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Hello A/all,
I was having a discussion on the phone with strumpet a while ago talking about the job market in that part of the state of California she lives in. Apparently, there are some jobs like picking spinach and scooping cow manure that dont pay particularly well and no American citizen wants to do them.
I pointed out to her that Cesar Chavez and the grape growers in California faced similar issues 60-80 years ago and they got around it by unionizing and demanding better working conditions for migrant workers.
United we bargain, divided we beg.
Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.
Sinergy
Sinergy, I agree. Years ago I was in a Union.
The problem is that everyone wants help but they don't want to pay the working man or woman anymore.
They want to drive Mercedes Benz's instead of Cadilacs.
In Capitalism if you can't find help you raise the pay rates until you can, not hire people who are in our country illegally at lower rates!
We're supposed to be a Capitalistic country but only the rich are doing well and they're doing well because they're breaking our laws!
It is not only that, popeye.
There is no actual law that says Pacific Bell cannot move their customer support center to Mumbai.
There is no actual law that says that Ford cannot have their cars made in China.
With NAFTA and CAFTA in place, there is no law that says that Dell cannot move their factories to Mexico.
To me, the issue is not about what is legal, the issue is about what is right.
Auto manufacturers in this country started to show a severe lag in auto sales around the time the Clinton era of prosperity was gutted by Monkeyboy and all those Americans now found their jobs disappearing. Happily, McDonalds was there to keep them out of the unemployed statistics so the people in Dumbfuckistan could believe that Monkeyboy was doing a bang-up job. But McDonalds does not pay enough to buy either a Cadillac made in China or a Mercedes Benz made in Alabama.
The reality of the situation is that when the investor money fled from the IT industry, and the jobs were offshored to Mumbai, all those people who were previously making nice wages doing computer jobs could no longer afford to buy cars, or computers, or go on vacations, or whatever. When auto manufacturers broke their unions, and cut the wages of the workers, these workers could no longer afford to buy things. When steel mills closed and left it up to China and Korea to make steel products for pennies on the dollar, all those people who had high paying jobs to support their families were now SOL.
Our prosperity was built on the backs of the people of America who worked for a living and built a strong economy. This has since been coopted by a bunch of greedy multinationalists who really dont care whether you or I starve as long as they get rich off it.
I was chatting with somebody a while ago who said that the older he got, the more the logic of "Compost the Rich" came unbidden to his mind.
Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.
Sinergy
Sinergy, very well said and I couldn't agree with you more!
As Julia said a while back only big business people were involved in that "NAFTA" We really do need to get out of that!
Twelve years now and it has turned out to be a MAJOR misstake!
I have no problem with a company moving overseas but if they do they should forfeit any right to sell or do any business in the U.S. (Ha, Ha) Funny, they want to move overseas and take all their jobs and equipment with them but they STILL think they should be able to have access to our market!
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