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sissifytoserve -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/22/2006 9:40:27 PM)
I was talking about the NEO-CONs who got in during Bush's reign of Terror.

sissifytoserve -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/22/2006 9:42:11 PM)
As far as the rest of them.... I don't care if they are Dems or repubs. If they supported Bush they should be thrown out on their sorry asses.

Archer -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/22/2006 9:47:11 PM)
Guess I should have just known that you shifted my "Republicans won the House" to your "neocons won the House". LOL

ShadowMster -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/22/2006 9:49:21 PM)
I can't make as blanket a statement. I'm no fan of George Bush, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. I support what George was trying to do, I just think he sucks in doing what he set out to. I'm don't think we should have envaded Iraq. There are far bigger fishto fry (if we want to pick a fight) but none of the others have Oil. I'd be thrilled if he stood up and said "it's not working like we wanted".. But alas, the president is so cocky in thinking he can never be wrong, this will never happen.

UtopianRanger -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/22/2006 11:46:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer The Congress going DEM again is scary as hell to me, but the Republicans deserve to get tossed on their butts a little bit here. Not for the reasons so many here want them tossed for but rather for turning into big spenders and big government politicians after they took over. The things that got them the house in the 90's are the same reasons they should lose the House this time around. Maybe if they lose this time they will remember what Fiscal Conservative means and they can come back in 08'. You make some good points here.....but I'm confused. If they've broken your trust with regard to over-spending and increasing the size of the government, what's really left to like about them or defend them for? What have they done for you that have made you want to defend them? Eighty percent want the borders closed....they won't do it....they know better that you ; they're against it They've tried to let a foreign government with ties to terrorism manage our ports. They've replaced a lot of military personal with private contractors at ten times the expense to the tax payers. They've made every attempt in the world to diminish the rights of individual states and strengthen the federal government’s power base - Contrary to Republican philosophy. C'mon Archer....tell me what you like about these guys? - R

popeye1250 -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 12:20:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve As far as the rest of them.... I don't care if they are Dems or repubs. If they supported Bush they should be thrown out on their sorry asses. Me too! And that would include Kerry and I believe Fat Boy Kennedy. Kennedy has been in the Senate for 44 YEARS now! Talk about term limits. Let's see if the dummys in Massachusetts (My home state) have the smarts to get rid of (him) next month too. I think all the little old ladies with the velvet elvis rugs that have pictures of John, & Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King hanging up on their rent-controlled walls have died off by now so they may have a chance.

LTRsubNW -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 3:52:23 AM)
It doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference whether the Democrats get control or the Republicans get control. If the Republicans gain control, taxes will be lowered, putting more money in the economy to spend, and less than wealthy people will have more work because wealthy people will have more to spend, they'll hire all kinds of less than wealthy people to build new buildings, summer homes and lots of new boats, generating millions of new jobs. If the Democrats gain control, taxes will go up, putting more money in the economy to spend and less than wealthy people will have more work because the government will have more money to build new roads, and since the wealthy own the road building companies among others, this will enable the wealthy to build new buildings, summer homes and lots of new boats, generating millions of new jobs. The difference is, the wealthy really couldn't care less who's in power because they know how to make money either way...everyone else wastes vauable time worrying about who will be in power. (Yepper...when the Democrats/Republicans/Independents/Whigs/Torries get in...that'll show em).

cuddleheart50 -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 3:57:45 AM)
I sure do worry about it.

Archer -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 5:56:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger quote: ORIGINAL: Archer The Congress going DEM again is scary as hell to me, but the Republicans deserve to get tossed on their butts a little bit here. Not for the reasons so many here want them tossed for but rather for turning into big spenders and big government politicians after they took over. The things that got them the house in the 90's are the same reasons they should lose the House this time around. Maybe if they lose this time they will remember what Fiscal Conservative means and they can come back in 08'. You make some good points here.....but I'm confused. If they've broken your trust with regard to over-spending and increasing the size of the government, what's really left to like about them or defend them for? What have they done for you that have made you want to defend them? Eighty percent want the borders closed....they won't do it....they know better that you ; they're against it They've tried to let a foreign government with ties to terrorism manage our ports. They've replaced a lot of military personal with private contractors at ten times the expense to the tax payers. They've made every attempt in the world to diminish the rights of individual states and strengthen the federal government’s power base - Contrary to Republican philosophy. C'mon Archer....tell me what you like about these guys? - R If the Republicans returned to fiscal conservatism then something could be said for them. I have no faith at all that the Democrates have ha a real political change of heart to being fiscal conservaties, there are some talking the talk a little in the Democratic party, but it'll take more than a couple terms in the Houseto convince me they have changed that much. As to actually liking Republicans, I tend to vote Libertarian anytime I get the chance and will continue to do so. The mistake you make is to believe that I defend the Republicans. The reality is I am a fiscal conservative beyond what the Republicans ever dreamt of, even whe they were at their most conservative fiscally. My hell is that while I am a fiscal conservative, that tends to force me into the camp of people who have other platform beliefs that I disagree with greatly. All the Religious conservatism that has coopted the Republican Party sickens me to no end. If I could replace them all and shift control to the Libertarians I would in nothing flat and then I'd still be bitchin about a lack of military spending from them. but that's not a realistic option to hope for really. Republicans when they focus on fiscal matters are the lesser of two evils to me is all.

CrappyDom -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 6:28:05 AM)
How Republicans can support Bush is beyond me. Under Clinton, the dow enjoyed double digit growth, under Bush it is vastly lower. Job growth under clinton was two or three times what it is under Bush. Wages in real dollars went up for the ONLY time in the last four decades and has at times FALLEN under Bush. Government spending as a percentage of GDP is VASTLY higher under Bush, in other words, he is running and FDR program of spending but in this case, to help the rich and fuck the poor. They have created much of the foundation for a police state, they have radically increased the size of government, the have greatly increased the power of the feds over the states. In short, they are doing exactly what they SAY Democrats do and Democrats actually do much of what Republicans PRETEND they do.

UtopianRanger -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 7:36:31 AM)
I'm a fiscal conservative myself. These guys have ruined it for years to come. The work it will take to change all these false stereo types is insurmountable. Oversight and accountability just took three steps backwards. - R

LotusSong -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 7:42:35 AM)
As long as he has his little signature statements.. it doesn't seem to matter what passes or fails the congress as he can sign off on it and do as he will. We need to impeach the bastard. I used to think we were being led by a Napoleonic personality.. but it has become apparent that he is more of a Captain Ahab obsessed with Moby Dick.

Amaros -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 7:43:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer LOL WTF recheck your history they won the HOUSE during CLINTON's reign, Remember Contract with America, Newt Gingrich, Ballanced Budget. Terrorists wasn't even on the public's top 100 concerns at the time????? At least make the comments fit the facts. So what exactly did happen to you guys?

Archer -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 7:59:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Amaros quote: ORIGINAL: Archer LOL WTF recheck your history they won the HOUSE during CLINTON's reign, Remember Contract with America, Newt Gingrich, Ballanced Budget. Terrorists wasn't even on the public's top 100 concerns at the time????? At least make the comments fit the facts. So what exactly did happen to you guys? You guys doesn't apply since I am libertarian in viewpoint for most things, I seem more conservative that I actually am here because the sample is scewed on this list. As to what happened to the Republicans as fiscal conservatives, they lost their drive for ballancing the budget when they got into power and they smelled the pork. BTW pork is simply another method of buying votes and we as a total populace tend to fall for it repeatedly and without fail. If the House Rep for our district brings Federal money home to our district in the form of jobs we vote them right back in. Funny how pork tends to only be a bad thing when the person speaking isn't getting any. LOL Which is part of the reason I will not be devisated if the Republicans lose this election in the House. The result will be time for the Democrats to show their "dedication" to balancing the budget. (which will no doubt be little to none) and make the 08 elections more interesting all around. If the Republicans squeek by with control then they will retain all the public blame for the budget. If they lose then the Democrats will have to share the blame.

ToGiveDivine -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 8:35:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve Pelosi is a Joe Liberman (Spineless) "I support president Bush" Democrat as far as im concerned. What alternate universe do you live in?

Sinergy -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 8:55:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW If the Republicans gain control, taxes will be lowered, putting more money in the economy to spend, and less than wealthy people will have more work because wealthy people will have more to spend, they'll hire all kinds of less than wealthy people to build new buildings, summer homes and lots of new boats, generating millions of new jobs. Whoever wins control in the next election is going to be faced with cleaning up 8 years of profligate spending by a bunch of idiotic and incompetent people, a government that has given multiple tax cuts to the super rich, interest payments on the doubling of the national debt amassed by the previous administrations, and everything else. The tax cuts benefitted people like Dick Cheney who do nothing to invest their money back into the infrastructure of our country, with the possible exception of hiring illegal immigrants to mow his lawns. So what will happen is whoever wins the next election, both in Congress and the Presidency, is going to be faced with digging our way out of the disaster that Monkeyboy has bequeathed upon us. We will then get to listen to the Republicans ranting and raving incoherently about the fact that it is the fault of the Democrats that our country is in such a mess. The sad thing is that the quote I posted leads me to believe the poster still believes in the lies told by the Simian In Chief and his ilk. I heard on the news today that Senator Barak Obama is considering a bid for the White House. One can only hope. He seems to have a functioning frontal lobe in his brain, unlike the ignorant lunatics currently in charge of the asylum. Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy

Level -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 9:34:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong As long as he has his little signature statements.. it doesn't seem to matter what passes or fails the congress as he can sign off on it and do as he will. We need to impeach the bastard. I used to think we were being led by a Napoleonic personality.. but it has become apparent that he is more of a Captain Ahab obsessed with Moby Dick. Impeachment is one of the worst thing the Democrats could do, right behind reading Das Kapitol on camera.

CrappyDom -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 9:39:03 AM)
Obama is a hack, a good looking one that can READ fine speeches but I have yet to see him take anything but a carefully nuanced stance on anything, one designed to sound reasonable but in fact simply politically safe. He has no real experience, zero foreign policy experience, his only advantage politically, is he hasn't been in congress long enough to be tied to much.

ToGiveDivine -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 10:33:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons Yes, my reading on the upcoming election indicates the same. Bush will not be the President in 2008. (You heard it here first) Actually, I imagine what will happen in the next year is an attempt by the Republican controlled congress, assuming they have one next month, to get rid of the term limits amendment to the US Constitution. If they had tried it a year ago they would have been able to push it through. Call me Mr. DoomNGloom, but I also would not be overly shocked if Monkeyboy didnt try to come up with some cock-eyed scheme to modify the Constitutation to allow a "wartime president" to serve until the war ends. We will just have to see if Dumbfuckistan lets him get away with it. Sinergy Okay, I've voted for GW 4 times (I used to live in Texas - and believe it or not he did a pretty good job as Governor) The two times I voted for him for President was the opposing Candidates were worse than him; Gore said dumber things than Bush did ("I invented the Internet"; personally, I liked the SNL skit - "I invented pants!") and Kerry was too slick and WAY too left. I'm the "vote for the lessor of two evils kind of guy" and even though I don't think Bush is doing a great job, the thought of those other two yahoos as President makes me cringe. With that said, if they do change the law to allow Bush to run again, I don't want to have to vote for him again so the Democrats had better field a Moderate and not a seriously left-wing wacko like they have been. If you are driving across a bridge and you lean too far either left or right, the results are not very good - why can't we elect our leaders using the same rule of thumb?

CrappyDom -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 10:54:21 AM)
ToGiveDivine, Its good to see that the sheep are busy sucking up GOP talking points like Gore saying he invented the internet. The quote is taken grossly out of context and Gore DID do a lot to get the internet to where it became commerically useful. I say that as someone who would have voted for Dole over Gore. I don't mind Gore but his wife is a nutcase.

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