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RE: another take on guns - 11/1/2006 9:27:18 PM

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Hello A/all,

So I go to the Lair and watch people beat each other with single tails, I get to wondering how fun it would be to strap my submissive up to something and shoot her repeatedly with one of those cheap, spring powered bb guns.

Just me, probably wrong, but there you go.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/1/2006 9:39:27 PM

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2nd Amendment : A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Look at the placement of the second comma. One could easily infer, and I believe that this was the intent, that it means since the state has to have guns so must the People. Looking at the body of the Constitution, did you notice that we the People have the right to alter or abolish the government ? Now how the hell do we do that without guns ?

Get the picture people ! The second amendment is not about defending yourself from wild bears, muggers or rapists, it is about defending yourself from the government.

Anyone in this country who can't see that should go to a more honest country, one that doesn't pretend to give you "rights". When they give you rights they are priveledges and can be taken away. Rights can not be taken away except by force, and that is what has happened. Once the government got unworried about an armed uprising the theft increased to an unprecedented level, and continues to increase every day.

Some of the founding fathers of this country believed that we should have a revolution about every twenty years. I am starting to think they were right.

Here's the deal, law is the force of nature, but disguised. The big boys say "give me what I want" and to avoid trouble you do. Now they want to remove any vestige of defense you might ever have against THEM. Not terrorists (unless you include them), not rapists, not wild bears, THEM.

We are very ripe for a revolution, but there are too many sheeple and too many dependent on the government. Basically, we need to wait until the government lets them down.

If any group of ten or twenty people in this country had any of the balls and forthright way of our founding fathers, and some serious money, at the very least we would not be in Iraq. We might be other places, but not Iraq. Iraq did nothing, they complied completely, but they, like Bosnia, as put by Allbright at Ramboulliet "We deliberately set the bar too high, they need a bombing and that's what they're going to get". (that was a few years ago)

Your tax dollars at work.

I am ashamed and disgraced by the actions of this government. Our boys go and fight and die, AND KILL, for oil barons. But I will not leave. When the next asshole tells me "Love it or leave it" I might just kill them. I WILL NOT LEAVE IT. I love it and if I can help it heal, that is what I AM going to do.

And I realize it will not be painless. We will have strife, and to survive people will again learn to help each other, not be so self centered, to be more objective. Those of us who can deal fair and square with one another will be in the communities, those who cannot, those who have to get over or get ahead by any means, well they will become marauders, thieves, swindlers, oh wait, they already are.

Now I will raise my voice, but I am not yelling.

THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SECOND AMENDMENT DO NOT BELONG HERE. IT WAS SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN TO TRY TO ENSURE THE PEOPLE OF A MEANS TO ALTER OR ABOLISH THIS GOVERNMENT. THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND, YOU SAW WHERE THE COMMA IS PLACED. THAT MEANS ONE THING IN THE ENGLISH GRAMMATICAL SYSTEM. REBUT THIS, THE GOV NEEDS GUNS, SO DO THE PEOPLE, COME ON, WHO WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE ? REVOLUTIONISTS !

My baath has been drawn, I will go to it now. I willbe quiet and behave, as hard as that is to believe.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/1/2006 10:01:44 PM

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you don't need a permit or permission to own a rifle or a shotgun. so what's the big deal about a handgun? any of the three will kill. it may be easier to conceal a handgun, but if someone want's to kill you, they'll find a way. should we ban knives as well? get real people. i'm sure you'd change your mind real quick if someone broke into your home and your kids were in the way of a flying bullet. why is it that you want guns outlawed? if you don't like guns, then don't own one. but from my perspective, i'm a woman living alone and although i hope i'd never have to hurt or kill anyone with my guns, it's reassuring to know that if anyone tries to break into my home, i stand a better chance of living to see tomorrow with my .410 standing in the hallway and my .38 in the nightstand. and i know damn well they'll be there to protect me long before any police officers get there to do it. i'm a responsible, law abiding citizen, but i feel everyone has the right to defend themselves if need be. and if you don't want that right, that's your choice. aside from which, if you shoot someone, even in self defense as they're breaking into your home and coming after you, the law seems to side with the lawbreaker rather than the innocent homeowner who's only protecting their rights. strange world we live in when they treat the bad guys better than they treat the good guys. but times are changing and owning a gun is becoming harder and harder to do. so when you vote in November, be sure you know which of these politicians you're voting for are anti-gun or you really could lose the right to own one.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/1/2006 10:28:39 PM

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ROFLMAO Yeah

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RE: another take on guns - 11/1/2006 11:31:28 PM

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To clarfy the idea started by Termin8tor above actually a basic English language diagram of the sentance makes it perfectly clear.

A well regulated militia, being nessisary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Diagram the sentance then re read the basic rules for grammer.
A well regulated militia, being nessisary to the security of a free State (end of DEPENDANT clause)
Dependant clauses are never the central idea of a sentance they modify, explain, give additional information.
The Right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
End of Independant clause.

The independant clause is the central idea, and considering that the writters of the time were much better versed and paid greater attention to the rules of grammer, it is impossible for me to beleive that it was not ment as an idividual right.

Additionally why would a mind as well organized as the one that put together the Bill of Rights skip from an individual right to a collective right then back to individual rights and finally to a collective right. 1,3,4,5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 all are individual rights, 10 reserves rights to the State. If the 2nd was ment to be a collective right it certainly would belong as #9 with 3-9 shifting backwards in the que.

Also Everywhere else in the Bill of Rights when they use the words "The People" they refer to individuals, how can they mean something other than that only in the 2nd ammendment?

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RE: another take on guns - 11/1/2006 11:49:29 PM

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So.. just to interject here... what do you all think about Japan, that has outlawed guns for years and seems to be taking no harm from it? From what I have heard Japan is one of the safest countries and people walk through the cities in the dead of night without fear. Is this due to their well-enforced gun policy or just the temperament of the Japanese in general? Would such a ban work as effectively on a place like the US or the UK, where people are brought up to rebel against the system, rather than work towards the greater good as they are taught in Japan?

I'd genuinely like to hear your thoughts!

Edited to add: You're all wrong! Guns don't kill people! Bullets do.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 12:02:29 AM

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Archer, you da Man. Let's put ALL the nails in these gunshy idiots' coffins.

Remember a while back they were offering gifts for guns, turn in the gun and get a turkey or who knows, sometimes money ? The most appropo one I ever heard of is a free psychological evaluation for turning in your gun. I couldn't think of a better one of I tried ! LOL.

FOLKS !, you aim the guns at these lying stealing bribe taking politicians, that is what they are for, that is what the second amendment is all about. The rest of the world is waiting. Really, even if governments of other countries support this shit that's going on, the people do not. Seventy percent of Europeans said in a poll that Bush was a greater threat to peace than Saddam or Bin Laden. (about 3 years ago). That may have changed after our tax dollars bombed the TV station (Al Jazeera) and the world could no longer see what was going on.

They have been trying for years to get us exempted from international law, intenational war crimes law, like in Nuremburg.

It is we who need the regime change.

T

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 12:05:50 AM

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OK taking you supposition at face value here so nothing personal.

1. Deaths by handgun in the US include suicides when they are quoted by anti gun folks.
2. Japan has a suicide rate much higher than ours but they simply use different means

So the frst step in making the comparison has to be to eliminate the suicides by gun in the US from the figure, certainly tje Jappanese people would be using guns for suicide if they had them. When you do that the deaths by guns in the US fall drasticly. It cuts it nearly in half.
Add to that the fact that deaths by guns in the US also includes all the government use of deadly force cases. That means every time a fleeing felon is killed by a police officer it gets recorded into the statistic they throw out there as Deaths By Gun.

I'm not sure you are not over romanticizing the idea that the Japaneese work towards a greater good. They have in fact a social structure and history of compliance and it has lead them to greatness as well as to terrible consequences.
There is much to be admired in the cultur but some of those same things we can admire in one breath we have to look at with our glasses on in the next and see the potential for costs.
Compliance led them to develop sciences that were well ahead of the West
Compliance led them to great follies (Battan Death March,
Korean Protitution, etc)

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 12:23:13 AM

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Archer, you da Man. Let's put ALL the nails in these gunshy idiots' coffins.

Remember a while back they were offering gifts for guns, turn in the gun and get a turkey or who knows, sometimes money ? The most appropo one I ever heard of is a free psychological evaluation for turning in your gun. I couldn't think of a better one of I tried ! LOL.

FOLKS !, you aim the guns at these lying stealing bribe taking politicians, that is what they are for, that is what the second amendment is all about. The rest of the world is waiting. Really, even if governments of other countries support this shit that's going on, the people do not. Seventy percent of Europeans said in a poll that Bush was a greater threat to peace than Saddam or Bin Laden. (about 3 years ago). That may have changed after our tax dollars bombed the TV station (Al Jazeera) and the world could no longer see what was going on.

They have been trying for years to get us exempted from international law, intenational war crimes law, like in Nuremburg.

It is we who need the regime change.

T

Amen brothers.....

I know we have a few hunters here and they like their guns {I'm personally not into killing animals} - I'm totally down with that. But seriously....like Termyn8or says : The guns are the leverage for us to use when we've had enough and negotiations breakdown with the politicians /beauracrats.

JMHO

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 12:25:16 AM

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Compliance led them to develop sciences that were well ahead of the West
Compliance led them to great follies (Battan Death March,
Korean Protitution, etc)

It is pleasant taking a night walk when it is too hot to sleep at 3am along the banks of the river in Kyoto and come across a young woman going about her business and exchange pleasantries without her thinking you might be a murderer or a rapist.

As for Japanese compliance leading to crimes against humanity, what about the west and slavery, the genocide of the plaines Indians, the genocide of the Jews and other crimes against humanity? This is a human problem and not a cultural problem per se.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 12:52:37 AM

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I have a gun in My home,have had one for as long as I can remember.
I like to go out and target practice rather than kill animals with it.
I keep it for protection,but I have knives for that purpose also.

I dont think any Government should be able to take away the rights to defend your
property whatever it may be and by any means neccesary.

Guns in the hands of the wrong people is the problem,like someone said a gun doesnt have an eraser on it.Take away the guns and they will just find another way to kill you.Someone intent on killing a person(s) will find a way.

Dont kid yourselves that there is less violence in other countries,I am sure there is a lot of things that never make it in the news in a Communist or Dictatatorship Government.

Does anyone remember the woman that ran her husband over when she saw him and his girlfriend in a parking lot...Just mention that to make a point that a car can be a weapon in the hands of the wrong person.

So rather than banning guns why dont we get the people using them off the street instead.I know that is like way too much work...banning guns is much easier.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 1:06:54 AM

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Dont kid yourselves that there is less violence in other countries,I am sure there is a lot of things that never make it in the news in a Communist or Dictatatorship Government.

I can assure you it is a lot less violent in other developed countries than in the US, that is not to say other countries don't have their problems but all 'developed' countries are less violent.

Murder stats in the UK for 2003 are 853. In the USA 16,110. If the US had the same murder rate as the UK, the US stat would be 4,265. Other western European stats are comparable to the UK, though the UK and the Netherlands have one of the lowest rates in the western world, Japan's are far less.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 1:48:11 AM

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If I want to kill someone or a mass group of people, I don't need a gun. Gas, poison, fire, or hijacking an airplane with a box cutter seems to get the job done much better than using some little device that goes pop.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 3:33:06 AM

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Hello A/all,

So I go to the Lair and watch people beat each other with single tails, I get to wondering how fun it would be to strap my submissive up to something and shoot her repeatedly with one of those cheap, spring powered bb guns.

Just me, probably wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

My son has a fully auto assault rifle thing, which shoots plastic balls at high speed in rapid succession Synergy - and they ping enough to sting up to 15ft away. Its battery powered and great fun. Might be ideal for your idea.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 3:41:10 AM

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When I was at school we had a sadistic gym teacher that made us hang from the wall bars while he shot plastic footballs at us. You'd end up with a torso full of red blotches. I'd doubt he'd get away with it now and I'm glad he didn't have access to a gun. I'm sure he would have eliminated a few small enemies.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 4:21:22 AM

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It seems it's always the same crowd that follows the gun threads. The same statistics get slung back and forth. But what you never see is a reversal of stance on the issue. It seems that no matter what statistics get presented, the bottom line is that it's an issue where the emotion that is tied to it is impenetrable to the facts. Anti gun folks will be anti gun folks....and pro gun folks will be pro gun.

I'm am sometimes a bit surprised by the arguments that some make to illustrate their point of view. For instance, on every single gun thread there are always those who make commentary about not participating in the killing of animals. I guess I just never realized how many Vegans there are here. At least I assume they are Vegans....otherwise those comments would be a bit on the hypocritical side.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 4:30:28 AM

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Mist - I'd shoot an animal, if I needed to in order to eat, but I dont, so I wont. And if I wanted to shoot animals, well I could take a bow to the forest here and shoot deer (totally illegally BTW - I'd be arrested just for having the bow in public here, let alone shooting deer with it). Its not about killing or injuring anyone or anything, even though thats the primary purpose of a gun. Its like you say, an emotional thing for me - I just like shooting stuff!

On the defence side, there's a black panther roaming round my area - released by some nut when the government nuts banned them as pets. I like walking in the forest, but I can tell you now, I'd be much happier to have a gun with me these days. The sight of the stripped carcass of a sheep at the edge of the forest kind of makes me nervous?

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 4:52:55 AM

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THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SECOND AMENDMENT DO NOT BELONG HERE. IT WAS SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN TO TRY TO ENSURE THE PEOPLE OF A MEANS TO ALTER OR ABOLISH THIS GOVERNMENT. THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND, YOU SAW WHERE THE COMMA IS PLACED. THAT MEANS ONE THING IN THE ENGLISH GRAMMATICAL SYSTEM. REBUT THIS, THE GOV NEEDS GUNS, SO DO THE PEOPLE, COME ON, WHO WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE ? REVOLUTIONISTS !

Blah, Blah, Blah. Another gun-toter acting like war is on his doorstep.

Living in a free state does not mean living free of personal or social responsibility. If you can't validate your beliefs without a gun, what hope does your "new regime" have for a future except to be gunned down by the next radical extremist with better aim than you have. The gun you own wont weep at your funeral.

There is a place for people who want to reap the benefits of civilization and not live responsibly.. its called prison. I suggest while you are there, you not drop the soap or then you'll really know what its like to have something forced upon you.

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 5:35:50 AM

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Zensee,

Find me a state constitution that makes it clear only the state has the right to guns.

Guns, when used properly don't kill either. I have shot thousands of guns tens of thousands of times and I have yet to kill anyone. Perhaps I am just doing it wrong but I don't think so.

Metalminnie, thanks for those VERY hot pictures!

*emphasis added"

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RE: another take on guns - 11/2/2006 5:36:02 AM

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Oh the coma... the COMA! (I'm not shouting either, just emoting.)

The coma says it all. Never, on the field of legal conflict, has one piece of punctuation done so much with so little. A tiny entrance wound, then that seriph goes to work and what a mess.

Guess it's all over but the shooting now. Go git them G-men, lads!

This is my deer-rifle. This is my deer-rifle taking on an Apache attack helicopter...

A gun, like political power, should be refused to those who most desire it.

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