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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

Okay, I've voted for GW 4 times (I used to live in Texas - and believe it or not he did a pretty good job as Governor)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

Okay, I've voted for GW 4 times (I used to live in Texas - and believe it or not he did a pretty good job as Governor)

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

How Republicans can support Bush is beyond me.  Under Clinton, the dow enjoyed double digit growth, under Bush it is vastly lower.  Job growth under clinton was two or three times what it is under Bush.  Wages in real dollars went up for the ONLY time in the last four decades and has at times FALLEN under Bush.  Government spending as a percentage of GDP is VASTLY higher under Bush, in other words, he is running and FDR program of spending but in this case, to help the rich and fuck the poor.

They have created much of the foundation for a police state, they have radically increased the size of government, the have greatly increased the power of the feds over the states.

In short, they are doing exactly what they SAY Democrats do and Democrats actually do much of what Republicans PRETEND they do.

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

ToGiveDivine,

Its good to see that the sheep are busy sucking up GOP talking points like Gore saying he invented the internet.  The quote is taken grossly out of context and Gore DID do a lot to get the internet to where it became commerically useful.  I say that as someone who would have voted for Dole over Gore.  I don't mind Gore but his wife is a nutcase.

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

The dems need to hold hearings on some of the more treasonous things the Republicans have done first.  THEN go on to impeach Bush.

I just read an interesting deal about Hastart taking Turkish heroin money that was quite compelling.  Especially since Al Queda gets a big chunk of that money too and we finance so much of our black ops with heroin money and look the other way for a lot of others who profit on it.

What the Dems need to do is expose not just the corruption but the corruption that comes at the expense of American security, do that first and America will demand that Bush be impeached.

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

During GW's tenure in Texas, violent crime rates dropped, the economy was good, job growth was good, and he didn't screw anything up real bad.

For ANY politician, that's a reasonably good job.

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

You are so busy hyping your party and vilifying the other party that you can't even see that both parties are doing the same damn thing and those of us in the middle are getting screwed.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

But they're not.  When was the last time the Democrats proposed tax breaks designed to benefit the top 1% of the population?

Saying that the two parties are identical is just as exaggerated a position as saying that one or the other party is correct in all things.

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

You are so busy hyping your party and vilifying the other party that you can't even see that both parties are doing the same damn thing and those of us in the middle are getting screwed.

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

As for the tax break benefiting the top 1% ... how did CrappyDom refer to that ... "sucking up talking points" - math lesson folks - 5% of $10,000,000 is alot more than 5% on $1,000 - if you have more money to start with, you get more money back on a percentaged based tax break.

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When was the last time the Democrats proposed tax breaks designed to benefit the top 1%

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

I don't "try" and do anything, it is simply a statement of facts.  If you want to put trading with the enemy (Raygun, Bush Sr, and now Hastert) on a par with putting China on the path she is today, sorry but I would embrace the latter and prosecute the former.

At the time I despised Clinton for being so "weak" with China but in hindsight, his policies made China into a modern nation with a middle class that provides a huge force for moderation of Chinese policies. 

Besides, if you look at the level of "corruption" under Clinton, almost ANY of the Republican corruption scandals is bigger, combine them and they dwarf all corruption combined in this century from both sides of the isle.

Just because you cannot see that Bush and his allies have strip mined the assets of this country, doesn't mean that the rest of us are as ignorant or blind.  Just the 8 billion in cash that went missing in Iraq would do that, doesnt' count the almost $400,000,000,000 that they blew when they invaded the wrong country and then fucked even that up.