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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/12/2006 7:15:54 PM   
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It is as simple as knowing what you are doing.  If you do not, then by all means, burden yourself down with a firewall.  But bear this in mind.  I do have a firewall.  A linux box, sitting over there in the corner.  I dare you to try and get past it.  It stops nothing going out though.


As anticipated. And proof that you don't know what you are doing.

Previously you have been foolish enough to recommend things like Windowblinds, which is known to routinely crash systems with unnecessary eye-candy.

In this thread you have recommended Avast antivirus which fails the Eicar file test.

Then you told people they didn't need a firewall *IF* they knew what they were doing. And as antipicated what you meant by that was exactly what I said in my earlier post: "they are still filtering their internet connections by some other means and haven't figured out that they are still basically using something that might as well be called a firewall." In this case you admit you are behind a whole other computer running Linux and *GASP* a software firewall of the kind others shouldn't *BURDEN* themselves with. I bet you are silly enough to be using what is basically security through obscurity (i.e. you think linux can't be cracked and think you are therefore safe).

Further you admit you aren't even attempting to filter outbound connections - the very means used by trojan viruses to attack a system from within. Funny how you are willing to burden yourself with crap like windowblinds but not a useful security utility like a software firewall.

All in all I'd say you know little more than a monkey with a hammer.

People, do not take advice from this proven know-nothing - get yourself equipped with antivirus, anti-spyware, and a firewall. All of this stuff is free on the internet and it won't take you that long to figure out what you need and from whom using google. Learn to administrate your box if you cannot afford to have someone do it for you.

Go here:
http://dealspl.us/groups/group.php?groupid=2&topicid=22

And find the link to those two deals for Black Friday. There's a whole computer with flat screen going for $190 USD and a laptop going for $380 USD. Compared to what some of you are using those systems would be ideal. Beef up the desktop model with another RAM card to get you 1GB of RAM. These systems both come with MS Windows XP Home Edition that itself includes a rudimentary firewall. Now maybe you can't afford those items, but you are only hampering yourself by sticking with systems that are older than six years. Hang on tightly, let go lightly.

If you are able to get a DSL/Cable connection, get that over dial-up. My DSL connection costs me $15 a month as a package deal with my land line phone. They even provide the modem. If you have a high speed connection make sure to place a router between your computer and the modem, it has a NAT firewall on it that will help you out. Even with the router I'd recommend you use a software firewall.




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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 12:26:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ummm.  Very tired at the moment, but personally I do not use Windowblinds.  I tried it out for a while and found it had too many problems.

Can not follow the rest right now..  I will come back to it tomorrow.

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 8:24:53 AM   
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Update:  I deleted Firefox from my hard drive, then downloaded and re-installed it again. This time it worked. I was able to get into the other side for the first time since Wednesday and finally retrieve my mail. 

However, I was not able to respond to the mail. So I came here to report this, and discovered that I could no longer post new or respond to other posts while using Firefox.

So I logged off, and signed on again using Internet Explorer to come here and make this report.

Also, I noticed that even though I was finally able to fully load up the home page on the other side... everything else here and elsewhere loads notably slower using Firefox, compared to Internet Explorer.   


New Update: I was able to send a brief message through a brief profile on the other side this morning while using Firefox. However, I couldn't send a full message through the full profile. Nor could I respond to a post here on this side through Firefox.

I returned through IE to post this.

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 9:24:22 AM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		Ok..  First, you get what you pay for.  Computers do not give you something for nothing, a common misconception to sell you crap.  Be very careful who you buy from.

Second, Windowblinds issue was not that it crashed the computer.  It presented visual glitches which I did not find appealing.  Actually they kind of annoyed Me, so I uninstalled it.  I have NEVER actually recommended it.  However, I HAVE been asked how I achieved certain looks on the computer, so I told them how I did it.  It is a neat program, but they never do seem to get it right.

Third, the firewall I use prevents attacks coming into the network.  I have servers, printers and workstations sitting behind it.  However, the Windows XP SP2 firewall is sufficient for most attacks.  If someone wants to get into your system, nothing is going to stop them.  You have to ask yourself what is so important that you have that they would even want to bother you.  They do, after all, have better things to do.

You are completely misguided about trojans.  Trojans do not come through the firewall to attack you.  Trojans you install yourself.  That is right.  Any trojan that is on your computer, you put there.  No firewall can 100% compensate for user error.  You have to be minimally competent.  That is why Avast! coupled with Prevx1 is so important.  It picks up on most of these problems when you fuck up so that you do not have to worry about a program dialing out.

I have a website that I use for testing computer security programs.  I will not give it out, it is extremely wicked, but it amptly detects the flaws in your thinking, Chaingang.  People like you think that if you install Firefox you are immune from Internet threats, for example.  Well, I put them to the test.  All three browsers.  ALL THREE BROWSERS FAILED.  Why?  Because websites are now capable of using non-conventional methods of installing malware on your computer without you even knowing it.

Here is the fun part.  I tested different antivirus and malware software.  AVG MISSED THEM COMPLETELY.  Avast! caught them and would not even let the page load.  Norton failed the test as well.  I did not try McAffee on that site, but it is worse than Norton.

So the suggestion then?  Rather than trying to put a bandaid (Zone Alarm or other firewall) on an open sore, how about trying to prevent the sore to begin with?  That is when Avast! and Prevx1 come into action.  Prevx1 will popup a nice little dialogue about ANYTHING that is trying to run on your computer and tell you exactly what it is.

I suggest that rather than blurt out what you read and take it as gospel that you try these things for yourself.  I have a dozen different antivirus packages sitting here.  The ones I use the most are Panda Businessecure for My network, AVG for My laptop and Avast! for everything else.  Prevx1 is a must for cleaning up the crap from my client's computers.

I get clients like you all the time.  The most infections I cleaned off one single computer in one afternoon was 13,000.  At $50.00 an hour it is better to just start fresh, but they need to preserve the installation usually so I have to sit there and manually get rid of them..  So I get pretty pissed when someone like you comes in and says I do not know what I am talking about when I have to explain to people like you why their bill is several hundred dollars.  I work fast, I know exactly where to look most the time, but still...  13k infections takes a long time to get rid of.

For the average user, Avast! offers more complete protection and more advanced heuristics than AVG with a very small footprint.  If you want to argue false positives, I have experience with quite a few AV programs that are well known for false positives.

I have read the reviews on AV programs, and most of them are sold out bunk.  Any review that tells you that Norton and Mcaffee are better than Panda/AVG/Avast!/NOD32 are smoking pot.  I have worked on TONS of computers that had either Norton or Mcaffee installed that were so badly infected I could barely get them to run.  PANDA and TREND MICRO cleaned them up.

So...  Realizing, as diligent consumers that we are, that the AV market is big business and a hotly contested market, before you blurt out unsubstantiated corporate bullshit, I suggest you get your hands in there and try it for yourself.

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 9:26:56 AM   
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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 9:39:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Panda is amazing, Ron.  As a Panda reseller I get all their products for free.  Thing is, I got into them because I was servicing a client's network that had Panda Enterprisecure on there and I was really impressed with it.  I got on the phone with Panda and said that I wanted to sell for them.  I gave them My vendor permit number and company name.  They gave Me a key for all their products, a rep and a reseller ID and said go nuts.  The one I chose for Myself is Businessecure because it runs off the server, distributes clients to all the workstations that have very minimal footprints and the detection is phenomenal.  I do get the occasional false positive, however, but I can live with that.

The only thing I DO NOT like about Panda, is that their Platinum edition is a total resource hog.  You need a minimum 512MB of RAM in XP or it will bog your system down.  It also does the occasional stupid thing like block all email traffic.  A simple fix, but geez.   The nice thing is that nothing gets past it.

Ah well.  Norton is a complete resource hog too, and it is nothing but crap, so which would you rather have?  lol

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 9:46:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I leave the warnings on for a laugh, the kids are really loving the bots out there and the 19 year old foreign chicks that want you to take them and their sister (particularily because of your deep understanding of them) after a Hi post and you can talk to me, but you have to do all the yahoo R U KEWL chats while they try to knock into you are endless hours of amusement to me. 

Panda is cheap (I used Titanium), it is good and one would hope they might be able to improve the resources issue, but for many years to come, I think one will need to have a computer that is three or four more times powerful than you really need to keep the woodticks off you. 


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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 11:12:34 AM   
subjected2006


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Status: offline 		I was reading  the posts on this thread and was happy to see that there are those who have made their own pcs..
thats what we did..in an anatech wave costum case..
an AMD 64 bit 3000 on a MSI NForce motherboard(because of the 7.1 on board surround sound)
1 gig DDR 400..with two160 SATA drives (we have room for 6 more..woo woo)
and a Radeon x700pro video card..
and we use windows xp home
and this time we went with a anatech 430 trupower power supply

There are lots of goodies on this pc..I see there is a discusion about protection..
We have found that norton is not worth a damn..just our observation,,but we started out with norton
and we have valid reasons for not using it.
We use zonealarm..Avast..and there are a few others that use..but we rely mostly on these two.
Just  yesterday..I opened a mail from someone on collarme and my mouse became useless..I could click
but nothing happened..it started working again so I attributed it to lag (should have known better but I never
assume the worst ..)I  opened another mail from this same site(and subbie) and it happened again.
So this time I hard shut down( yes I know..I 'll bend over ,you can come spank me good ) and brought it up in safe mode.
I had AdAware (lavasoft scan for it.it took forever)
There were 8 bugs and I have quarenteed some and deleted others.
The problem seems to be fixed,,has anyone else had this happen to them?
And one more point..and I only know this because my oldest kid does web pages(reads code)
Internet explorer reads and allows you to use more java(for instance)
The reason why Firefox is less resource piggy is because it doesnt read or use as much java..but it's a more secure browser.
(just my opinion..)


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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 12:38:09 PM   
subjected2006


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the best concoction to use to protect your pc are these..
(and they all have free editions for home use.)
Windows DefenderBeta2
Zone alarm (Zonelabs .com)is a firewall(very user friendly)
AdAwareSE by (Lavasoft.com)
Avast..antivirus..(avast .com)be sure you do a boot scan when you first install..
Spybot Search and Destroy.(safer-networking.org)
windows defender.avast and zonealarm are the only three that we run continuously.

and a good site to become familiar is
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3155.html
and computing.net
there is a really good program called Hijackthis..it is a browser hijacker detecter/killer..
you basically install and run it as a check ,,this is a good example of a time when
you need to RTFM
LOL
love that...
well basically thats every bit of knowledge I have about pcs..




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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 12:59:46 PM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		one thing in protecting your pc that is often overlooked

keyboard access

would you give your unmentionables friends the keys to your car?

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 1:15:50 PM   
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the kids are the ones that know everything  here...


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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/13/2006 6:20:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello again....

So far I'm still not able to get into Collarme, or bring up any of the profiles there which I have bookmarked (which I previously could, logged in or not.) I'm guessing no one has heard any official word from management on if or when they might fix whatever problem has been caused by some sort of 'improvement' or recent 'tweak' of the site they have done.... because no one here has mentioned hearing from management. And we obviously haven't heard anything from any Moderators either. This is so discouraging.

Short of just giving up entirely on ever being a part of this site again (which I don't want to do).... can I please talk some more of you who are so good about giving excellent geek advice (and I've certainly made note of much of it for future reference), into also taking a moment and notifying management on Collarme of the problem??? I think it would be helpful to direct them to this discussion thread so they'll know what's been tried and not tried. It might better help them to diagnose and fix the problem on their end. I KNOW there must be many, many more of us who are not able to log in and affected by whatever change Collarme has made to the site, than the ones of us who have come here to seek help about it.
 
One last geek question.... with all the discussion on updating, and making sure everything is in top notch working condition on our systems, I'm updating my Internet Explorer (right now I can't add Firefox to my system... and I'm not sure it would help now that I've seen some of the feedback from those who've added it in an attempt to access the website). In so doing I'm getting stopped by this error message:
! Windows Update Setup
A previous installation has pending work requiring a reboot. You need to restart your computer to complete that installation before running Internet Explorer Setup. Setup will now close.
I have rebooted multiple times with no success as I get this messege each time. I have no other programs I know of waiting to install... I've run all my diagnostic tools multiple times, including CCleaner, Adaware, Scandisk, Defrag, etc, etc..... all with no change. My qustion is this.... does someone know of a way I can bypass this error and so I can accomplish what I need to do?????

Any and all help appreciated..... and PLEASE... the more of you who notify Collarme management of this problem so many of us are having with their site.... the more likely the problem will be addressed and fixed. If I could access the site I would not ask others to notify management... but I can't, so I must rely on the rest of you who CAN access the site.

Sincere thanks,

budderflywings~

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/14/2006 4:34:08 AM   
MetalDom


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Status: offline 		Simply writing to *Support* has never helped me with any situation I have had in regards to the site.
I recommend, that those who are still able, call up the profile of Moderator one ,
and inform that person there is an issue, and that this issue seems to involve *only* the collarme site, by sending email.
MB

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/14/2006 4:50:14 AM   
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I haven't been able to get into the other side to retrieve my mail all day from my home PC. All I get is a blank white screen, with an indication on the bottom left side of the screen that the page is done loading... but the loading obviously isn't complete. I've tried reloading multiple times, and have even tried rebooting and starting over several times to no avail. I've even deleted all of my temporary internet files and history.  

It's a bit frustrating.

Are there any fixes without buying a new PC? 

BTW... I have noticed in the recent past that I've had to reload once or twice every now and then, to get the page to fully load... if that means anything. Also, I tried getting onto the other side from my work PC this afternoon (which I really really didn't want to do) and I got on just fine.

I am a late-bloomer online, and am very weak in this department.

Help!

You have a trojan or spyware that is running. Check for Mastercard32 or Qhost in your task manager. if you do not know how email me but you definately need a virus scanner.

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/14/2006 7:38:39 AM   
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So far I'm still not able to get into Collarme...

...I'm guessing no one has heard any official word from management on if or when they might fix whatever problem has been caused by some sort of 'improvement' or recent 'tweak' of the site they have done...


Unfortunately, this appears to be the case.

It would have been nice to at least have heard an acknowledgment from CM.

As you probably know, I can now get into CM with Firefox, but I can only view very basic pages. It sort of reminds me of using Internet Explorer while in the safe mode. Sometimes I can can respond to mail there, and other times I cannot.

And since Firefox is notably slower than IE on all other applications, I find myself using Firefox only for CM.

So it's a fix, but only a partial fix.

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/14/2006 7:44:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok..I had to download a java program to use collarme
and zonealarm can be set so I can't use mail.ie..see the text or write text..
come on guys(and girls) some one has to be able to help this person...


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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/14/2006 9:05:20 AM   
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Any and all help appreciated..... and PLEASE... the more of you who notify Collarme management of this problem so many of us are having with their site.... the more likely the problem will be addressed and fixed.

Please don't.  They know there is an issue and more emails will only delay the resolution of the problem.

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/14/2006 9:39:29 AM   
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One last geek question.... with all the discussion on updating, and making sure everything is in top notch working condition on our systems, I'm updating my Internet Explorer (right now I can't add Firefox to my system... and I'm not sure it would help now that I've seen some of the feedback from those who've added it in an attempt to access the website). In so doing I'm getting stopped by this error message:
! Windows Update Setup
A previous installation has pending work requiring a reboot. You need to restart your computer to complete that installation before running Internet Explorer Setup. Setup will now close.
I have rebooted multiple times with no success as I get this messege each time. I have no other programs I know of waiting to install... I've run all my diagnostic tools multiple times, including CCleaner, Adaware, Scandisk, Defrag, etc, etc..... all with no change. My qustion is this.... does someone know of a way I can bypass this error and so I can accomplish what I need to do?????


As long as you have a legitimate version of Microsoft Windows their support for updates is free. I would contact them with the problem and they will guide you through what needs to be done. Give them as much information as possible as to when the problem occurs, what your PC components are (RAM, hard drive space, processor speed, Windows version and service packs you have installed and then let them take it from there.

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/14/2006 1:07:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: budderflywings
One last geek question.... with all the discussion on updating, and making sure everything is in top notch working condition on our systems, I'm updating my Internet Explorer (right now I can't add Firefox to my system... and I'm not sure it would help now that I've seen some of the feedback from those who've added it in an attempt to access the website). In so doing I'm getting stopped by this error message:
! Windows Update Setup
A previous installation has pending work requiring a reboot. You need to restart your computer to complete that installation before running Internet Explorer Setup. Setup will now close.
I have rebooted multiple times with no success as I get this messege each time. I have no other programs I know of waiting to install... I've run all my diagnostic tools multiple times, including CCleaner, Adaware, Scandisk, Defrag, etc, etc..... all with no change. My qustion is this.... does someone know of a way I can bypass this error and so I can accomplish what I need to do?????


Here is how you fix that problem:

Click Start, and then click Run.
In the Open box, type regedit, and then click OK.
Locate and click the following registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session ManagerLocate and delete any PendingFileRenameOperations values in the key.
Click Yes when you are prompted to confirm the deletion.
Quit Registry Editor.
Run Internet Explorer 6 Setup.

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RE: Any Techies Here? Calling All Geeks! - 11/14/2006 8:59:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

quote:

ORIGINAL: budderflywings
One last geek question.... with all the discussion on updating, and making sure everything is in top notch working condition on our systems, I'm updating my Internet Explorer (right now I can't add Firefox to my system... and I'm not sure it would help now that I've seen some of the feedback from those who've added it in an attempt to access the website). In so doing I'm getting stopped by this error message:
! Windows Update Setup
A previous installation has pending work requiring a reboot. You need to restart your computer to complete that installation before running Internet Explorer Setup. Setup will now close.
I have rebooted multiple times with no success as I get this messege each time. I have no other programs I know of waiting to install... I've run all my diagnostic tools multiple times, including CCleaner, Adaware, Scandisk, Defrag, etc, etc..... all with no change. My qustion is this.... does someone know of a way I can bypass this error and so I can accomplish what I need to do?????


Here is how you fix that problem:

Click Start, and then click Run.
In the Open box, type regedit, and then click OK.
Locate and click the following registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session ManagerLocate and delete any PendingFileRenameOperations values in the key.
Click Yes when you are prompted to confirm the deletion.
Quit Registry Editor.
Run Internet Explorer 6 Setup.


First of all, if you do not understand or feel comfortable editing your registry it is best not to screw around in there. You can remove things that should not be removed and that could spell disaster for your machine. If you DO follow the above advice then before you EVER do ANYTHING in the registry , you should back it up. Just do not go in there and make changes.

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