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farglebargle -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 2:40:56 PM)
OK if that is the case, then why did he appologize? 1) Get Firefox 2. It has an inline spellchecker. 2) I notice you refer to an apology which you never really read. Here's the text. "As a combat veteran, I want to make it clear to anyone in uniform and to their loved ones: my poorly stated joke at a rally was not about, and never intended to refer to any troop. I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended. It is clear the Republican Party would rather talk about anything but their failed security policy. I don't want my verbal slip to be a diversion from the real issues. I will continue to fight for a change of course to provide real security for our country, and a winning strategy for our troops." But hey, if YOU would rather avoid discussion of the GOPs failed policies ( 3000 dead GI's and 300k - 900k dead Iraqis... ) and use Kerrys slip as a diversion, knock yourself out, Party Whore.

MrrPete -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 2:44:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom Ken, When are you going to applogize to the troops in Iraq for caring less about their lives than about petty domestic politics? I suppose you do? Give me a break.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 2:46:13 PM)
Well, he's apologized. I sure now feel better about the entire situation. (I'm referencing the fact that I didn't vote for him in the first place.) Not proud of President Bush, but holy hell John. Yesterday it was; "I make apologies to NO ONE!" quote: WASHINGTON (AP) - Thrust into the midst of the midterm election campaign, Sen. John Kerry apologized Wednesday to "any service member, family member or American who was offended" by remarks deemed by Republicans and Democrats alike to be insulting to U.S. forces in Iraq. Source: http://apnews.myway.com//article/20061101/D8L4H92G0.html These excerpts from his interview with Don Imus this morning are priceless. In the same interview he said this statement: quote: KERRY: These guys have failed America. The people who owe an apology are people like Donald Rumsfeld, who didn’t send enough troops, who didn’t listen to the generals, who has made every mistake in the book. And this statement: quote: KERRY: I’m sorry that John McCain has said what he said. John McCain’s been a friend for a long time. But I have to tell you, I think John McCain is wrong about this. John McCain has been a cheerleader for a policy that is incorrect. John McCain says we ought to send another 100,000 troops over there. First of all, we don’t have another 100,000 troops. Secondly, if you send them over there, it’s going to do exactly what’s already happened, which is attract more terrorists and more jihadists. Our own generals are telling us that it’s the numbers of troops that are the problem. I didn't believe it when I heard it, but here is the transcript: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15512797/ Now it has to be difficult to contradict yourself in the span of 5 minutes. Is Kerry secretly running the Hilliary Clinton campaign? Btw-Why the hell are there two threads on this subject? How hard is it to see KERRY in the thread banner?

KenDckey -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 2:46:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle OK if that is the case, then why did he appologize? 1) Get Firefox 2. It has an inline spellchecker. 2) I notice you refer to an apology which you never really read. Here's the text. "As a combat veteran, I want to make it clear to anyone in uniform and to their loved ones: my poorly stated joke at a rally was not about, and never intended to refer to any troop. I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended. It is clear the Republican Party would rather talk about anything but their failed security policy. I don't want my verbal slip to be a diversion from the real issues. I will continue to fight for a change of course to provide real security for our country, and a winning strategy for our troops." But hey, if YOU would rather avoid discussion of the GOPs failed policies ( 3000 dead GI's and 300k - 900k dead Iraqis... ) and use Kerrys slip as a diversion, knock yourself out, Party Whore. Back to my point. He offended the military. As a soldier I was offended. Back to the thread point of the whether or not he should appologize He offended the military.

farglebargle -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 2:50:48 PM)
I guess if you're going to misinterpret his words, and take offense there's nothing anyone can do. After all, you CHOOSE to misinterpret his words.

KenDckey -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 2:54:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I guess if you're going to misinterpret his words, and take offense there's nothing anyone can do. After all, you CHOOSE to misinterpret his words. Actually there is. CAn you show me, from Kerry, the exact intrepretation of his words? And why is it he recanted them if I was the only one to complain and I didn't complain to him only on this thread.

farglebargle -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 2:59:52 PM)
" And why is it he recanted them " When did he recant them? Can you actually READ and understand things? I posted Kerrys remarks in their entirety.

KenDckey -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 3:08:39 PM)
Entry Word: recant Function: verb Text: to solemnly or formally reject or go back on (as something formerly adhered to) I don't know I thought recant and appologize are the same. he went back on what he said as not meaning what it said. Maybe I am wrong

Quivver -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 3:41:03 PM)
Fast reply........ I knew what he meant, (yes even as a right wing nut case that I am) an apology in my opinion would only appear insencere (sp?) .. what bothers me about the entire line, is the train of thought, ~or non thought~ i feel he spoke before he thought about what it was he really wanted to say. In most cases when our foot enters our mouth as his did it's because we said exactly what we meant without the sugar coating of political correctness.

Badkitty0810 -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 3:52:04 PM)
Quivver, do the other right-wingers know that you're kinky? Can they kick you out for that? =)

KenDckey -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 3:55:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Badkitty0810 Quivver, do the other right-wingers know that you're kinky? Can they kick you out for that? =) Shhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell LOL

Quivver -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 3:55:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Badkitty0810 Quivver, do the other right-wingers know that you're kinky? Can they kick you out for that? =) I hate to be the one to break it to you BadKitty but there's a bunch more where I came from. ........... it's not 1940 anymore if you've not noticed.

Level -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 3:58:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Quivver quote: ORIGINAL: Badkitty0810 Quivver, do the other right-wingers know that you're kinky? Can they kick you out for that? =) I hate to be the one to break it to you BadKitty but there's a bunch more where I came from. ........... it's not 1940 anymore if you've not noticed. Well said, my friend. [;)]

FirmhandKY -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 4:33:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: By calling them failures so to speak because they all didn't get college educations. How do you get THERE, from HERE: “You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well, and if you don’t you get stuck in Iraq.” (John Kerry, October 30, 2006) Where does COLLEGE come in? Not to get involved in a poltical argument, but dissecting his statement on purely logical grounds, he did indeed insult everyone in uniform. Regardless of their level of eduction, HS or college or whatever: A. You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, B. you can do well, C. and if you don’t you get stuck in Iraq. In logical terms: If A then B otherwise C. Substituting the key assumptions: If Education, then Success, otherwise Military Service. In other words, parsed, and the two conditional statements broken out: Success=Education Failure=Military Service It's an insult to the men and women of the military, pure and simple, and I don't see how anything other than a blind partisan can see it any other way. Even more of an insult is his wider definition of "Success". According to his own word, it includes an "effort" to "be smart". By inference, then, failure means that you didn't succeed in "being smart". Which means that the men and women in the armed services are dumb, since they "failed". Again, I don't see how any critical thinking person could see this as anything other than an insult. And I see no "joke" about Bush here, either. FirmKY

KenDckey -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 5:44:39 PM)
Hey Firm Thank you for saying exactly what I have been trying to figure out how to say all day.

Daddysredhead -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 7:54:20 PM)
quote: Should Kerry Apologize? Yes.

popeye1250 -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 8:37:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: By calling them failures so to speak because they all didn't get college educations. How do you get THERE, from HERE: “You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well, and if you don’t you get stuck in Iraq.” (John Kerry, October 30, 2006) Where does COLLEGE come in? Not to get involved in a poltical argument, but dissecting his statement on purely logical grounds, he did indeed insult everyone in uniform. Regardless of their level of eduction, HS or college or whatever: A. You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, B. you can do well, C. and if you don’t you get stuck in Iraq. In logical terms: If A then B otherwise C. Substituting the key assumptions: If Education, then Success, otherwise Military Service. In other words, parsed, and the two conditional statements broken out: Success=Education Failure=Military Service It's an insult to the men and women of the military, pure and simple, and I don't see how anything other than a blind partisan can see it any other way. Even more of an insult is his wider definition of "Success". According to his own word, it includes an "effort" to "be smart". By inference, then, failure means that you didn't succeed in "being smart". Which means that the men and women in the armed services are dumb, since they "failed". Again, I don't see how any critical thinking person could see this as anything other than an insult. And I see no "joke" about Bush here, either. FirmKY But Kerry did "well"; he married two rich women. Once he loses the title "Senator" "Mama T's" gone! She wants a title! Something funny here that I don't think anyone picked up on. When a person messes up a joke they're telling they always mess up the "set up" and not the "punchline." Kerry was reading off a piece of paper when he said this and he still messed it up? I didn't see any insult to Bush either. But his inferences surely were an insult to the people in the military. I don't know why they keep voting for him and Kennedy in Massachusetts. I'm glad I got out of that state! It's not even a "blue" state anymore it's firmly in the Moonbat Party now.

knees2you -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 8:44:45 PM)
quote: I most assuradly think that Kerry should appologize. What he said was a major affront to all miliary personnel regardless of his intent. If he wants to blast Bush, then go ahead. But to blast the soldiers and call it Bush Bashing, is just unforgiveable. *Even if Bush is sending Soilders to Iraqi for no* *reason, then let it be Directed Soley at Bush!* *Not the Military it's self!* *John Kerry has three Purple Hearts, and* *He went to a War that really seemed meaningless?* *So for him to say that,* *There really is know EXCUSE![sm=crop.gif]* *Ant, & LilBecque[sm=news.gif]*

CrappyDom -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 9:03:33 PM)
Pete, You have no honor and no class, you have no idea what I do to support our troops. All you want to do is hide your cowardice by sending other men off to die so you can cower in your bed at night hoping that if you sell enough of your soul you might live to waste oxygen another day.

popeye1250 -> RE: Should Kerry Apologize? (11/1/2006 9:28:31 PM)
Crappy, that wasn't very nice! A little ego taking over there perhaps?

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