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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 9:58:40 AM   
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Daddy gets my complete honesty. I could hedge for a bit maybe* whichI don't on serious questions* And then I tell him. I am so completely transparent that if I kept something from him it'd just pop out later like, guess what daddy monday I bought this great item, and it's so neat, and daddy would be like, what? You know you're not supposed to spend money this month because you're on money spending hiatus, and I'd be like opps, busted
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ORIGINAL: Bearlee

Honesty.  Well, with my partner I hope for complete honesty on both our parts so that communication and trust will always continue to grow.  Having said that, I agree with LA that perhaps Radical Honesty depends on the relationship.  I have not so much interest in being radically honest with every person who speaks to me.
 
Regarding 'some things are better left unsaid': Once there is a question...the topic is no longer 'unsaid'.  Once my Sir asks a question, he will get complete honesty.  I'm confident he would do the same for me.
 
just my two cents worth...
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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 10:00:01 AM   
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Ignored so far are those times when confession is more about clearing your own conciounse than anything that benifits them.
Sometimes confession will hurt them and help you. This has to be considered with the honesty issue.



Great point and I agree. 

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 10:02:23 AM   
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I just noticed that you are no longer looking Bearlee.. congrats and he is a lucky man! 


julia, thank you so much; I'm happier than I ever dreamed possible...

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 10:09:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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But are there some things better left unsaid?


Such as....?

Of course I tell him.  How else can he truly know me and run me effectively if he is using false data?  He needs to know where my head is at all times.  He needs to know where I struggle and what I breeze through.  He needs to know me inside and out, thoroughly, and this prevents HIM from making a mistake.  He relies on his knowledge of me to predict me, to push me, to pull me back, to ease up, to use me effectively without mentally/emotionally/physically harming me.  If I am covering up information, I am skewing the data he is depending on, and that could be detrimental.


Yummmmmmm... WELL SAID, owned.  A while ago, I was playing with a dear friend; a Dom who I trust completely.  In the scene he did something he is quite comfortable with, but which completely freaked me out (when I came to after passing out).  I appologized later for not having given him ALL the information he needed about me; that breath play might not such a good idea for a 58 yr old woman with HBP and who's mother died of a stroke when she was 42.

Oh wow, Bearlee, yes something like that needs to be communicated, silly!

I am required to be honest in all things with him.  He runs my life pretty intricately so leaving out information could alter his decisions.  I might think it's a minor piece of knowledge, but since I don't see the bigger picture that he does, it is not up to me to decide for him what is important and what is not.

And contrats! :)

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 10:09:52 AM   
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Dnomyar

How 'bout an example of your intent.  Maybe something has happened to you recently which will better define your original question which you would share.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 10:11:58 AM   
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I agree with most but I was told many years ago that "Honesty with out compassion is creulity" My 2 cents.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 10:20:55 AM   
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Why are people afraid of honesty when it comes to their long term partner?  I can understand telling someone that you aren't ready to share something, that you need to sort it out inside yourself first- but really what's the ultimate reasoning behind withholding something from someone you want to spend your life with in an emotional attachment? 

Granted, I HAVE lied and cheated on past partners, I know exactly how I justified it at that point in my life and now I can truly say that my reasons were selfish insecure crap that I used to make myself feel better.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 10:31:41 AM   
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LA I am not stating that someone is afriad to be honest but rather using caution with some topics. Like "does this make me look fat" as an example. While the honest answer might be yes it does many would not be as bold to say that. What i was saying with compassion is that if you were asked that question and responded "yes it makes you look like a fat cow why did you ever buy it" would be constitued as creulity not honesty.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 10:37:16 AM   
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How much honesty should there be in a relationship. If you make a mistake that your partner dosent know about should you tell them. Is a little white lie ok.

Are you are willing to find out the consequenses if and when that little white lie might be discovered is the question. Obviously if you are concerned enough about what might have hapeend to think it should be hidden from your partner, then you also know that there might be some sort of consequense for it. 
Angel is almost completely honest with me.  There is one thing I do know about that he has not opted to tell me, and I dont think he knows I know.  His reasons for keeping this little secret are NOT to cover a mistake or to hide an action. They are beacsue he is planning a surprise. He has lied about having this knowledge, but the reason is different.

I suppose that is the answer.  It depends on your motivation for the white lie.  If you are trying to avoid puishment for something you did that you shouldnt have done, or you are hiding something important from your partner, then no, that isnt good.  If you are planning something, like a surprise, then I dont think its quite the same.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 11:09:19 AM   
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I would like to come back and address the "are some things better left unsaid"  and "what if it will hurt them but clear your conscience" ideas.   This is a reverse reply becaus __I__ was the one left in the dark until it 'came out'.

Argent and I have been "hoping to find" a 3rd to add to our home.  He and were both very attached to a young lady way back in the beginning and she said she was to us; to the point that after months of emails chats and phone calls, we were ready to meet.  We purchased her plane ticket, round trip, made plans for a one week visit, no strings and pre-agreed no sex,etc.  Her family discovered her plans and told her it was sick and if she came she was never welcome to come back, so she told us she could not come.  I think I was more devestated than Argent and she was to be "his" girl.  She wanted to stay in touch, but we told her it was not a good idea, we all needed to get on with what we wanted in our lives.  OK, I know you all see this coming - every time she faced a problem or an upset, she would call him on his cell phone, sometimes even at 2 or 3 am.  He couldn't tell her no, he was still so in love with her.  Yet he never told me about it because he knew it would open the wound in my heart and he wanted to spare me.  But this went on for 2 or 3 months and yes finally I did hear his phone at 3am and saw him scurry out of the room to talk.  First of all - it scared me to death because at that time of the night, it seemed likely to be a family emergency call.  Then when I was sitting up in bed worried when he came back, he had to tell me who it was and it had been going on all along, and why he did not tell me.  What it sounded like to me was someone who knew they should have said something sooner and felt guilty and was trying to cover their butt. The fact he had continued to talk to her behind my back after he and I had discussed it at length and both agreed that no contact was really better for everyone hurt me far more than if he had just said ... "she called me and really needs someone to talk to, and I have decided it is OK for me to be that someone."  If only he had said that, I would have been able to deal wiht it, but his way was a serious breach of my trust in him.  Fast forward, keep in mind I knew they were talking and had gotten it straight in my head, we had put together a box of things for her - copies of emails and chats (her comp had crashed and she lost it all), a letter from each of us, and a gift from each of us.  Then we had decided it was best NOT to send it to her because she was getting married by then and thinking about her new husband seeing this and seeing what it was about (she lived smack dab in the middle of the deep southern bible belt) might not be a good idea.  She broke up with him and asked if she could have the box, and once again, without mentioning it at all,  he just sent it.  The last thing we had agreed on was not to send it, and yes her circumstances changed, but all it would have taken was him saying ... "BTW, now that he is not living with her I am sending her the box."  Instead it just sort of 'came out' during a particularly stressful time about a month later.  It is funny in retrospect, but we were at dinner on valentines evening in a nice place, trying really hard to figure some things out, and he let's that slip ... well - I had a fork in my hand and in a nanno second I had flipped it around held like a knife and i said, pretty much in my "outside voice"  ...   " if I could get away with it, I would stab you with this right now" and at that moment I meant it ( but they all moved away from us on the groupW bench! LMAO) 

Suffice to say, we have worked that all out and moved forward to an even better place in our relationship.  But, even though he really did think knowing these things would open up hurts for me, his going behind my back hurt worse. Especially when even though we often discuss things before he makes a decision,  once he does make the decision I have no more say and I know that.  So all he had to do was say it ... and I would have dealt with it and gotten over it; and what he did made me doubt myself and our relationship.
So even when it might hurt, not being honest is not always the best approach.  To me it boils down to each perosn has to know themselves and the other person(s) involved.  You are there and you know what will push their buttons.  Each relationship and each situation is different, but I still stand by that for us in our relationship, honesty is always always always best.
Opal

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 11:21:56 AM   
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What about this one:

Partner:  "Would you like to see such and such a movie?"
You:  (thinking NO...but you want to please him) "Sure, I'd love to"
Partner:  "Cool, s/he LIKES this kind of movie, I'll remember that"
You:  (now doomed to be dragged to every movie of that genre) 

Or it could be a side dish of that (sometimes) slimy vegetable; okra.  NEVER tell someone it's good if ya don't really like it; you'll be doomed to have it on your plate for every 'special' dinner forever more!

LOL,
bearlee (who tries to take the pain out of 'painfully honest', but who is still that honest)


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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 11:29:50 AM   
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Aye, she's wise.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 11:58:28 AM   
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Well, I guess it depends... It has been said quite rightly that one has to be honest, but not blunt. I was going out with a girl (vanilla relationship, although she said to be interested in some BDSM. It never happened) who was very self-conscious about her looks. I'd sometimes tell her she looked great when she was perhaps not looking her best. If there was something clearly wrong (i.e; a shirt that looked outright awful or the like) I would try to mention it very tactfully, but if (as it happened more than once) she looked a little sleepy, but other than that just fine, what was I going to say? Knowing her, she wouldn't understand that it was just a little thing and that I still found her very pretty.

On the other hand, if for example a little 'mishap' happened while carrying out a Dom's order, or even if you are doing something you know your significant other will have a problem with, you better tell the truth or else...  but not the good kind

Ultimately, truth is very important but tact is just as important as well. We all know when we should tell the truth and when a little white lie is a better choice. If we feel guilty about it, then we better tell the truth, no matter how hard it may be!

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 12:21:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

How much honesty should there be in a relationship. If you make a mistake that your partner dosent know about should you tell them. Is a little white lie ok.



There is nothing more detrimental to the authenticity of submission than embracing any form of lie as acceptable in any circumstance. Transparency is crucial if an authority structure is to be properly honed. White lies—even those of omission—do more to sabotage and undermine the structure of authority than disobedience itself. Transparency is correlative to seeing; it is a consciously upheld state of honesty that is made available to be observed. Lack of complete transparency indicates a hidden nature; lack of trust, buried resentment, unconquered ego, deep-rooted fear or a subversive guile are the usual velvety creatures living behind that facade. To conquer them, one must learn self-honesty first.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 1:15:14 PM   
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Honesty cannot be over stated. To tell you the truth it is so much easier on the brain than trying to remember some bs made up story. Besides, I have never been bright enough to juggle those lies.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 1:37:53 PM   
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Or, how 'bout this one:
 
Partner:  Does my butt look fat in these pants?
You:  (thinking maybe it does but don't want to miss that movie) "Ya know, I'm not really sure if they fit right; but I like those other ones better, anyway."
 
I really like when honesty can be win/win   
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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 1:43:07 PM   
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You know, it rarely is other than a woman asking that question, and in my case it would be honey, which one of these dresses should I wear, therefore avoiding the question altogether..........

and women can simply say, Is that what you're wearing, with a real quizzical look on their face, and men will say, ok--- what should I wear---once again obviating the need for actual gluteal discourse at movie time.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 1:44:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
Granted, I HAVE lied and cheated on past partners, I know exactly how I justified it at that point in my life and now I can truly say that my reasons were selfish insecure crap that I used to make myself feel better.


LOL...dang, that is being kind of hard on yourself. It sounds like a fundamentalist revival... I have sinned. I would leave my mistakes at the justification. Yeah, I did wrong, but I was feeling kind of down that day.

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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 1:54:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

How much honesty should there be in a relationship. If you make a mistake that your partner dosent know about should you tell them. Is a little white lie ok.


This is a particularly touchy topic for me. I will try to explain.

Every relationship I have had up to now has been based upon a careful balance of acceptable lies. While we all (or most of us) would simply love to be in relationships of complete and total honesty it seems not everyone is comfortable with it. I know people that would rather change the subject, leave the room, start an argument, ANYTHING, to avoid hearing the truth. There are ALOT of people that prefer to live in their blissful denial. They believe that there are "things better left unspoken".

So, dream of it, or enjoy it if you have it. Unfortunately it is not everyone's reality.


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RE: Honesty in a relationship - 11/6/2006 2:04:37 PM   
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On a serious level, I don't lie to my Master.......I actively want him to know me but in a lighter way I fib to him and he's well aware of it BECAUSE he knows me. I know he knows and he knows that I know he knows.......it's a little like a silly cat and mouse game. * Will he suss it this?* I find it amusing.

Of course it's a big fat lie when asked * Are you in bed yet?*...and I say *Errrm,almost*..........when I'm actually downstairs frantically grabbing a snack ( which I probably am not meant to have, either) ....because I left things too late in my usual scatty way. He can TELL that I'm not where I'm meant to be and it can be really funny trying to outwit him by creeping about and hoping the stairs won't creak as I sneak up them. Does that bother him or me?...Not at all.

It's all lying but frankly I can't be too po-faced about lying, per se.

As for lying overall, I do. I've said it before, I know....... but there are circumstances when a lie, in my opinion and for ME, is the nicest or kindest way of dealing with something. I certainly do not lose sleep over it.

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