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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:06:37 AM   
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I'd love to meet someone decent from India, but from what I've seen the Mexicans are much friendlier. I'm just scared of the cultures in countries like India and Iraq. The type of culture people grow up in affect how they are. Killing a woman who was raped is an honor........oh and let's not forget Nigeria where a woman was stoned to death for giving birth to a child outside of marriage. At least in US, such practices are against the law. But people are coming over here that were raised to think this kind of behavior is ok.......after all it's legal in their country. Doesn't that put our own country in danger?


Women are murdered by their significant others all the time here, do you pay attention to the news at all?


Yeah, it's quite the epidemic in the US and seems to be kind of ignored by the government if you ask me. It's illegal but not given the weight in the courts and by the police that it deserves.

In many cases the same crime, when it's committed by people who are married or cohabitate, are treated in totally different manners. I had a trailer stolen by an ex and he was not charged with it's theft because they considered it a part of a "domestic situation".

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:08:18 AM   
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I don't hate most minorities, It has nothing to do with skin color. I just hate cultures who think killing a raped woman brings honor to their family and women who have a child outside of marriage should be stoned to death. If hating the type of culture that thinks such cruelty is ok makes me a bigot, then I guess I am a bigot.


I think you are getting your cultures mixed up now. You are thinking of muslims, Indians go in for bride burning. Though American women are raped and murdered too, would you condemn the whole of America because of a sick miniscule minority?

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:13:55 AM   
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There has been much ranting in here about illegal immigrants coming from Mexico.  I just noticed a headline at CNN about a new fence Bush just signed for that will go along your border.  Do you think it will help?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/26/bush.immigration.ap/index.html


First off, if a fence gets built, it wont do anything.  It will be tunnelled under, driven around, whatever.

But I dont think a fence will be built.  I think Monkeyboy is doing what he always does, signs bills into law and relies on his party's control of congress to ensure it does not get funded.

The only thing the Simian in Chief is doing with this bill is to try to drum up support for the party he has spent 6 years shooting in the head.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy


I agree. Bush tends to do things which are politically motivated and not for the good of the country. It seems to be all he thinks about.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:14:28 AM   
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I agree with your statement about America's past, but what good will it do to bring men over here who still think women should have no rights? That only means more women will get treated like shit. We have enough problems with domestic violence as it is, why bring people over here who will compound the problem?


She aint saying bring 'em over to help us beat our wives, she's saying that we should not be so high and mighty and judge an entire country when we just started changing our behaviours and laws 100 years ago.  We're no better than they are, and you have no way to prove it.  (A friend told you is not proof, because it turns out, I have a friend that told me the opposite)

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I know at one time we weren't better than they are. I judge our own countries past as harshly as I judge them now. Thank God we have gotten past that. But do modern American women deserve to be exposed to such barbarians? Mexicans aren't barbarians like that. I'm just saying our government needs to keep the barbarians out, not the friendly Mexicans. We don't need to add to the number of non consentual woman abusers in this country.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:19:56 AM   
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But do modern American women deserve to be exposed to such barbarians?


America has one of the most violent cultures in the western world, perhaps American women should emigrate over here.

Though I think we should only take the good looking liberal ones.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:20:18 AM   
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I know plenty of assholish mexicans, and I know at least one who beat his ex-wife.  I also know of a few Canadians by birth who do.  I don't know any Indians who do.

Should this shape my perception of the general populace of the country?  No.  It should shape my perception of those people as useless.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:20:37 AM   
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She aint saying bring 'em over to help us beat our wives, she's saying that we should not be so high and mighty and judge an entire country when we just started changing our behaviours and laws 100 years ago.  We're no better than they are, and you have no way to prove it.  (A friend told you is not proof, because it turns out, I have a friend that told me the opposite)

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But my friend told me all your friends are full of shit so it must be so...

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:23:55 AM   
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I agree with your statement about America's past, but what good will it do to bring men over here who still think women should have no rights? That only means more women will get treated like shit. We have enough problems with domestic violence as it is, why bring people over here who will compound the problem?


She aint saying bring 'em over to help us beat our wives, she's saying that we should not be so high and mighty and judge an entire country when we just started changing our behaviours and laws 100 years ago.  We're no better than they are, and you have no way to prove it.  (A friend told you is not proof, because it turns out, I have a friend that told me the opposite)

Yours,


benji


I know at one time we weren't better than they are. I judge our own countries past as harshly as I judge them now. Thank God we have gotten past that. But do modern American women deserve to be exposed to such barbarians? Mexicans aren't barbarians like that. I'm just saying our government needs to keep the barbarians out, not the friendly Mexicans. We don't need to add to the number of non consentual woman abusers in this country.


i was almost raped by a mexican man....i don't think he represented the country as a whole and i don't hate mexicans because of it. He, as an individual was an asshole, but that was just him.

On the other hand, i knew a guy from India who worked at the 7-11 where we hung out. He was always courtious and freindly to us. Doesn't mean every man from India was like that, but that was just him.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:25:31 AM   
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But my friend told me all your friends are full of shit so it must be so...

Sincerely and Highest Regards to You and Your Friends,
Julia


Yeah, but my friends told me not to believe your friends, or anyone who would listen to them. 

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:27:50 AM   
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If I was a bigot, I would hate anyone who wasn't white which is not the case. I'm not prejudice against Mexicans, Native Americans, or African Americans. Am I also a bigot to be against Islamic cultures where a family will kill a woman who is raped and call it an "honor killing?"


Wow.  With one stroke of the pen you just rid the world of bigots.  I mean, no one hates ALL minorities, right?  And bigots do.  Therefore, it's okay to hate MOST minorities, provided you shake hands with a token black guy.

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benji


There are two questions I need answered, benji.

1)  Who gave Archie Bunker access to the internet?

2)  Why did Archie Bunker log in with a profile claiming to be a woman?

Where is Meathead when we need important questions answered?

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:29:33 AM   
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I know at one time we weren't better than they are. I judge our own countries past as harshly as I judge them now. Thank God we have gotten past that. But do modern American women deserve to be exposed to such barbarians? Mexicans aren't barbarians like that. I'm just saying our government needs to keep the barbarians out, not the friendly Mexicans. We don't need to add to the number of non consentual woman abusers in this country.


My Daddy teaches woman's self defense (as everyone knows), he used to be shocked at the number of women that took his class that would have meltdowns because of past abuse. Many of my friends when I was young were abused by a significant male adult in their family or a friend of the family. I was abused by my exhusband. I am talking nonconsensual bruising and things like being thrown through doors... literally.

My mother was abused, a few of my aunts were abused, and this was not by a family member. One of my aunts was murdered. I could go on and on and on about violence against women statistically, but if you think about women you know, women whom are related to you, women in your community... you will see the same pattern I believe... who are the barbarians?

I have to say that in this country in some places men still can defacto beat their wives, sexually molest their children, and no one says jackshit to them because of where they live. Just recently did we even have a thing as a restraining order to protect us, and that is not much even now. I cannot stand this hypocrisy about how much better we are... we just aint better at all

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:35:23 AM   
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There are two questions I need answered, benji.

1)  Who gave Archie Bunker access to the internet?

2)  Why did Archie Bunker log in with a profile claiming to be a woman?

Where is Meathead when we need important questions answered?

Sinergy


We have no "Meathead", but there is a "Meatcleaver" posting here, I do not suppose this counts?

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 10:38:18 AM   
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There are two questions I need answered, benji.

1)  Who gave Archie Bunker access to the internet?

2)  Why did Archie Bunker log in with a profile claiming to be a woman?

Where is Meathead when we need important questions answered?

Sinergy


We have no "Meathead", but there is a "Meatcleaver" posting here, I do not suppose this counts?


I believe Meathead (Michael Stivik) and Meatcleaver are two different people.

I was talking about the guy who always argued with Archie Bunker trying to explain the world to him.

My point was that we need somebody with his intellectual acumen to explain the female Archie Bunker presence on this board.

Sinergy


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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 11:01:45 AM   
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Hijacked another topic... well done defiant.

As for Bush, he's ass backwards once again... Whilst he tries to figure out an exit strategy in Iraq, short of turning their government into a Republic (hence the party name: republicans,)  He then signs a bill to construct a wall big enough to protect his oil fields, and ranch house in Texas (thats about all it would conceal.) 

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 12:27:49 PM   
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Sinergy, again I agree with you about that POS Bush.
If he actually wanted to close that border all he has to do is put U.S. Troops along that border then declare Martial Law along the entire length of it.
After a few dozen are shot down no-one would take the chance anymore.
The whole solution to that problem is "Boots on the Ground."
However, there needs to be a certainty that people who sneak into our country will be deported.
We can't do that with 2,200 INS agents.
Congress should vote for and fund 50,000 INS agents.
Most of the people caught and deported aren't caught by the INS (I.C.E. I think they call it now, I've been retired for a few years.)
they're caught by local and state police dept's for something as simple as not having a driver's liscense. Or bouncing a check or things other than being an illegal alien.
But when they combine the two then they can jail them on an immigration hold indefinately.
But, it's really a very simple matter to close that border but Bush doesn't want to because too many of his rich buddies are getting richer off of it.

Popeye you are quite correct ... tho add to that the pc police depts who are NOT ALLOWED to ask abt the legal citizenship of someone they arrest!  Although, there are those arrested & deported who return illegally only to commit additional crimes ... & you wind up with a dead cop (recent events here in Houston).  Especially due to the political correctness that is rapidly ruining this country & the career politicians who won't do a dayumed real thing abt any real problem, there is a fast-growing movement afoot ... www.FIREcoatition.com ... does not abdicate vigilante actions, but more, manipulation of the corrupt system to work as it should have from the beginning.  FIREcoalition is putting "Boots on the Ground" (I LOVE that!) in so many ways ... everything from reporting companies that hire illegals (yes, I specifically know of companies reported thru FIREcoalition & www.wehireillegalaliens.com & www.usborderwatch.com that have been investigated,  heavily fined & the illegal "employees" are detained & deported) to assisting the border patrol with patrolling the border.  We are in the midst of a governor election here in Texas; the politicians are trying to make this a non-issue (read Rick Perry, Bush's lackey).  There is one candidate who doesn't shy away from this issue or any other ... Kinky Friedman (NOT a politician).  He wants to put the Texas Rangers & the Texas National Guard on the border to patrol.  He's actually realistic enough to know there's no counting on the federal government for a dayumed answer.


MsD, yeah, they say that Rick Perry is not only Bush's lap dog but that he has "The Mark Foley Problem" any truth to that?
Oh, yeah, I heard about Kinky Freidman! He's the guy who had that band "Kinky Freidman and the Texas Jewboys" right?
I like him!
Do you think he'll win? I hope he does!
That's exactly what we need in politics, political outsiders who listen to The People and not errand boys and coatholders for big corporations like Rick Perry!

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 12:41:22 PM   
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Mexicans have been immigrating to the US for years. The job shortages started when immigrants came over here from India and the Middle East and when companies started outsourcing. Even worse, when the men  do come here, they treat women like shit. I've met plenty of friendly Mexicans. I have yet to meet a decent guy from India. Mexico isn't the problem.


"Mexicans have been immigrating to the U.S. for years."
Oh? Is that what they call it, "immigration?"
I think it's funny when some people try to call them, "undocumented" instead of "illegal aliens".
Like their "documents" will be arriving in the mail any day now! lol

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 1:24:47 PM   
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Guys, to be fair, does not any politician only do things that are politically motivated?  We certainly see it a lot up here, and it sure is not relegated to one party or the other.  They are all guilty as far as I am concerned.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 5:16:51 PM   
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I wonder what the people who use the term "undocumented immigrants" would call a rapist, maybe "unwanted sexual participant?"
Or maybe "surprise sexual guest?"
Or "extemporanious penile invader?"

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 5:17:18 PM   
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I don't think the fence will work, unless it comes equiped with sensors to detect tunnels and land mines to blow the legs off those that can scale it (just a fence is penetrable even if it is very high - use a grappling hook and rope).   I figure it would take about 10 million land mines per mile. in a field about a mile or so deep.   But that still doesn't stop those that can come in by boat.

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RE: Bush oks 700 mile fence - 10/28/2006 6:50:29 PM   
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Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
The wretched refuse of your teeming shores
Send these, the homeless tempest tossed, to me
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

time to get that statue down, I'd say.   there she stands, with her torch of ... petroleum, on her poem of lies.

maybe someone could replace her, who would be more fitting.


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