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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 1:10:34 AM   
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Mexicans have been immigrating to the US for years. The job shortages started when immigrants came over here from India and the Middle East and when companies started outsourcing. Even worse, when the men  do come here, they treat women like shit. I've met plenty of friendly Mexicans. I have yet to meet a decent guy from India. Mexico isn't the problem.


How many Indians have you met? I know quite a few and though one never knows what goes on in private in any relationship anywhere, in the more traditional families the mothers are treated like a subbie's dream, in the younger modern generations the women are far more go getting than western women.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 1:57:26 AM   
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I have yet to meet a decent guy from India.



I have yet to meet a decent guy from northern Madagascar.  Then again, I have yet to meet any guy from there.

I think WTH? has a new profile here.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 3:28:01 AM   
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There has been much ranting in here about illegal immigrants coming from Mexico.  I just noticed a headline at CNN about a new fence Bush just signed for that will go along your border.  Do you think it will help?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/26/bush.immigration.ap/index.html


Nope, even if it got built (doubtful) it wouldn't help.  When there is a will, there is a way.  What would help, but isn't being done, is slapping heavy, heavy fines on those employing illegal aliens.  If there is no work to be found for those here illegally, the motivation to come decreases.



Nefertari, correct, and everyone agrees with you on that, at least all the people I talk to do.
It's already a Federal Felony to hire an illegal alien but a law is only a law if it's enforced.
Perhaps there'll be a new fad started by the young kids like burning down the businesses that hire illegals.
They could call it "Arson and Dragons" or something.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 8:51:05 AM   
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i have never met a decent gal from McPherson, does that mean there are none?

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Mexicans have been immigrating to the US for years. The job shortages started when immigrants came over here from India and the Middle East and when companies started outsourcing. Even worse, when the men  do come here, they treat women like shit. I've met plenty of friendly Mexicans. I have yet to meet a decent guy from India. Mexico isn't the problem.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:13:32 AM   
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I have yet to meet a decent guy from India.


How many men from India have you met?


My sister had a neighbor from India. He had a spoiled rotten wife and daughter whom he treated like princesses....




I've chatted with several immigrants from India. When I didn't answer their IM's fast enough, I was a whore, bitch, etc, etc. One of them threatened to send me a virus because I was multi-tasking and dared to not reply fast enough. When I mentioned the similarity of their bad attitudes to friends, I was told men from India are raised to treat women like shit.......it's a cultural thing. What kind of dangerous men  are we letting into our country? This isn't about race or color, it's about culture. While  Mexicans need to learn English, at least most of them are friendly toward Americans. Guys from India come over to the United States and treat Americans like shit. Instead of building a wall to keep friendly immigrants out, we need to keep the psychos out.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:18:24 AM   
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I want to try to understand youm so bear with me while I paraphrase.

You met some individuals online who claim to be from a certain country.  They made unreasonable demands and swore at you.  Friends of yours said this is typical of people from a specific country.  You take this as gospel truth and extend a stereotype across an entire 1 billion person country, and by contrast the remainder of the world must be great.

Is that what you meant?

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:18:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: orfunboi

i have never met a decent gal from McPherson, does that mean there are none?

quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Mexicans have been immigrating to the US for years. The job shortages started when immigrants came over here from India and the Middle East and when companies started outsourcing. Even worse, when the men  do come here, they treat women like shit. I've met plenty of friendly Mexicans. I have yet to meet a decent guy from India. Mexico isn't the problem.



I looked at your profile. Have you ever been to McPherson? Try going to a chatroom and talking to some guys from India. Hope you have good virus protection!!

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:24:31 AM   
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That went right over your head, didn't it? You want to judge an entire country based on your limited experience online....go for it. Just don't be surprised if your labeled a bigot.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:25:06 AM   
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I want to try to understand youm so bear with me while I paraphrase.

You met some individuals online who claim to be from a certain country.  They made unreasonable demands and swore at you.  Friends of yours said this is typical of people from a specific country.  You take this as gospel truth and extend a stereotype across an entire 1 billion person country, and by contrast the remainder of the world must be great.

Is that what you meant?

Yours,


benji


I never would have thought that if I hadn't been told it's typical of their culture. When several people experience the same attitude problem with people from the same culture and I'm told it's common, then yes it bothers me.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:28:39 AM   
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So if I go to a skinhead convention and ask them about the Jews, I should believe them, because it's several people with similar experiences?

And do these friends have real life experience or only online?

Cuz I'm an ass online too.....

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benji the assholish Canadian

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:32:08 AM   
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That went right over your head, didn't it? You want to judge an entire country based on your limited experience online....go for it. Just don't be surprised if your labeled a bigot.


If I was a bigot, I would hate anyone who wasn't white which is not the case. I'm not prejudice against Mexicans, Native Americans, or African Americans. Am I also a bigot to be against Islamic cultures where a family will kill a woman who is raped and call it an "honor killing?"

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:32:41 AM   
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I've chatted with several Americans from India. When I didn't answer their IM's fast enough, I was a whore, bitch, etc, etc. One of them threatened to send me a virus because I was multi-tasking and dared to not reply fast enough. When I mentioned the similarity of their bad attitudes to friends, I was told men from America are raised to treat women like shit.......it's a cultural thing. What kind of dangerous men  are we letting into our country? This isn't about race or color, it's about culture. While  Mexicans need to learn English, at least most of them are friendly toward Indians. Guys from America come over to the India and treat Indians like shit. Instead of building a wall to keep friendly immigrants out, we need to keep the psychos out


I reversed Indian and American to make a point in your post

If you have ever been around a bunch of teenage early 20s men in America,  this statement would fit MANY of them to a tee, not all but many of them.

I have had Indians message me in Yahoo while in chat, I told them I was not interested in them and they went away... actually Indians can be very polite. As far as how they treat their women, most women all over the world lack rights, it is not an Indian thing, and this also does not mean that just because women do not have certain rights they are all treated like shit. What is means is that they can be treated like shit legally, but not that they are necessarily.

It was not that long ago that women could be sexually harassed with impunity here, we could not vote, we could not divorce our husbands, just 100 years ago women would have their clitoris removed for masturbating ... in the good USA. Sexism is still a problem here, and women are still victims of sexual assault and domestic violence with some regularity. Now why don't you bring those cultural values to light? We are no better than anyone else except in the legal rights we give women and that has wrought change... but it is still slow in coming for many women that live in fear every day here.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:46:02 AM   
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So if I go to a skinhead convention and ask them about the Jews, I should believe them, because it's several people with similar experiences?

And do these friends have real life experience or only online?

Cuz I'm an ass online too.....


Yours,


benji the assholish Canadian


I'd love to meet someone decent from India, but from what I've seen the Mexicans are much friendlier. I'm just scared of the cultures in countries like India and Iraq. The type of culture people grow up in affect how they are. Killing a woman who was raped is an honor........oh and let's not forget Nigeria where a woman was stoned to death for giving birth to a child outside of marriage. At least in US, such practices are against the law. But people are coming over here that were raised to think this kind of behavior is ok.......after all it's legal in their country. Doesn't that put our own country in danger?

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:48:00 AM   
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I'd love to meet someone decent from India, but from what I've seen the Mexicans are much friendlier. I'm just scared of the cultures in countries like India and Iraq. The type of culture people grow up in affect how they are. Killing a woman who was raped is an honor........oh and let's not forget Nigeria where a woman was stoned to death for giving birth to a child outside of marriage. At least in US, such practices are against the law. But people are coming over here that were raised to think this kind of behavior is ok.......after all it's legal in their country. Doesn't that put our own country in danger?


Women are murdered by their significant others all the time here, do you pay attention to the news at all?

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:50:19 AM   
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Sinergy, again I agree with you about that POS Bush.
If he actually wanted to close that border all he has to do is put U.S. Troops along that border then declare Martial Law along the entire length of it.
After a few dozen are shot down no-one would take the chance anymore.
The whole solution to that problem is "Boots on the Ground."
However, there needs to be a certainty that people who sneak into our country will be deported.
We can't do that with 2,200 INS agents.
Congress should vote for and fund 50,000 INS agents.
Most of the people caught and deported aren't caught by the INS (I.C.E. I think they call it now, I've been retired for a few years.)
they're caught by local and state police dept's for something as simple as not having a driver's liscense. Or bouncing a check or things other than being an illegal alien.
But when they combine the two then they can jail them on an immigration hold indefinately.
But, it's really a very simple matter to close that border but Bush doesn't want to because too many of his rich buddies are getting richer off of it.

Popeye you are quite correct ... tho add to that the pc police depts who are NOT ALLOWED to ask abt the legal citizenship of someone they arrest!  Although, there are those arrested & deported who return illegally only to commit additional crimes ... & you wind up with a dead cop (recent events here in Houston).  Especially due to the political correctness that is rapidly ruining this country & the career politicians who won't do a dayumed real thing abt any real problem, there is a fast-growing movement afoot ... www.FIREcoatition.com ... does not abdicate vigilante actions, but more, manipulation of the corrupt system to work as it should have from the beginning.  FIREcoalition is putting "Boots on the Ground" (I LOVE that!) in so many ways ... everything from reporting companies that hire illegals (yes, I specifically know of companies reported thru FIREcoalition & www.wehireillegalaliens.com & www.usborderwatch.com that have been investigated,  heavily fined & the illegal "employees" are detained & deported) to assisting the border patrol with patrolling the border.  We are in the midst of a governor election here in Texas; the politicians are trying to make this a non-issue (read Rick Perry, Bush's lackey).  There is one candidate who doesn't shy away from this issue or any other ... Kinky Friedman (NOT a politician).  He wants to put the Texas Rangers & the Texas National Guard on the border to patrol.  He's actually realistic enough to know there's no counting on the federal government for a dayumed answer.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:55:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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I've chatted with several Americans from India. When I didn't answer their IM's fast enough, I was a whore, bitch, etc, etc. One of them threatened to send me a virus because I was multi-tasking and dared to not reply fast enough. When I mentioned the similarity of their bad attitudes to friends, I was told men from America are raised to treat women like shit.......it's a cultural thing. What kind of dangerous men  are we letting into our country? This isn't about race or color, it's about culture. While  Mexicans need to learn English, at least most of them are friendly toward Indians. Guys from America come over to the India and treat Indians like shit. Instead of building a wall to keep friendly immigrants out, we need to keep the psychos out


I reversed Indian and American to make a point in your post

If you have ever been around a bunch of teenage early 20s men in America,  this statement would fit MANY of them to a tee, not all but many of them.

I have had Indians message me in Yahoo while in chat, I told them I was not interested in them and they went away... actually Indians can be very polite. As far as how they treat their women, most women all over the world lack rights, it is not an Indian thing, and this also does not mean that just because women do not have certain rights they are all treated like shit. What is means is that they can be treated like shit legally, but not that they are necessarily.

It was not that long ago that women could be sexually harassed with impunity here, we could not vote, we could not divorce our husbands, just 100 years ago women would have their clitoris removed for masturbating ... in the good USA. Sexism is still a problem here, and women are still victims of sexual assault and domestic violence with some regularity. Now why don't you bring those cultural values to light? We are no better than anyone else except in the legal rights we give women and that has wrought change... but it is still slow in coming for many women that live in fear every day here.


I agree with your statement about America's past, but what good will it do to bring men over here who still think women should have no rights? That only means more women will get treated like shit. We have enough problems with domestic violence as it is, why bring people over here who will compound the problem?

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:55:41 AM   
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If I was a bigot, I would hate anyone who wasn't white which is not the case. I'm not prejudice against Mexicans, Native Americans, or African Americans. Am I also a bigot to be against Islamic cultures where a family will kill a woman who is raped and call it an "honor killing?"


Wow.  With one stroke of the pen you just rid the world of bigots.  I mean, no one hates ALL minorities, right?  And bigots do.  Therefore, it's okay to hate MOST minorities, provided you shake hands with a token black guy.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:58:40 AM   
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Wow.  With one stroke of the pen you just rid the world of bigots.  I mean, no one hates ALL minorities, right?  And bigots do.  Therefore, it's okay to hate MOST minorities, provided you shake hands with a token black guy.

LMFAO!!!!  benji you always tickle me!!

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 9:59:03 AM   
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I agree with your statement about America's past, but what good will it do to bring men over here who still think women should have no rights? That only means more women will get treated like shit. We have enough problems with domestic violence as it is, why bring people over here who will compound the problem?


She aint saying bring 'em over to help us beat our wives, she's saying that we should not be so high and mighty and judge an entire country when we just started changing our behaviours and laws 100 years ago.  We're no better than they are, and you have no way to prove it.  (A friend told you is not proof, because it turns out, I have a friend that told me the opposite)

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benji

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:03:19 AM   
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I don't hate most minorities, It has nothing to do with skin color. I just hate cultures who think killing a raped woman brings honor to their family and women who have a child outside of marriage should be stoned to death. If hating the type of culture that thinks such cruelty is ok makes me a bigot, then I guess I am a bigot.

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