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RE: Goddess - 11/10/2006 11:13:04 PM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		It was suggested that I mention in here that sometimes a sub starts a Domme on the title, and it just sticks.  I was never Goddess until angel started using it.  Now, it sticks, and I ratehr like it.
Sometimes, some of these girls might have had someone use it, liked it and just kept it.
Angel got me a shirt that says Goddess which I wear.  I love it, and I tink its ratehr reflective of our relationship.  He wears his Angel shirt and I my Goddess shirt when we go out.We know what it means, no one else does

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RE: Goddess - 11/10/2006 11:14:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sissypinky

We see plenty of men using God as their title Ma'am . Search under "Lord". In regards to young women for most of them its quite simply a style of domination. Amazons, Mistress, Goddess, Nursemaid, MommyDom, etc... are various forms of domination. The title Goddess has been around for a long time in our community. You take it to literally.


I agree as well, actually. I don't think they are believing themselves to actually be dieties. I think its more of an "I am a Goddess and shall be treated as such.." sort of thing.

But you know what? I see so many women constantly referring to themselves in a negative way, believing themselves to not be beautiful or precious or special because that is what society has taught them, that its nice to me for a change to see women who refer to themselves in a positive way, like "Goddess". I wish all women could see themselves for the goddesses they truly are.


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RE: Goddess - 11/10/2006 11:21:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire
It was suggested that I mention in here that sometimes a sub starts a Domme on the title, and it just sticks.  I was never Goddess until angel started using it.  Now, it sticks, and I ratehr like it.
DV
See?!  Sometimes we learn about ourselves through them.   I read about different types of dominance when I first began learning about wiitwd 3-5years back.  I found that Goddess style suited me best...  And while I have certainly never been about thinking I am the lord thy master (to everyone), I have been known to tell a boy courting me that my suggestions ought to be taken as "the gospel", lol.   M

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RE: Goddess - 11/10/2006 11:40:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

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ORIGINAL: Sissypinky

We see plenty of men using God as their title Ma'am . Search under "Lord". In regards to young women for most of them its quite simply a style of domination. Amazons, Mistress, Goddess, Nursemaid, MommyDom, etc... are various forms of domination. The title Goddess has been around for a long time in our community. You take it to literally.


I agree as well, actually. I don't think they are believing themselves to actually be dieties. I think its more of an "I am a Goddess and shall be treated as such.." sort of thing.

But you know what? I see so many women constantly referring to themselves in a negative way, believing themselves to not be beautiful or precious or special because that is what society has taught them, that its nice to me for a change to see women who refer to themselves in a positive way, like "Goddess". I wish all women could see themselves for the goddesses they truly are.



Yes exactly.
You have a lovely way of thinking.  That your not offended by it says a lot.  More women should be supportive about other women using it.      

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RE: Goddess - 11/10/2006 11:41:51 PM   
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RE: Goddess - 11/10/2006 11:55:30 PM   
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honestly I think it's just a way of sounding more experienced and a better Domme. And the young idiot subs who are just there for quick kinky sex and don't know a thing about the lifestyle just lap it up


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RE: Goddess - 11/10/2006 11:58:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		For some,it is a way to make themselves sound more experienced. The sme goes for throwwing around jargon. Others truly believe themselves to be Goddess material. And who is to say that in the eyes of their pets, they arent Goddesses (or wont be)?

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 12:12:09 AM   
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I tend to equate "Mistress", actually, as sounding more experienced than the title Goddess.  I think the ones that choose the title Goddess do so not to seem more experienced but because its simple the style of dominance they relate to.

I like all styles of female domination. I tend to equate Mistress akin to a leather dominatrix witha  dungeon, and Governess as a woman with a cane or hair brush who deals with naughty boys in age play and a Goddess as a woman who has slaves that are there to service and adore her and a Nursemaid as a woman who tends to naughty school boys as well, etc.  I know everyone is different and some overlap and have  slight variations.  I love all forms and styles of women dominants.

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 1:16:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

For some,it is a way to make themselves sound more experienced. The sme goes for throwwing around jargon. Others truly believe themselves to be Goddess material. And who is to say that in the eyes of their pets, they arent Goddesses (or wont be)?


As an apologist for the "Ya know, I have a name, go ahead and call me by that name" crowd, I would like to point out something.

It seems to me the problems arise when person A, who has person B through Z as submissive / slaves / bottoms / whatever, insists that every Tom, Dick, and Harriet in the room refer to them as God/dess.

Somebody can call their Top whatever the hell they want.  I am polite, not emotionally involved, and non-confrontational so I will probably play nice in the kindergarten sandbox amd refer to them as God/dess, but I think insisting other people refer to them with some Major Honorific is juvenile and idiotic.

This is just me, and I could be wrong.

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 5:15:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

For some,it is a way to make themselves sound more experienced. The sme goes for throwwing around jargon. Others truly believe themselves to be Goddess material. And who is to say that in the eyes of their pets, they arent Goddesses (or wont be)?


As an apologist for the "Ya know, I have a name, go ahead and call me by that name" crowd, I would like to point out something.

It seems to me the problems arise when person A, who has person B through Z as submissive / slaves / bottoms / whatever, insists that every Tom, Dick, and Harriet in the room refer to them as God/dess.

Somebody can call their Top whatever the hell they want.  I am polite, not emotionally involved, and non-confrontational so I will probably play nice in the kindergarten sandbox amd refer to them as God/dess, but I think insisting other people refer to them with some Major Honorific is juvenile and idiotic.

This is just me, and I could be wrong.

Sinergy


Actually, I agree completely.  Whatever pet terms people want to use in their own relationships doesn't concern me a bit.
 
But unless someone has the papers to prove it, I'll be more likely to laugh in someone's face rather than use "Master", "Mistress", "Goddess", etc.  That's the kind of response that people invite when they crown themselves.
 
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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 5:58:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sissypinky

Yes thank You Ma'am- I would..

I tend to equate "Mistress", actually, as sounding more experienced than the title Goddess.  I think the ones that choose the title Goddess do so not to seem more experienced but because its simple the style of dominance they relate to.

I like all styles of female domination. I tend to equate Mistress akin to a leather dominatrix witha  dungeon, and Governess as a woman with a cane or hair brush who deals with naughty boys in age play and a Goddess as a woman who has slaves that are there to service and adore her and a Nursemaid as a woman who tends to naughty school boys as well, etc.  I know everyone is different and some overlap and have  slight variations.  I love all forms and styles of women dominants.

That's a good way to explain it all.  I hadn't thought of it all that way. 
 
However, the "anti-label" crow will pitch a fit.  But actually you make perfect sense.

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 6:09:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Somebody can call their Top whatever the hell they want.  I am polite, not emotionally involved, and non-confrontational so I will probably play nice in the kindergarten sandbox amd refer to them as God/dess, but I think insisting other people refer to them with some Major Honorific is juvenile and idiotic.


I agree that it is idiotic to expect EVERYONE to call you by a name like this, and furthermore I will not use titles for other dominants socially without good cause.  I don't think it is "polite" for me to use an honoriffic like "goddess", "lord", "mistress/master", etc. if I have no reason; I would consider it pandering.  I'm not looking for a submissive relationship with the vast majority of people I meet, male or female.  So when I use a title like that, it actually means something rather specific.

Male or female, older or younger, I will never call someone by a "top" title unless that person is actually superior to me in some way that I recognize and honor.  This is true of my professors, my sensei, my mother, and the occasional spiritual mentor.  It is not true of some dipstick who has done nothing to earn my respect other than walk into a room wearing a pair of leather pants.

If I call a professor "doctor", an instructor "sir/ma'am", my trainer "sensei", my mentor "my lady" or "mistress", etc., it's not just because that person just happened to pick those names for a handle in a fit of inflated ego.  It's because they earned the title, usually by years of hard work, experience, discipline and sacrifice.  And because I recognize the authority they've achieved and from which I can benefit, if I show them proper respect.

I agree that a very young woman is unlikely to have earned the use of the word "goddess", from me personally.  I wouldn't say it was impossible, of course!  Just unlikely.    But I wouldn't dispute the use of the word in her on-line handle or in her personal relationships with her own submissives.  Just because she's not a goddess to me doesn't mean she isn't a goddess to anyone. 

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 6:58:39 AM   
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I think what some of you may be missing is that the OP did not say what context "I am Goddess" was used in... He didn't say whether it was written in a personal ad, or said jokingly to a group of friends, or shouted to everyone said "young woman" meets.

I agree that expecting everyone to call you by a certain title denotes a scary, overinflated ego, or a complete lack thereof. But honestly, I haven't met ANY young women yet who expects everyone to call them "Goddess". Am I alone in this?

Can the OP please explain what context his question is in?

< Message edited by Lorelei115 -- 11/11/2006 6:59:52 AM >

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 7:22:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		In addition to that, there are several women that I would not consider old by any stretch of the imagination but are not young girls either, that use the term Goddess and it does not bother me one iota. I feel I know enough about them as a woman to understand the context in which they use it and how they view themselves.

I guess in following and reading this thread since its inception I have looked at the original subject in several different lights and can see validity in most all of them. I was originally viewing the topic from one narrow perspective based on the use of the word "young" and voicing my opinion from there. If the original post had been worded differently I would have had a different emotional response to it and it would have probably given my original post a different thought process.

I do get annoyed at some of the profiles I read of young women that are quite obvious in their words, very selfish and imature. They remind me of many of the college girls I come across in my work. So snotty and full of themselves yet underneath it all so insecure. Their priorities are all out of wack and it just alternately pisses me off and makes me sad. I want to shake them and wake them up to what I see from my perspective, how really amazing being a woman is.

Someone stated something about the goddess term being a sign of them reaching out for that amazing feminine power. I agree, I just wish there was a way that they could learn it in a different manner. Maybe we need to start some Goddess education centres. I say that tongue in cheek but there is some serious feeling behind it. I think as a society we have gotten so out of touch with the special differences of our genders regardless of being dominant or submissive. Regardless of the life path a person takes there should be a joy and confidence in our unique differences and what we can contribute to those we love and the universe.

I am just saddened when I see a young woman that is struggling with her identity and using it in a way that gives the appearance of creating negativity rather than celebrating something wonderful. That is the difference I see in most "young" goddesses versus some of the more life experienced Goddesses.

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 11/11/2006 7:23:19 AM >

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 7:27:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly! Isn't it funny how 10 different people can read the same words and bring 10 different reactions and interpretations to it? And on going back and reading those words again, those 10 different people can have yet another 10 totally different reactions from before!

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 7:32:31 AM   
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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 12:29:32 PM   
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A lot of younger women use I am a Goddess.  What is your impression when you see this?


My reaction is the same as that of several of the Dommes here, which is that I think they're mostly fronting. A lot of them are conventionally very pretty, and in all probability they've been getting adoration from guys (and a lot of girls too) since ninth grade or so. So they have known about the superficial aspects of Female erotic power for quite a while now. The problem I see in quite a few such young would-be Dominants is the same one they've been having since they discovered what their looks and a little attitude would do--it's too easy for them, and so they don't develop their other capacities enough. I also see a lot of younger women acting all Goddessy in
Sarah Gold (11/11/2006 10:45:28 AM): the online lesbian D/s world, which is big in some of the "communities" like Yahoo 360. As has been said, some of them will become real Dommes in due course and some of them will just pass through it as a phase on the way back to vanilla.

At 28 I guess I still qualify as a younger woman, but I rarely if ever call myself "Goddess." I have a couple of subs with whom I have been close for a long time and whom I allow to call me that, but it was their idea. Most of My subs just call me "Miss," which is fine with me. This is partly because I have my own experience of and views about "the Goddess." I use the word to name an apparently transpersonal force of Female erotic power that "enters me" (in quotes because I don't think She really comes from "outside" me) when I am properly attuned to My sub in scene. When She is uppermost in me, what I think of as "me" is more or less sidelined and I am acting on intuition and impulse with very little conscious thought. I would say it's the same as when I'm dancing or surfing (or playing tennis, back before the blown left knee)--just being "in the zone"--except for the feeling of another personality, an archetypal one, that fills me when that happens. The closest I can come is descriptions from accounts of Voudoun and Santeria of being "ridden" by one of the Loa or gods, except that as I say, there is a kind of flicker of my normal self-process or ego still there, mostly observing, occasionally restraining (She appears not to share my SSC ethics when in Her wilder aspects, and is more sadistic than "I" am).

I make no metaphysical claims about the Goddess--I tend to agree with William Blake that "all Deities reside in the Human breast"--but I'm enough of a Jungian to think that there are transpersonal forms transmitted through the deep patterns in human culture. Increasingly I tend to think that the Goddess manifests when I tune in to the anima or feminine aspect of the sub I am with. Every male carries around at least one imago of female power in this form, and once I connect with it, I generate a sort of arc of D/s energy that is very powerful. It also gets me very hot!

This may be TMI, but I've written quite a bit abput this on My blogspot blog, and anyone who's interested can PM Me for the link.

As to Female Supremacy: I'm a moderate Fem Supremacist in the sense that I think that *on average*, women have more of the skills and talents needed for leading a globally interdependent and ecologically fragile and threatened world toward peace, justice, and sustainability. Claims of some general "superiority" of women have no basis in fact, fun as they might be in the context of D/s play. Supposedly Dominant women who assert them seriously are IMO just responding antithetically to (very real) oppression and discrimination--kind of like the Nation of Islam about black people or whatever.


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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 12:38:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I think the same thing as when I come accross someone making any other lavish display of dominance.  It always gives me a chuckle and I'm like, "You go!"

I tend to admire qualities that I could never hope to adopt as my own.

edited to add: So long as its good natured.  If its one of those cranky female superiority types, I just move on without pausing to appreciate.

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 12:45:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, for Someone i'd like to worship, Goddess could be appropriate though.

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RE: Goddess - 11/11/2006 1:42:46 PM   
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