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ORIGINAL: Tallnsassy

recently I had a very interesting chat with someone who stated ..Dom/subs are just kinky vanillas..your opinion on this please

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So - just what was it that they were they trying to convince you to do/believe?

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ORIGINAL: Tallnsassy

W/we were discussing the differentials betweem Dom/Master sub/slave.

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ORIGINAL: gandalf0297

Not to seem like an insensitive clod. But one has to ask the question. And this is directed to ownedgirlie.
What the hell is a YOOT?
Gandalf

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Oh, I understand what 24/7 means. I disregard any interpritation of it that doesn't mean what the word implies. If the slave is out of the household in any uncontrolled situation, it is not 24/7/. So if the slave is working under the supervision of their owner, even chained at the ankle behind a counter, it is 24/7. If the slave is working at a position where the owner cannot exert control at any time, it is NOT 24/7.
Even if I am not up my Owners ass 24/7, I know how He wants our life handled. I have the good fortune of not being a mindless automiton. His control over me is still present, as I do thinks as He wishes and not of my own choice.
 
If familial obligations outweigh service to ones owner, it is not 24/7.
Everyone makes sacrifices, having children is a personal choice, one I would assume from your post you did not think was the path for you. To say that having children removes the ablitity to be 24/7 is really pompous. (IMO hehe)
 
As my slave is given times when she may use the restroom, I would also have to say that if they decide to jump up and run to the restroom without permission, it is not 24/7, though that one is the only thing you have offered that I might be willing to compromise on.
once again for us, Daddy has to work, sad but true and if i felt the need to bother him at his job to take a piss........ well just shoot me. I am *s* outta love and need to make his life enjoyable and His choice how I am to do that......hence that is what makes Him the *D* Dealers choice.
 
I have a vision of what 24/7 is, and that vision is based on the word itself. The lame copout that words and language changes is pointless unless a large group of people agree on a new definition. Linguistics change only when a majority agree upon the change. It does not change at the whims of individuals.
Tomato = Toe-mato
 
Also, I have never heard of anyone describing their lifestyle as a scene. You will pardon me if I believe it when I hear it with my own ears.
Depends on how you mean "scene"..... our everyday life is not a "scene" but when a new person enters our circle just to play...... (getting the point yet?)
 
I am not speaking for everyone involved in 24/7. I am speaking for what IS 24/7. It is not my fault that some people delude themselves into thinking that 24/7 = 8/1, 12/4, or any other combination that does not equal 24/7.
24/7 is not the level of control exerted, but the frequency of the exertion.
 
Until you learn simple math, perhaps you might want someone else to speak for you.
Not if it is going to be under your interpration of what 24/7 constitutes........
 
Ok, that last part was rude, sorry. But geez man, don't jump on the definitions bandwagon until you get a majority vote on the new, revised definition, because it really, really pisses me off to hear some fluff bunny insist that they are 24/7, only to send their " slave " scurrying home for the week after a night of suspension bondage and light ass slapping at a dungeon. 24/7 my ass!
The majority vote??? My dear, you would be the minority on this topic of what makes a 24/7 TPE. Just cause I call a zebra a mule does not make it so. The most beautiful part of this life, should be the total acceptance of if it makes you happy, Go Ahead! I personally would never try to tell some one what they are or are not, for each it is different as we are all different people and I am glad cause it would be a REALLY boring life if we all thought or felt things the same way. We would be reduced to a level of stagnation egual to a mudpuddle.

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ORIGINAL: BDSM05478

Attempts to beat this horse..............

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Oh, I understand what 24/7 means. I disregard any interpritation of it that doesn't mean what the word implies. If the slave is out of the household in any uncontrolled situation, it is not 24/7/. So if the slave is working under the supervision of their owner, even chained at the ankle behind a counter, it is 24/7. If the slave is working at a position where the owner cannot exert control at any time, it is NOT 24/7.
Even if I am not up my Owners ass 24/7, I know how He wants our life handled. I have the good fortune of not being a mindless automiton. His control over me is still present, as I do thinks as He wishes and not of my own choice.
 
Nor do I own an automation. It is far more enjoyable to force a willful individual to comply to my will. Mine is highly educated in criminal law, knows more about antiques than I will ever be able to comprehend, and can carry on deep and meaningful conversations. This makes owning her all the more enjoyable.

 
If familial obligations outweigh service to ones owner, it is not 24/7.
Everyone makes sacrifices, having children is a personal choice, one I would assume from your post you did not think was the path for you. To say that having children removes the ablitity to be 24/7 is really pompous. (IMO hehe)\
 
Sorry, but if children or other family interfere, it is not 24/7. Why is the word so hard for people to understand? 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. This is not pomposity, but reality. If the term 24/7 doesn't define your relationship, don't pretend that it does.

 
As my slave is given times when she may use the restroom, I would also have to say that if they decide to jump up and run to the restroom without permission, it is not 24/7, though that one is the only thing you have offered that I might be willing to compromise on.
once again for us, Daddy has to work, sad but true and if i felt the need to bother him at his job to take a piss........ well just shoot me. I am *s* outta love and need to make his life enjoyable and His choice how I am to do that......hence that is what makes Him the *D* Dealers choice.
 
I don't care to shoot you, but if he must be away and does not continue to control your bathroom privileges, it still isn't 24/7. In fact, it is dishonest to claim that it is.

 
I have a vision of what 24/7 is, and that vision is based on the word itself. The lame copout that words and language changes is pointless unless a large group of people agree on a new definition. Linguistics change only when a majority agree upon the change. It does not change at the whims of individuals.
Tomato = Toe-mato
 
Amazing isn't it that they both mean the same thing. Hey, guess what? 24/7 and twentyfour seven also mean the same thing! No matter how you pronounce or spell it, 24/7 means 24/7, not eight hours a day when he is home.

 
Also, I have never heard of anyone describing their lifestyle as a scene. You will pardon me if I believe it when I hear it with my own ears.
Depends on how you mean "scene"..... our everyday life is not a "scene" but when a new person enters our circle just to play...... (getting the point yet?)
 
Since I don't ' play ' with others, not sure what you mean here.
I am not speaking for everyone involved in 24/7. I am speaking for what IS 24/7. It is not my fault that some people delude themselves into thinking that 24/7 = 8/1, 12/4, or any other combination that does not equal 24/7.
24/7 is not the level of control exerted, but the frequency of the exertion.
 
Until you learn simple math, perhaps you might want someone else to speak for you.
Not if it is going to be under your interpration of what 24/7 constitutes........
 
I am really sorry that math and reality bother you so much, but it is not my interpritation. It is factual. 24/7 means just that. Do you go around asking someone if they want a dollar, then hand them a quarter when they say yes? It is a static term whose meaning and value is not in question. The only thing in question here is the integrity of people that wish to claim it is something other than what it is.

 
Ok, that last part was rude, sorry. But geez man, don't jump on the definitions bandwagon until you get a majority vote on the new, revised definition, because it really, really pisses me off to hear some fluff bunny insist that they are 24/7, only to send their " slave " scurrying home for the week after a night of suspension bondage and light ass slapping at a dungeon. 24/7 my ass!
The majority vote??? My dear, you would be the minority on this topic of what makes a 24/7 TPE. Just cause I call a zebra a mule does not make it so. The most beautiful part of this life, should be the total acceptance of if it makes you happy, Go Ahead! I personally would never try to tell some one what they are or are not, for each it is different as we are all different people and I am glad cause it would be a REALLY boring life if we all thought or felt things the same way. We would be reduced to a level of stagnation egual to a mudpuddle.
 
Oh, wow, I am a minority in saying that these numbers have commonly accepted, static values! What a shock. Sorry bucko, but no amount of posturing, ridicule, or nonsense will cause 24/7 to mean anything other than what it is. Words change when a majority of people agree in the new word, but numbers are universal. 24/7 means 24/7 in any language. If you really want to change it here on this forum though, total up the number of Collarme members, and get over half of them to agree upon a different difinition. Then and only then will I agree that the word and number shall be used differently in this forum. Because until you elicit a majority to change the definition within a group, YOU are the one that is using the word incorectly. Deal with it.

Here kitty kitty kitty..............(tries to put that damn cat back in the bag)

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

It is a lifestyle which makes it hard for the likes of me to relate to the people that I call fluff bunnies and weekend ass slappers.

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

I guess that since some people are unwilling to grasp the simplicity of what 24/7 TPE means, I will have to spell it out. First, lets begin by explaining the words involved.
24/7: Twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
Total ( as defined in this context ): complete in extent or degree; absolute; unqualified; utter: a total failure.
Power ( as defined in this context ): the possession of control or command over others; authority; ascendancy.
Exchange ( as defined in this context ): to give up (something) for something else; part with for some equivalent; change for another.
 
Please note that nowhere in here have I defined dominance to any degree. I tried to make the point earlier that we are talking quantity of time involved rather than degree of control, but this point seems to have been deliberately ignored by a select few who are unwilling to admit that their on again, off again power exchange does not equal a 24/7 TPE.
 
And so from here we can ascertain that 24/7 TPE means giving up absolute control of oneself 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. One can have 24/7 without TPE. Alternately one can have TPE without it being 24/7. But when you combine the two, anything less than this is not 24/7 TPE. To employ a different approach, one cannot have a ham & cheese sandwich unless both ham and cheese are present. You are incorrect in saying that " I sometimes don't put ham on my ham & cheese sandwich. ", because in removing the ham, you have removed part of what constitutes a ham and cheese sandwich.
 
Am I being clear yet? Perhaps I should offer a few examples:
Example 1: The slave must, for whatever reason, work outside the home. Does the slaves/subs master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the speed and progress for work? Does the master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the time the slave/sub may take for lunch. Does the master/dom tell the slave/sub what to eat? Does the slaves/subs master/dom take precedence over any contradictory orders the administrator or supervisor has given while the slave/sub is at work? If the answers to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
 
Example 2: The couple ( or group ) has children. Do the needs and desires of the master/dom always outweigh the needs of the children? If your master/dom desires service right now, but a baby is screaming, do you ignore the child until your master/dom has been taken care of? If you have specific orders to have dinner on the table at 6 pm, but your child has soccer practice at 6 pm and must be driven there, do you complete the task your master/dom set for you? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
 
Example 3: Other family members. If your sister is getting married, but attending her wedding and reception would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your great uncle has passed away, but attending the funeral would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your brother asks you to watch his children for the evening due to an emergency, do you say yes without asking your master/dom? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
 
There are numerous examples and scenarios that I could list, but these should be more than enough to get all but the most obstinate or delusional of people to understand what constitutes a 24/7 TPE relationship. Doubtless many of you will disagree with this, and others will say that the examples set forth are unreasonable. To this I will answer that each person that disagrees is utterly and unmistakably wrong in your objections. No matter how much you wish to believe that you live in a 24/7 TPE environment, if you cannot respond to each and every one of those examples with a resounding YES, then you are not in a 24/7 TPE. At very best you could claim to approximate a 24/7 TPE, but you damned sure do NOT live in one. This is not opinion, this is not conjecture, this is fact. Fact continues to exist whether you like it or not. There is no shame in saying that you are unable to live this way. Most people can not or will not. The shame is in claiming to live like this when you don't.

This sort of lifestyle may be seen as harsh and demanding, but a master or dom can be harsh and demanding. It is not the fluffy, cuddly, watered down and commercialized BDSM that most people relate to. It is a lifestyle which makes it hard for the likes of me to relate to the people that I call fluff bunnies and weekend ass slappers. Perhaps I come off as harsh in my outlook, but I am honestly offended by people that claim to live this way, yet clearly don't. Although perhaps again this outlook of mine comes from so many of these people claiming to be 24/7 TPE. I am not offended by the good people that practice BDSM on lesser levels than myself, but having someone pose as 24/7 TPE that obviously doesn't even know what the term means is as offensive to me as having someone spit in my face. I love watching a mistress at work, but I don't claim to be a mistress. If you expect me to have any respect for you, don't pretend to be something that you aren't.
 
For further discussion on this subject, I highly recommend the following link.

http://www.leathernroses.com/eso/esodefinitions.htm

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  Example 1: The slave must, for whatever reason, work outside the home. Does the slaves/subs master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the speed and progress for work? Does the master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the time the slave/sub may take for lunch. Does the master/dom tell the slave/sub what to eat? Does the slaves/subs master/dom take precedence over any contradictory orders the administrator or supervisor has given while the slave/sub is at work? If the answers to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
Does the Dom dictate when the sub can take a breath and release it? All the time? Does the Dom dictate each step ..arm movement..yawn..thought...Thinks you get the picture because the same is pretty much just as ridiculous as the quote.

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  Example 2: The couple ( or group ) has children. Do the needs and desires of the master/dom always outweigh the needs of the children? If your master/dom desires service right now, but a baby is screaming, do you ignore the child until your master/dom has been taken care of? If you have specific orders to have dinner on the table at 6 pm, but your child has soccer practice at 6 pm and must be driven there, do you complete the task your master/dom set for you? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.

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  Example 3: Other family members. If your sister is getting married, but attending her wedding and reception would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your great uncle has passed away, but attending the funeral would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your brother asks you to watch his children for the evening due to an emergency, do you say yes without asking your master/dom? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE. 
 

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Don't forget the cherry.

someone in this lifestyle still has a cherry?? DAYUM~