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Level -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 10:57:09 AM)
Gore, like most politicians, talked shit when he shouldn't have. shrugs I like Bob Dole too; I wonder how he and Kemp would have done, sometimes.

CrappyDom -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 10:58:05 AM)
The dems need to hold hearings on some of the more treasonous things the Republicans have done first. THEN go on to impeach Bush. I just read an interesting deal about Hastart taking Turkish heroin money that was quite compelling. Especially since Al Queda gets a big chunk of that money too and we finance so much of our black ops with heroin money and look the other way for a lot of others who profit on it. What the Dems need to do is expose not just the corruption but the corruption that comes at the expense of American security, do that first and America will demand that Bush be impeached.

Sinergy -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 11:26:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine Okay, I've voted for GW 4 times (I used to live in Texas - and believe it or not he did a pretty good job as Governor) Would you care to elaborate on what "did a pretty good job as governor" actually means? The only thing I have heard said positive about his term as Governor, in the minds of those who said it, was that he signed more death orders for people on death row than anybody before him. On the other hand, he and his systematically gutted environmental protections, labor laws, etc., etc. Kinda the same thing he has done to the US. Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy

Lordandmaster -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 11:28:14 AM)
I believe it not. quote: ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine Okay, I've voted for GW 4 times (I used to live in Texas - and believe it or not he did a pretty good job as Governor)

popeye1250 -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 11:54:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom How Republicans can support Bush is beyond me. Under Clinton, the dow enjoyed double digit growth, under Bush it is vastly lower. Job growth under clinton was two or three times what it is under Bush. Wages in real dollars went up for the ONLY time in the last four decades and has at times FALLEN under Bush. Government spending as a percentage of GDP is VASTLY higher under Bush, in other words, he is running and FDR program of spending but in this case, to help the rich and fuck the poor. They have created much of the foundation for a police state, they have radically increased the size of government, the have greatly increased the power of the feds over the states. In short, they are doing exactly what they SAY Democrats do and Democrats actually do much of what Republicans PRETEND they do. Crappy Dom, Bill was good for the economy; BILL GATES! We could have had Pee Wee Herman in the White House and the 90's would have been great economically. It really didn't matter who was in then.

ToGiveDivine -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:01:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom ToGiveDivine, Its good to see that the sheep are busy sucking up GOP talking points like Gore saying he invented the internet. The quote is taken grossly out of context and Gore DID do a lot to get the internet to where it became commerically useful. I say that as someone who would have voted for Dole over Gore. I don't mind Gore but his wife is a nutcase. That's the other stupid thing Gore said (at his wedding) "I Do" ROFL Edited: Oh, by the way, that was an SNL talking point - that's where I heard the Internet thing first ;-P

ToGiveDivine -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:05:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom The dems need to hold hearings on some of the more treasonous things the Republicans have done first. THEN go on to impeach Bush. I just read an interesting deal about Hastart taking Turkish heroin money that was quite compelling. Especially since Al Queda gets a big chunk of that money too and we finance so much of our black ops with heroin money and look the other way for a lot of others who profit on it. What the Dems need to do is expose not just the corruption but the corruption that comes at the expense of American security, do that first and America will demand that Bush be impeached. And the Clinton campaign took money from the Chinese Government - you always try to make it sound like the Democrats have some kind of moral high ground when they are just as low as Republicans in lying, graft, and stupid decisions.

ToGiveDivine -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:08:02 PM)
During GW's tenure in Texas, violent crime rates dropped, the economy was good, job growth was good, and he didn't screw anything up real bad. For ANY politician, that's a reasonably good job.

Level -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:10:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine During GW's tenure in Texas, violent crime rates dropped, the economy was good, job growth was good, and he didn't screw anything up real bad. For ANY politician, that's a reasonably good job. I don't remember anything particulary good or bad about W's time here, but his jackass 2nd-in-command, Governor Hairdo, is a dipshit of the highest order.

CrappyDom -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:19:44 PM)
I don't "try" and do anything, it is simply a statement of facts. If you want to put trading with the enemy (Raygun, Bush Sr, and now Hastert) on a par with putting China on the path she is today, sorry but I would embrace the latter and prosecute the former. At the time I despised Clinton for being so "weak" with China but in hindsight, his policies made China into a modern nation with a middle class that provides a huge force for moderation of Chinese policies. Besides, if you look at the level of "corruption" under Clinton, almost ANY of the Republican corruption scandals is bigger, combine them and they dwarf all corruption combined in this century from both sides of the isle. Just because you cannot see that Bush and his allies have strip mined the assets of this country, doesn't mean that the rest of us are as ignorant or blind. Just the 8 billion in cash that went missing in Iraq would do that, doesnt' count the almost $400,000,000,000 that they blew when they invaded the wrong country and then fucked even that up.

ToGiveDivine -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:28:43 PM)
CrappyDom, You are one of those political zealots that are the problem in this country. You are so busy hyping your party and vilifying the other party that you can't even see that both parties are doing the same damn thing and those of us in the middle are getting screwed. If you really think the Democrats are the answer to all our problems, then I hope the fantasy you live in is a boat load of fun. (Same to those of you that think the Republicans are the answer too) Basically, your points are irrelevant to making things better for us.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:41:15 PM)
But they're not. When was the last time the Democrats proposed tax breaks designed to benefit the top 1% of the population? Saying that the two parties are identical is just as exaggerated a position as saying that one or the other party is correct in all things. quote: ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine You are so busy hyping your party and vilifying the other party that you can't even see that both parties are doing the same damn thing and those of us in the middle are getting screwed.

ToGiveDivine -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:48:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster But they're not. When was the last time the Democrats proposed tax breaks designed to benefit the top 1% of the population? Saying that the two parties are identical is just as exaggerated a position as saying that one or the other party is correct in all things. quote: ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine You are so busy hyping your party and vilifying the other party that you can't even see that both parties are doing the same damn thing and those of us in the middle are getting screwed. You are kidding me, right? Have you seen the tax laws? To whom do a lion's share of the "loop holes" benefit? (Answer: The richest Americans) Who put all these loop holes in the tax law? (Answer: Both Parties over decades of changes) As for the tax break benefiting the top 1% ... how did CrappyDom refer to that ... "sucking up talking points" - math lesson folks - 5% of $10,000,000 is alot more than 5% on $1,000 - if you have more money to start with, you get more money back on a percentaged based tax break. That "top 1%" BS is for political purposes - both parties are giving the rich a break because it means more money in their campaign funds from happy rich people.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:53:32 PM)
The tax breaks in the 2001 tax bill benefit rich people disproportionately. It wasn't as though everyone got a 5% tax break and the rich happened to benefit more from it because they were richer to begin with. If you're SERIOUSLY interested in the economics of the 2001 tax cut, I can suggest plenty of things for you to read, but judging from what you've been saying in this thread, I don't think you're really serious. quote: ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine As for the tax break benefiting the top 1% ... how did CrappyDom refer to that ... "sucking up talking points" - math lesson folks - 5% of $10,000,000 is alot more than 5% on $1,000 - if you have more money to start with, you get more money back on a percentaged based tax break.

Archer -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:57:24 PM)
The differences lie in what part of the citizens lives they feel the citizens themselves can competently run their own affairs. Both parties have aspects of our lives they think they can run better than we can. But don't let that fool you into believeing that either of them doesn't think they can run our lives better than we can.

CrappyDom -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:58:35 PM)
L&M, Have you read Perfectly Legal? It is a book on taxes put out by a NYT reporter and it is amazing. During the 2000 campaign, the Bush website had a little calculater you could input some basic figures and get how much you would "save" under Bush's tax plan. The only problem is it completely ignored the AMT which because it hasn't been adjusted for inflation is nailing more and more middle class wage earners. In other words, they lied but that shouldn't be news to you.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 1:59:05 PM)
quote: When was the last time the Democrats proposed tax breaks designed to benefit the top 1% You could have ended that question at the underlined/bold section and gotten the same answer.

CrappyDom -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 2:03:33 PM)
Archer, I hate to put an arrow through your apple, but very very few people buy that line of "both parties are the same" after six years of Bush. The Democrats only appear to be saints when they stand next to Republicans. They are clearly different although few would argue perfect. What is different about this election is the Republicans have made such a mess of all the things they brag about that their usual lies and smear tactics aren't working. If they hadn't lied about Iraq all along and refused to face facts, they would likely be winning right now even if Iraq wasn't any better. People just don't believe them anymore, they cried wolf way too many times.

popeye1250 -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 2:07:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom I don't "try" and do anything, it is simply a statement of facts. If you want to put trading with the enemy (Raygun, Bush Sr, and now Hastert) on a par with putting China on the path she is today, sorry but I would embrace the latter and prosecute the former. At the time I despised Clinton for being so "weak" with China but in hindsight, his policies made China into a modern nation with a middle class that provides a huge force for moderation of Chinese policies. Besides, if you look at the level of "corruption" under Clinton, almost ANY of the Republican corruption scandals is bigger, combine them and they dwarf all corruption combined in this century from both sides of the isle. Just because you cannot see that Bush and his allies have strip mined the assets of this country, doesn't mean that the rest of us are as ignorant or blind. Just the 8 billion in cash that went missing in Iraq would do that, doesnt' count the almost $400,000,000,000 that they blew when they invaded the wrong country and then fucked even that up. Crappy, yup, you're right about Clinton's policies making China into a modern nation with a middle class. Someone should have whispered into his ear; "Psst, Ahhh,...... you're the President of the UNITED STATES, NOT CHINA!" Look what's happened to our Middle Class under Clinton and Bush and NAFTA and all the other " Free Trade" policies.

GentlehandSTL -> RE: Defeat looms for Bush and the Neo-cons (10/23/2006 2:08:14 PM)
Why do all the ‘tax cuts’ go to the top 10% of earners? They are the ones paying all the taxes. Don’t believe me, look it up. Also the basic premise of the thread just might not be true. Not from what I’m seeing

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