They have a more stable job market.

They no longer have customs and border disputes.

The problem with our forming a union with Mexico and Canada is exemplified by Bush putting tariffs on Canadian wood AFTER signing an agreement (NAFTA) to not do that sort of thing.

Which is not to say I am in favor of such a union, I simply dont see it in the same doom and gloom pessimism you do, sissifytoserve.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:17:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not even the ones with the H1B visas? Popeye was very thorough in explaining exactly how that works. Reguardless, we shouldn't allow any more legal immigrants over here because there are too many job shortages.

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:19:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I DEFINATELY view 4 to 10 million illegals as gloom and doom.

But whatever man.

Pretty soon most of us will be reduced to serfs on the plantation...not to worry. Just like Mexico.

You'll get your wish.




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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:20:07 PM   
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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:21:34 PM   
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Not even the ones with the H1B visas? Popeye was very thorough in explaining exactly how that works. Reguardless, we shouldn't allow any more legal immigrants over here because there are too many job shortages.


Yup....I know someone who was a Union Carpenter who was making a good wage building houses.

GUESS who took his job after he got "layed off"?

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:22:56 PM   
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You know most people here came from somewhere else, and eventually the children assimilated into the country at large... perhaps fully by the third generation, usually by the second. In California I have seen this process many many times. I know so many Mexican Americans that never learned Spanish... shocks I know, but it is true!

I have to say that in my opinion this is not about immigration, it is about the politics of difference. It is fear and hysteria that they will "take over" as sissy so aptly  (and honestly) put it. It is about race relations from my view, because the fear and total disregard for facts or even presenting of facts seems to me to be based upon buying into this ethnocntric and xenophobic thought process

People do not get this upset over things unless it is a fear based thing

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:23:15 PM   
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I DEFINATELY view 4 to 10 million illegals as gloom and doom.

But whatever man.

Pretty soon most of us will be reduced to serfs on the plantation...not to worry. Just like Mexico.

You'll get your wish.



Your attempts to personify this by attacking me personally, seem rather obtuse and argumentative to me.  I imagine you will believe whatever you want to believe about me, and I want to let you know that I really am not emotionally involved in your feelings.

Peace out

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Damn right its emotional.

Its both frightening and it makes you pissed off..if you can see what is happening.




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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:27:51 PM   
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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:29:06 PM   
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http://www.alipac.us/

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:33:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		These immigrants are coming in such large numbers that it's destroying our economy. How can one not panic with no job security?

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:35:47 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Im actually suprised its not happening more often.


http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=234856#234856

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:36:51 PM   
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Damn right its emotional.

Its both frightening and it makes you pissed off..if you can see what is happening.



Your feelings are not my feelings, sissifytoserve.

I am not angry or frightened.

Peace out

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:39:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		How can I not panic? Hun, I never expected "job security". I do not know who promised you any security in this life, but whoever they were, they were full of shit. Take what happiness you can, work for the betterment of all people, be kind and compassionate to others, and refuse to live in a fear based life... damn, none of us are getting out alive, enjoy it while you got it!

And btw, I am looking for a job at this time, and I live in a state that has many more immigrants than your own... I am not afraid. I would not waste my life like that.

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:42:24 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Status: offline 		Its called being AWARE and informed.

Pointing out and illustrating a problem for all to see is the first step in resolving it.

Instead of hiding your head under a rock..or in a TV set.

Close the borders.





< Message edited by sissifytoserve -- 10/20/2006 10:43:05 PM >

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:45:16 PM   
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Pointing out and illustrating a problem for all to see is the first step in resolving it.



And the second step would be?

And what did you do today to make that second step a reality?

Sinergy

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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:48:50 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Status: offline 		Throw any Politician out who supports illegal immigration for starters..be it Democrat or Republican.

EXPOSE what is actually happening at the border and make others aware of it.

Turn in known illegal aliens to local law enforcement.

Expose and criminally charge any corporation who knowingly hires an illegal alien.

All schools must have valid proof who is legal and illegal attending the PUBLICLY funded schools.

Much more can be done.



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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:54:07 PM   
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Its called being AWARE and informed.

Pointing out and illustrating a problem for all to see is the first step in resolving it.

Instead of hiding your head under a rock..or in a TV set.

Close the borders.






No, it is called ranting and raving. How many Mexicans do you know? Have you ever been around that culture? It is everywhere around me and I do not feel like you, so I cannot help but think that if you actually worked with these people, socialized with them, got to know them and what strong family values and strong work ethic they have as a people that you might not feel just a little less afraid of what they represent...

I quit listening to things like Alex Jones because of this very reason, he promoted fear and nothing positive comes from that.


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RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! - 10/20/2006 10:57:20 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Status: offline 		Actually, I'm surrounded by Puerto Ricans...mostly. I get along with them...and i do know that most of them are LEGAL...so I'm cool with that.

Ive asked some of them what they think of ILLEGAL immigration.....a lot of them don't like the idea either.

See...AGAIN...you are making this a RACIAL issue..when it has nothing to do with it.

It has to do with the RULE OF LAW.

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