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(Remember, she could have lied and said 'yep, Sir i done did 'em all', and he would be none the wiser). 

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~fast reply to no one in particular~  it isn't that i have a problem with punishment, but the punishment should fit the crime.  50 wacks on my cunt with a 'pain stick' for forgetting to do my kegels is a bit extreme, imho.  (Remember, she could have lied and said 'yep, Sir i done did 'em all', and he would be none the wiser). 
 
 

I don't think its extreme. I was beaten with a belt across my ass for almost 10 minutes once simply because I told him that I was not going to go down a girl; he kept going till I complied.  Not no little whacks either. He meant every strike that hit me.

Maybe for you it is, but for others, it might be lenient. Everyone is different and everyone is treated differently.

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Wow SlaveAkasha, he slapped you? Spanking is fine, but for a male to slap a female in the face.......I think I'd be calling him a woman abuser.

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Wow SlaveAkasha, he slapped you? Spanking is fine, but for a male to slap a female in the face.......I think I'd be calling him a woman abuser.

Why?  What makes a slap to the face abuse and a slap to the ass ok?

~stef

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Wow SlaveAkasha, he slapped you? Spanking is fine, but for a male to slap a female in the face.......I think I'd be calling him a woman abuser.

Why?  What makes a slap to the face abuse and a slap to the ass ok?

~stef

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It is not a "given" that one would have to tolerate such as having their genital region battered with a pain stick. It would not make me one iota more submissive to have to endure this in my mind, and I think that this perspective is important to share.

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There are many that derive a sense of attonement from punishment, that the slate it wiped clean. I can imagine this is a deep thing for them, and I am not poo pooing it. Many of us do not have that attonement thing going on.

Edited to add, I am a masochist, and we have our own edges we explore that others find slightly nuts... but that is play, not punishment...I enjoy it.

I offer my opinion that these statements seem at odds. You use strong words to clearly illustrate your discomfort and dislike of physical punishment - indeed, using strong words as "battered" makes what I did sound abusive. While I have no problem with anyone's opinion - if we are speaking to "novices" then it must be made clear that things done within a RACK (Risk Aware Consensual Kink) perspective are not abusive.

Kindest regards,
EO

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Wow SlaveAkasha, he slapped you? Spanking is fine, but for a male to slap a female in the face.......I think I'd be calling him a woman abuser.

Why?  What makes a slap to the face abuse and a slap to the ass ok?

~stef

Because he is a man and she is a woman. Men shouldn't slap women in the face for the same reason parents shouldn't slap children in the face. There is too much difference in size and strength. Any man that hits a woman in the face  as punishment is forever relinquishing his manhood. In fact, if a man smacks a woman in the face in a crowded parking lot, he just might leave in an ambulance.

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I don't see anything wrong with what you did for a punishment.  This wasn't the first time you had tried, it was after multiple times of attempting to correct the behavior by other means.  That is how my Master does it also.  There was something I did last time we were together, it was something I was trying to learn not to say, or the correct way to say it.  I said it, then when I didn't know it was coming, I was slapped.  That got my attention right away, he then said what it was for, and I recognized I had said it.  From then on, I either said it the right way, or I caught myself in mid-sentence and and corrected myself.  At the time, it hurt, and I felt pretty low that I had let him down, but it did make me learn what was expected and that not doing it would result in swift punishment and correction.
 
Good example of how the punishment works best when it is fitted to match the exact infraction.  Good object lesson.  Letting the punishment fit the crime, is a good standard that i use even on my own young cohorts, works for me.  *grin
 
Then again i enjoy being slapped in the face for pleasure as well, but as you may well know, it feels different, and is meted out differently as to pressure and intensity, timing, etc., when it is a punishment. 
 

 
Master is patient with me, as long as I am really trying, but when I do something I shouldn't, I don't expect him to just let it go.  He probably could have used words to correct me a hundred more times, but nothing would have made me remember quite the same way as that did. 
 
Yup!
 
I know that Master would rather hand out pain for pleasure, than pain for punishment.  I am trying my best to make sure he doesn't have to punish again, but if he does, I know he is doing it because he loves me and only wants me to be my best.

Kewl beans Akasha, sounds like a healthy relationship you have there. *smile
 
 
Note: As for those quick to sling accusations of abuse around concerning this area of face slapping, for some of us, it is our HEALTHY and CONSENTUAL way of life.  You don't have to agree, but please be careful who you sling those accusatory terms at and say it to, for they are strong words that carry strong implications, and you have the potential to bring trouble to others, over your own personal opinion and not much else.  Granted that abusers also use face slapping but for sick reasons and not for pleasure as part of a consentual relationship. 

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I'm sorry, but in my opinion your dom is a woman abuser. Women should NEVER EVER be struck in the face by a man unless it's in fun (getting smacked in the head with a pillow during a pillow fight). If it's not in fun, then that's not punishment, it's abuse.

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I'm a firm believer in punishments fitting the crimes for the express purpose of having an opportunity to learn. If she remembers the lesson and not the punishment, then, to me, that's a successful teaching tool. If she remembers the punishment and not the lesson, then a different approach should be considered.

I still remember an extreme punishment which I received over 20 years ago and I doubt I'll forget it for as long as I have a few working brain cells. I can't for the life of me remember what I did to garner that punishment though. To me, that means it wasn't very effective as a learning tool.

Celeste

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I'm sorry, but in my opinion your dom is a woman abuser. Women should NEVER EVER be struck in the face by a man unless it's in fun (getting smacked in the head with a pillow during a pillow fight). If it's not in fun, then that's not punishment, it's abuse.

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I'm not judgemental. Most men swat women on the ass.....nobody thinks anything of it. Slapping a woman in the face is considered abuse. I see men swat women at night clubs all the time. If a man were to strike a woman in the face at that same club, he would be taken out back for a gang beating. I've seen it happen many times. No real man strikes a woman in the face, just like no decent parent strikes a child in the face.......it's abuse.

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I don't think its extreme. I was beaten with a belt across my ass for almost 10 minutes once simply because I told him that I was not going to go down a girl; he kept going till I complied.  Not no little whacks either. He meant every strike that hit me.

Maybe for you it is, but for others, it might be lenient. Everyone is different and everyone is treated differently.

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You were beaten for refusing to be bisexual? I wonder how he would feel if someone beat him for not sucking a man's cock. Maybe some people are into forced bisexuality, but I think such a thing is dangerous to a person's psychological well being.

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Wow SlaveAkasha, he slapped you? Spanking is fine, but for a male to slap a female in the face.......I think I'd be calling him a woman abuser.

Why?  What makes a slap to the face abuse and a slap to the ass ok?

~stef

Because he is a man and she is a woman. Men shouldn't slap women in the face for the same reason parents shouldn't slap children in the face. There is too much difference in size and strength. Any man that hits a woman in the face  as punishment is forever relinquishing his manhood. In fact, if a man smacks a woman in the face in a crowded parking lot, he just might leave in an ambulance.