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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/2/2006 5:29:18 AM   
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Actually "Alternative Lifestyles Discussion Forums"  as it states in the upper right hand corner of the screen covers more then just B&D. Yes B&D is a big part of CM, but it is not the only Lifestyle that is covered. Otherise it would say "Bondage and Discipline Lifestyle forum".

Personally I think Cross dressing, TG and other "alternative lifestyles" should probably have their own forum sections here at CM. I know alot of people do not think CD has anything to do with BDSM, perhaps it doesn't for some but in alot of cases it DOES. I know in my personal situation it does, it is a kink.

So are we to point a finger and say Hey those sexual deviants over there doing the cross dressing thing have no place here with us sexual deviants doing the B&D thing? I don't think so. I think all of us sexual deviants should be accepting of each other considering we are a small minority of the human population.

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There was a request for a board for topics that fall into this category & nothing became of it. Masters, Mistress', sub/slaves, switches & Goreans all have their own boards but TS/TV/TG & CD persons only qualify gaining mention on an "off-topic" board. Kind of a crappy hand to be dealt. Speaks volumes...

As to popeye & his incessant writings about this being a B&D site... when are you going to realize that this is far more than a B&D site? Just because it doesn't apply to your specific interests doesn't make it an invalid topic. Nearly 2300 hundred posts & you still haven't figured out that many topics discussed here are not about B&D. Besides, the only time you bring this up is on threads of this type. Hmmmm this speaks volumes as well... you know what they say about those who protest too much.

However, it appears that the OP had nothing to do with anything other than a couple couping with gender related issues. Maybe I missed it somewhere but I didn't see any mentions of their having any involvement in lifestyles that do pertain to this site. With that said this should have been brought up in the off topic area but then again it may have been best to not bring it to the boards since it appears it was an obvious ploy to instigate unfavorable replies.




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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/2/2006 6:30:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lashra

Actually "Alternative Lifestyles Discussion Forums"  as it states in the upper right hand corner of the screen covers more then just B&D. Yes B&D is a big part of CM, but it is not the only Lifestyle that is covered. Otherise it would say "Bondage and Discipline Lifestyle forum".

Personally I think Cross dressing, TG and other "alternative lifestyles" should probably have their own forum sections here at CM. I know alot of people do not think CD has anything to do with BDSM, perhaps it doesn't for some but in alot of cases it DOES. I know in my personal situation it does, it is a kink.

So are we to point a finger and say Hey those sexual deviants over there doing the cross dressing thing have no place here with us sexual deviants doing the B&D thing? I don't think so. I think all of us sexual deviants should be accepting of each other considering we are a small minority of the human population.

~Lashra


There was a request for a board for topics that fall into this category & nothing became of it. Masters, Mistress', sub/slaves, switches & Goreans all have their own boards but TS/TV/TG & CD persons only qualify gaining mention on an "off-topic" board. Kind of a crappy hand to be dealt. Speaks volumes...

As to popeye & his incessant writings about this being a B&D site... when are you going to realize that this is far more than a B&D site? Just because it doesn't apply to your specific interests doesn't make it an invalid topic. Nearly 2300 hundred posts & you still haven't figured out that many topics discussed here are not about B&D. Besides, the only time you bring this up is on threads of this type. Hmmmm this speaks volumes as well... you know what they say about those who protest too much.

However, it appears that the OP had nothing to do with anything other than a couple couping with gender related issues. Maybe I missed it somewhere but I didn't see any mentions of their having any involvement in lifestyles that do pertain to this site. With that said this should have been brought up in the off topic area but then again it may have been best to not bring it to the boards since it appears it was an obvious ploy to instigate unfavorable replies.





MstrssPassion, "incessant?" I brought it up in August and now in this thread. Both times in other threads, not my own. Why would two times in three months be "incessant?"
I didn't realise that cd is a "lifestyle."

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/2/2006 11:19:50 AM   
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***Despite the "In reply to" at the bottom of this post, it is meant to be general, not specific to that individual.  My apologies for any confusion caused.***
 
 
For what it's worth:
 
"Alternative lifestyle." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. 17 Oct 2006, 09:58 UTC. Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 2 Nov 2006 <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alternative_lifestyle&oldid=81968296>.
 
A couple of exerpts:


An alternative lifestyle is a lifestyle (a mode or style of conducting one's life) which carries the implication that it is not within the generally perceived cultural norm.
 
Some psychologists today, however, believe that alternative lifestyles are not rebellious in nature but only serve to help the individual find balance, or social or personal identity...

It seems to me that most trans-related issues that are brought up on these boards would fall somewhere in there.
 
From the top of this message board page:


Alternative Lifestyles Discussion Forums

From the banner that appears at the top of pretty much every page on the rest of the Collarme site:


The Largest Alternative Lifestyles Community on the Planet

It seems that if one follows Collarme's self-description, that trans-related issues are as welcomed by Collarme as any other (within the T.O.S. of course.)
 
Since Collarme offers "trans" as a choice of gender on the personals side, it seems that trans-folk are welcome to post their profiles.
 
Nowhere in the T.O.S. is there a requirement that everyone must be b/d oriented, that all must be one of only two genders, or any other exclusionary criteria.  As long as you aren't misusing copyright material (and I agree that stealing pics of someone else to make oneself look better falls into that area), posting illegal porn, using Collarme to commit fraud or the like, or generally messing with Collarme's system, you're good to go as far as Collarme is concerned.  So railing about *those* people, and how *they* don't belong here is a waste of time, as well as offensive to many.
 
Something that puzzles me...why does someone that seems to think that males in female clothing are an abomination (perhaps that is a wee bit stronger than it needs to be) go deliberately to "trans" profiles to look at their pictures?
 
A comment on the OP's first post...the issue you addressed is one that is quite common among CDs (or TVs...take your pick) of my acquaintance.  I'm referring to the delayed revelation to his spouse, not the particulars of his sex-life.  It is quite common (again, based on those I know, as well as myself...not a universal truth!) to marry "vanilla" at a younger age, not realizing how strong the drive to "dress" may become, or thinking that one can just "stop."  Add in the feeling that one is "different" or "dirty" or "sick" because one doesn't feel like he fits the definition of a "real man" and the urge to keep quiet is even stronger.
 
Unfortunately, all too often, the drive to "dress" or otherwise express one's femme side does not stay put away, and has to be addressed head on with the spouse.  This generally does not go well (definitely speaking from personal experience on this one!) and quite often results in the end of the marriage.
 
Should one be honest upfront?  Of course!  That's a no-brainer.
 
Do CDs that break that rule do so with malicious intent?  Not in my experience, at least.  Unfortunately, as often happens in life, one's bad choices can come back to bite you later on.
 
Just my $0.02.
 
Tasha

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/2/2006 5:07:09 PM   
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Two excerpts of my own:

You want to know what a moronic word 'lifestyle' is? All you have to do is realize that in a technical sense, Atila the Hun had an active outdoor lifestyle. - George Carlin

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. - Tyler Durden, Fight Club


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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 2:19:32 AM   
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Good post Tasha

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 5:36:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ZenrageTheKeeper

Two excerpts of my own:

You want to know what a moronic word 'lifestyle' is? All you have to do is realize that in a technical sense, Atila the Hun had an active outdoor lifestyle. - George Carlin

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. - Tyler Durden, Fight Club



Just because a cat has kittens in the oven doesn't mean they're biscuits.
 
(I just like the saying and the one post here reminded me of it) 
 
Now back the OP- which to reword it now would be - A person's sexual preference should be taken into consideration.  CD is one thing.. expecting your partner to pretend to accept a sexuality contrary to their nature is a problem.  I know I'd either be laughing hysterically or kneeing him in the chin. 
 
How far DO you take CDing?  My friend's husband does claim he has an extra chromosome that makes him transgendered (?)
 
At this point, it's all moot.  The marriage bed is now dead.  The point of my whole post is hopefully to alert anyone coming out that there are other issues other than "does my butt look big in this dress".  At what point is a behavior just not worth it?

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 6:21:46 AM   
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Female crossdressers are invisible, but they are out there. Why is it that male crossdressers attract such attitudes, when female crossdressers dont?

Because women look so damned hot wearing a man's button-down shirt and nothing else?


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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 5:56:55 PM   
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When my friend's husband came out and she said "fine".. he wanted to go further and make love to her only dressed as a woman and without any "male" involvement. She just couldn't enjoy it.. so now they are celibate This was a marriage of over 30 years (and no, it's not me). They basically live together now as "sisters". This is the dilemma. She misses her husband. Of course, they met at a time in this country where it was going to be major taboo so "coming out" was not an easy option (like it ever is, eh?)

She tried it a few times but looking down to find a 'female', just wasn't appealing to her :/ And he will not do it without his alternate persona. Divorce is not an option because above all else she still loves him..but this just ruined their sex life basically.

I guess the moral of this story is "Come out early.. come out often", I guess. I know it's not easy.

I know Sissify will jump n here and I expect him to. I present this because I have not seen this addressed yet. This is NOT a "don't do it" thread. Just speak your experiences in this line or offer suggestions.




It is the curse of the true crossdresser (not a transexual or gender dysphoric individual) who can't quit the part of him that is deeply imbedded within himself is more than likely to live a life of isolation and to be alone. I'm talking about males who have crossdressed since their earliest childhood....NOT fetishists who started in their teens or twenties.

Iv'e tried many times to get rid of it. I can't. Even military service or psychiatry cannot kill it. It is inate inthose who have done so from childbirth.

No straight woman will truthfully tolerate this and least of all embrace it.I have met only two so far in my life that have had a passing interest in it.

The crossdressers i talk to have had the best of luck with bisexual or lesbian females in understanding how they feel.

As usual... Lotus Song makes the female out to be the victim.

To all the crossdressers reading this thread. I dedicate this song to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqC2P4chhto





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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 6:02:44 PM   
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As usual... Lotus Song makes the female out to be the victim.



I simply stated a true situation.  Nothing was made up.  I presented both sides.
 
I can deal with crossdressing..but when it  effects the bedroom  as to where the woman is to abandon her heterosexual desires to see her husband perform as a female...it really is a problem. It's not fun for either party.  My question then is.. how far does cross dressing go?  Is it just dressing..or is it acting out also?
 
What is a fair compromise?

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 6:05:16 PM   
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The crossdresser is ALWAYS the one who ends up compromising.

Fact.

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 6:15:45 PM   
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I'm so not down for men discovering their feminine side......not to the point of wearing panties and such. Its all good, it's just not good for me. I doubt I could live with it. In fact, I'm sure I couldn't.


Proof enough.

Its no wonder why Crossdressing or gender "wierd" males have a suicide rate 6 times higher than the national average.

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 6:20:22 PM   
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Since this is a long ong thread and I dont actually have the time to read every entry, I am not sure if this has been mentioned in here somewhere or not. 
Assuming that the husband in LS's scenario now identifies himself as a female but wants to have sex with his wife AS that female.. have they considered strapon play? After all, if she wants intercourse with penetration, and he wants to remain in the female role, then that would be the logical quick fix.  I have done this with pets of mine that have been femenized to the point of not really enjoying the male persona anymore.

Just a thought.

DV

When did we get so picky about WHERE a thread is posted, and what is in it?  Why does it matter, if LS wants to post this wherever it lands? I dont know about everyeon else, but I dont typicaly figure out where something is posted until I am looking for it later. I click on the scroler on the side of my screen and post when something looks interesting. If I am not interested in a subject.. I just dont click.  Its inda simple, and then it doesnt matter what they discuss, it doesnt affect me. My humble opinion at least.

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 6:31:47 PM   
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No straight woman will truthfully tolerate this and least of all embrace it.I have met only two so far in my life that have had a passing interest in it.

The crossdressers i talk to have had the best of luck with bisexual or lesbian females in understanding how they feel.

The reason crossdressers have better luck with bi or lesbian females is simply that astetically, women do not interest straight women. That shouldnt really come as a surprise.
However, I dont see an issue with crossdressing much more than any other kink.  If it is a shared interest, it ca be wonderful.  If it isnt, like anything else, it'll cause a rift. It is the same with a fetishist of any kind, really, although crossdressers who have it far ingrained into their persona are a bit more involved than most fetishists.

Then, there are the few rare females who look to encourage crossdressing in their boys.  I happen to be one.  I am fostering the desire in my boy, hoping that the feelings that he has buried for so long will come out and grow.

The problem I thought I saw in LSs story was that the interest was one sided.  The husband was taking his own needs into account and not even wiling to compormise to make the wife happy.  No matter what the activity, when one partner endulges their own desires completely and doesnt involve or consider the other partner, there is bound to be a problem.  This situation happens to be crossdressing.  What if it were something else. Would there be different advice if he refused to have sex with her without wearinga blindfold, or without being handcuffed?
I dont think the main problem is the ACTIVITY of crossdressing, though that one does seem to be harder to accept than others.  I think it is the single mindedness to which he is pursuing it at th eexpense of the one he loves.

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 6:35:49 PM   
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I think this was just one more opportunity for Lotus Song to express her inner hatred for crossdressers...personally.

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 6:41:52 PM   
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Its NO WONDER this subject was put in "off topic" instead of the mainstream subjects here at CM.

Crossdressing is always marginalized and hated and feared.

But...if a woman does it..its ok and sexy..and gee...in bed its also sexy and acceptable.

"baby you look so sexy with those camoflage pants, bullet belts and combat boots!!! Don't take them off!!!"

Whatever.

This world is a fucking vampire.

If i have to be alone. So be it.



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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 6:45:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

Since this is a long ong thread and I dont actually have the time to read every entry, I am not sure if this has been mentioned in here somewhere or not. 
Assuming that the husband in LS's scenario now identifies himself as a female but wants to have sex with his wife AS that female.. have they considered strapon play? After all, if she wants intercourse with penetration, and he wants to remain in the female role, then that would be the logical quick fix.  I have done this with pets of mine that have been femenized to the point of not really enjoying the male persona anymore.

Just a thought.

DV


Hets are a funny lot... if it doesn't look like the opposite sex.. they have a real hard time getting turned on.  Thank you for the idea. She would like to have the maleness in personality and energy at that time.  She doesn't mind him dressing how and when he wishes.. she even helps him. But the sex issue is the catch in the craw.  Btw, this is an older couple just entering their 60's. When you are together for so long..it's easier just to stay together ..so divorce isn't always an option.  And really, they don't want to,  they just eliminated the problem area.

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 7:01:41 PM   
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Sorry gang, I'm going to make a left turn here for a bit and see if we can't resolve some issues.  Mods, if I've put this in the wrong place, please feel free to move this.
 
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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

I think this was just one more opportunity for Lotus Song to express her inner hatred for crossdressers...personally.

 
Sissfy- where's the hate in this thread?
 
While it is true that I do not care for crossdressing- it doesn't mean I can't discuss it.
 
The ONLY thing I dislike about you Sissfy, is that you are so darn mean.  No one can discuss this subject without you  raising hell. 
 
So-For a brief interlude, let's give you the floor as I ask -
 
What would be your perfect world?  What would make you happy?  If you say "total acceptance" please define "total".
 
I give you the floor......

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 7:09:06 PM   
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The world will NEVER be perfect....especially for the crossdresser.

Most of them will have to hide it (pretend) in order to be accepted by their female counterparts in order to be loved and accepted. Be a shithead that society wants them to be.

You don't fucking see it..but i sure as hell do.

I'm done.



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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 7:11:09 PM   
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Sweet, another one with anger issues. I've been licking my chops since the "other" thread died.

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RE: Cross-dressing and Acceptance - 11/3/2006 7:16:21 PM   
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Sweet, another one with anger issues. I've been licking my chops since the "other" thread died.


Sean, do you see hate in this thread?  Should I have worded something differently?

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