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Sinergy -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 10:58:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve Sinergy...you can't take into account building 7. It WASN'T hit by an airplane and collapsed with a classic crimp...or wedge down the center of the building. It fell IN on itself with classic demolition efficiency and didn't harm either of the buildings on both sides of it. Just a nice neat little pile. As I recall it had some sort of fire thingie burning in it. I think you even pointed that out in one of your earlier posts. So please clarify how my not mentioning building 7 proves your thesis. Sinergy

Real0ne -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:02:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Level Most theorists will jump through hoops and bend over backwards to avoid the awful truth that their government did not have something to do with the destruction of the WTC and Pentagon. Even when the proof is there and obvious. i do not recal any kind of fuel that burns like this do you? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet%2B9/11 Note: wtc 2 falls immediately after the supposed gobs of burning "fuel", (that coincidentally is burning exactly at a floor support), pours over the side of the building. i found it! Compare the color of the oozing aledged fuel pouring over the side of the building to the fuel fire on the far left of the buildi then to the color of thermite pouring over the side of the car.in this link. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7231843493488769585 Note how the fuel fire on the far left goes out and up and is red orange in color, and the fire burning by the floor supports is a yellow orange to yellow. you do not find this very interesting?

sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:03:53 AM)
Well you said the buildings fell due to the "hot jet fuel fire" But....in the case of building 7 A class Alpha fire doesn't burn hot enought to melt steel...or even truly weaken it. Building 7 was OVERLY built to house Rudy Gulianis command bunker...FEMA personnel and the CIA...all had field offices in it. There is NO WAY a class Alpha fire took down that building. It was demolished. Just like the WTC towers were. Just seeing the woman in the gaping hole where the "hot fire" was supposed to be..waving is visual proof enough. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc1_woman.html Even the owner of the Building Larry Silverstein said "mabye the Smartest thing to is...pull it, and we made that descision to pull and we watched the building...collapse" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329&q=larry+silverstein+pull+it&hl=en "Pulling" is a term for DEMOLISHING a building.

Sinergy -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:06:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Level Most theorists will jump through hoops and bend over backwards to avoid the awful truth that their government did not have something to do with the destruction of the WTC and Pentagon. Even when the proof is there and obvious. i do not recal any kind of fuel that burns like this do you? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet%2B9/11 Note: wtc 2 falls immediately after the supposed gobs of burning "fuel", (that coincidentally is burning exactly at a floor support), pours over the side of the building. i found it! Compare the color of the oozing aledged fuel pouring over the side of the building to the fuel fire on the far left of the buildi then to the color of thermite pouring over the side of the car.in this link. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7231843493488769585 Note how the fuel fire on the far left goes out and up and is red orange in color, and the fire burning by the floor supports is a yellow orange to yellow. you do not find this very interesting? Maybe as the jet fuel fire sprayed through the building it encountered toner cartridges, coffee makers, ink pens, and taupe carpetting before blowing out the windows on the other side? On the other hand, I am sure most conspiracy theorists have scientifically considered and discarded every possible shred of evidence which might not support their contention that it was all a massive government conspiracy which enlisted thousands of people. The technical term for that would be "confirmation bias." You can google the term if you like. Sinergy

Real0ne -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:14:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Level Most theorists will jump through hoops and bend over backwards to avoid the awful truth that their government did not have something to do with the destruction of the WTC and Pentagon. Even when the proof is there and obvious. i do not recal any kind of fuel that burns like this do you? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet%2B9/11 Note: wtc 2 falls immediately after the supposed gobs of burning "fuel", (that coincidentally is burning exactly at a floor support), pours over the side of the building. i found it! Compare the color of the oozing aledged fuel pouring over the side of the building to the fuel fire on the far left of the buildi then to the color of thermite pouring over the side of the car.in this link. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7231843493488769585 Note how the fuel fire on the far left goes out and up and is red orange in color, and the fire burning by the floor supports is a yellow orange to yellow. you do not find this very interesting? Maybe as the jet fuel fire sprayed through the building it encountered toner cartridges, coffee makers, ink pens, and taupe carpetting before blowing out the windows on the other side? On the other hand, I am sure most conspiracy theorists have scientifically considered and discarded every possible shred of evidence which might not support their contention that it was all a massive government conspiracy which enlisted thousands of people. The technical term for that would be "confirmation bias." You can google the term if you like. Sinergy i am not saying or implying there was a conspiracy, i am only presenting what i found to be very interesting data regarding the falling of the buildings.... but as far as assumptions go i would never make a blind assumption like the one you just did...

mnottertail -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:17:29 AM)
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......................don't have to melt shit. Lintels are pocketed by law, to save lives........ They are under pretty terrific compression in a weighty building such as that......... Nowadays (and I mean like the last 50 years) these buildings are built around a central core idea such that they are easy to implode for demolition and re-development. sling a burning punkin in the center of the room throw a couple elevator shafts into the center of the building kinda running straight up and down, suck a bunch of oxygen in when you come thru the window, hit a few floors down to have a bit of weight on top of you......you will see steel start to fail under compression and heat in a lot less dire circumstance then red hot. You ain't gotta be more than a first year fireman to get that gimmick. Hell, boy scouts should be enough. Ron

sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:20:58 AM)
Soo....... You are saying that the steel was weakened...even though that womans hair and skin was intact? I think I may have some nice bridges to sell you.

sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:25:14 AM)
Hey Real one..... None of the debunkers here has even touched the fact that Thermate was found on the steel columns at the WTC site. Rather amusing.

Rule -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:27:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I was with a flight attendant for a few years who was close friends with the family of one of the flight attendants who died on the plane which hit WTC 2. Who were those two flight attendants and who was that family? quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy The airport crew saw her board the plane, saw the plane take off, saw it hit the building. There were no reported sightings of the plane landing to let all the people off. Nobody found a parachute from all the people who jumped off the plane mid-flight. What airport crew - who specifically - saw her board Flight 175? (It is a lie and I want to identify those liars.) Or if not a lie, she must have slipped off before the plane took to the air. Anyway, if she did board, it would have been reported big time, but this is the first that I hear of any witness of someone boarding one of those two existing planes. Of course the plane did not land to let all the people off: it had neither crew nor passengers. quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy What exactly constitutes "credible evidence" in your mind? A corpse with matching dental records and DNA. Not a list of 56 passengers of whom four - Ward, Weems, Roux and Jalbert - were also on the passenger list of the non-existing Flight 11.

Real0ne -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:49:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve Hey Real one..... None of the debunkers here has even touched the fact that Thermate was found on the steel columns at the WTC site. Rather amusing. i do not recall ever seeing a fire burn downwards in open air have you?

mnottertail -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:52:32 AM)
There were several women's hair and skin that didn't fare as well, according to my understanding , so I am unclear in regards that statements evidence of anything. I would like a linkor two that is generally public concerning the thermite. Yes, I am saying that chimneys in the center of a building, combined with the explosion of a rather large bomb and a great deal of oxygenation with great mass and weight bearing down on its top could easily cause the building to collapse just as it did. Now, one can not make a substantial case that in so much debris falling so suddenly that fire has to reach every part of the space, in fact, I suspect more people were crushed than burned.........so it is without surprise that people have been found in pieces without any apparent smoke inhalation or fire damage and still were shipped off to thier gods........ I am Johns Lintel Girder: it is my job to hold up a very definite piece of the building, maybe even have a little left over to help my neighbor out, but I am not the fuckin' red cross here, see? If julie were to sit astride my shoulders, I believe I could support her for some little while (I ain't the man I used to be) ...but now if Sinergy were to sit astride julies shoulders, I would come undone rather quickly......I could find nothing conspiratorial in that............. There is a rule of joining centers in the jutsu's (Sinergy, help me out here), and it basically states that I need only control your hand or some other body part (not the whole of you always) and if I bring that piece to the ground the rest of you is bound to follow....... I think it would be a conspiracy if after spending all that money and training pilots and hooking them up with 72 virgins apiece(and my understanding is that they perpetually remain virgins (so girls, thanks for nothing)), that they didn't have the foresight to hire an engineer or two, Hell, maybe even get some advice from Hammuds Demolition Company to look over the blueprints (freely available on the net and at the city offices) and make a best guess estimate of where to hit that son-of-a-bitch to collapse it. So, you keep the Verranzano, K? Ron

sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 11:57:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail There were several women's hair and skin that didn't fare as well, according to my understanding , so I am unclear in regards that statements evidence of anything. Nope...you conveniently refused to click on the link showing the woman standing in the gaping hole where the plane flew in. Alive and well. quote: I would like a linkor two that is generally public concerning the thermite. Again..you ignored the link quote: Yes, I am saying that chimneys in the center of a building, combined with the explosion of a rather large bomb and a great deal of oxygenation with great mass and weight bearing down on its top could easily cause the building to collapse just as it did. NO...those elevators were hermetically sealed. No way in hell that is going to happen. "any firefighter or boyscout" as you say....also knows that BLACK SMOKE is the sign of an OXYGEN STARVED FIRE. Which whaat was seen coming out of the towers..and sure as hell isn't a "hot fire". The exact opposite of what you claim. There was no "hot fire". In fact..the fire cheif made it to the 75th floor and said he could "knock it down with two lines" and there was "two isolated pockets of fire". No where near an "inferno".

Real0ne -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 12:01:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I would like a linkor two that is generally public concerning the thermite. Ron http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/23/1095651433980.html?from=storylhs http://physics911.net/thermite.htm http://how2dostuff.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-to-make-thermite.html How thermite burns: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=dbbe325cb5e8a69110da4140b0b58f66.687093 The Wtc: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet%2B9/11

Rule -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 12:04:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I think it would be a conspiracy if after spending all that money and training pilots and hooking them up with 72 virgins apiece... You are referring to the alleged highjackers? There is no evidence that they existed at all, nor that they were aboard those four flying objects. At least seven of the nineteen alleged highjackers are still alife today and were in their own country when the 9/11 events occurred.

sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 12:05:22 PM)
firefighters talk about "detonations" in the towers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0-5dmSh6TQ The firefighters audio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKdvl--1Dt0

Chaingang -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 1:35:56 PM)
The truth about 9-11 remains unknown, the official report is full of holes and utter bullshit. Al-Queda existed on some level, but it may only have been the very, very small personal organization of a now probably dead man named Osama Bin Laden. OBL never called his organization Al-Queda until after it had been named that by westerners. They wanted a bogeyman and he became one for them. I wouldn't say hoax per se, but I would say we aren't being told the truth either. If 9-11 had not happened, this administration would have had to create such an event themselves to justify their madness and greed and power grab. If Al-Queda did not previously exist, they would have had to create it - and some evidence suggests that they did just that.

UtopianRanger -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 2:14:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chaingang The truth about 9-11 remains unknown, the official report is full of holes and utter bullshit. Al-Queda existed on some level, but it may only have been the very, very small personal organization of a now probably dead man named Osama Bin Laden. OBL never called his organization Al-Queda until after it had been named that by westerners. They wanted a bogeyman and he became one for them. I wouldn't say hoax per se, but I would say we aren't being told the truth either. If 9-11 had not happened, this administration would have had to create such an event themselves to justify their madness and greed and power grab. If Al-Queda did not previously exist, they would have had to create it - and some evidence suggests that they did just that. I'm pretty much onboard with Chaingang. There's no doubt that there are Islamic terrorists, but the whole story about the laptop and the mythical cave, is complete farce in my opinion. And anyone who would believe such a tall tale needs to stop watching sanitized propaganda on network television. Here is an excellent poll taken a short time ago that gives a pretty good projection that the opinion with regard to the mandated truth as told by the Bush administration is shifting against them at a disproportionate level. Five years ago these numbers would have been vastly different. More information is seeping out and folks are beginning to take notice. http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13469 - R

mnottertail -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 2:21:08 PM)
NO...those elevators were hermetically sealed. No way in hell that is going to happen. I must now reverse my position, there is a cover up. Literally hundreds of thousands of people a day suffocating unto death in 'hermetically sealed elevator shafts' I suspect the putrefaction gasses of the bodies is what did in the pilings in the sub basements. I will say that the situations are being 'managed' by the administration, but do not accuse them of conspiracy, there isn't brains enough amongst the current administration to poor piss out of a boot. I did not see anything untoward in anything on that site, and wasn't going to wade through hours and hours of pure asswipe to see the lady stand in the hole, I read a couple of the PhDs assertations, most of which fly in the face of reason. Couple of things right out of the chute, there is a vast difference in iron and steel regarding chemical makeup, and if the pylons were blown in the way one guy said they were in the sub basement, it would have been an early game of tetris, manhattan is founded on bedrock. The building would have shivvered perhaps. but not toppled in that type of scenario. Regarding the detonations, of course there were large gas lines throughout the building as well as some heavy electrical distribution boxes, when these things blow they are at least to be described as incindary. To summarize, there is no question that truth has had no place in this whole scenario, so iwithn the adversarial arguments for war by the administration it could be construed as conspiracy, but I find few people questioning that. Other than that, plausible chicanery has always been a sweet spot with the american people. Ron

UtopianRanger -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 2:35:58 PM)
I'll also add that for those who don't believe their government is that diabolical, I ask you to go back and study the Church hearings / Iran contra, The Northwoods Documents and Operation Gladio. And as Synergy has mentioned on numerous occasions, read Confessions of an Economic Hitman. - R

sissifytoserve -> RE: 911 - Al-Qaeda or Hoax? (10/29/2006 2:39:48 PM)
Don't forget Operation Ajax....in Iran with the installation of the Shah.

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