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BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:06:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy *And I will certainly adhere to the hope that any offspring you may have exceed your mental capacity threefold. Oh, but that will never do, because 3 x 0 still equals 0.* *Don't you dare bring my children into this you ass.* Don't dish out verbal abuse unless you are able to take it in return, you belligerent little twit. I honestly do hope that your offspring are gifted with a modicum of intelligence, but judging from the source genes, I doubt that it will happen. *Want me to be nice? Try being nice yourself. Ir works wonders with me, really!*

BDSM05478 -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:07:56 PM)
[What is says is Absolute Slavery and Total Power Exchange and nowhere is there a defination of 24/7. It seems you have even taken the ideas of other people and twisted it to suit your insulting statement. and did you mean to actually say anything in that last quoted post of mine.................hmmmmm quote]ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 checked that page, maybe you should re-read it, it has nothing to do with 24/7 anything. Hmmm, did you stop and think that it helped to define TPE? That does seem to be central to our debate here, after all. We have already covered how a couple can be 24/7 without being TPE, and can be TPE without being 24/7. Eso's page there is a very precise definition of TPE. In fact, I do believe it says this in very big letters at the top of the page.

BDSM05478 -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:11:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy *And I will certainly adhere to the hope that any offspring you may have exceed your mental capacity threefold. Oh, but that will never do, because 3 x 0 still equals 0.* *Don't you dare bring my children into this you ass.* Don't dish out verbal abuse unless you are able to take it in return, you belligerent little twit. I honestly do hope that your offspring are gifted with a modicum of intelligence, but judging from the source genes, I doubt that it will happen. *Want me to be nice? Try being nice yourself. Ir works wonders with me, really!* Your one to talk really. I give what is given to me. And the fact you would bring my children into this, who are in no way involved in ANY of this just goes to show your true character and the viperious nature of it. you might want to start with an apology if you want me to be nice to you.

BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:15:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 [What is says is Absolute Slavery and Total Power Exchange and nowhere is there a defination of 24/7. It seems you have even taken the ideas of other people and twisted it to suit your insulting statement. and did you mean to actually say anything in that last quoted post of mine.................hmmmmm *Oh, lets see here. How about a quote from the page, ok?* Paragraph 6: An Absolute Master and slave relationship or Absolute and Total Power Exchange however is not role play, a past time or a weekend hobby. It is a ultimately binding commitment. Hmmm, sounds pretty clear to me. How about you? I am not twisting anything of his, as he is saying that this is not the lame role playing stuff that weekend ass slappers engage in. So lets both stop with the insults, ok? They make me look like a bully picking on a mentally deficient kid, and it really isn't becomming of me. quote]ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 checked that page, maybe you should re-read it, it has nothing to do with 24/7 anything. Hmmm, did you stop and think that it helped to define TPE? That does seem to be central to our debate here, after all. We have already covered how a couple can be 24/7 without being TPE, and can be TPE without being 24/7. Eso's page there is a very precise definition of TPE. In fact, I do believe it says this in very big letters at the top of the page.

BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:26:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy *And I will certainly adhere to the hope that any offspring you may have exceed your mental capacity threefold. Oh, but that will never do, because 3 x 0 still equals 0.* *Don't you dare bring my children into this you ass.* Don't dish out verbal abuse unless you are able to take it in return, you belligerent little twit. I honestly do hope that your offspring are gifted with a modicum of intelligence, but judging from the source genes, I doubt that it will happen. *Want me to be nice? Try being nice yourself. Ir works wonders with me, really!* Your one to talk really. I give what is given to me. And the fact you would bring my children into this, who are in no way involved in ANY of this just goes to show your true character and the viperious nature of it. you might want to start with an apology if you want me to be nice to you. I do apologize that you are incapable of grasping what 24/7 TPE means. I am also very sorry that your children have little hope of reaching more than double digit IQ's. I am sorry that you cannot understand the definition of 24/7 TPE and how it does not apply to your situation. I am sorry that you cannot understand that Eso's essay is about what TPE is and isn't, and that the realm of 24/7 is not too deeply hidden within the text, easy to spot if you bother reading it. I am sorry that, despite my repeated efforts to enlighten you, you still think that the terms 24/7 and TPE are interchangable. I am very sorry that your owner has not instilled in you a single ounce of discipline, respect, and honesty. And last but not least, I am desperately sorry that you are incapable of engaging in an honest debate and defending your positions. Perhaps once you grasp the latter, you will be able to actually contribute something of value to this discussion. Cheers!

BDSM05478 -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:28:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy *Don't dish out verbal abuse unless you are able to take it in return, you belligerent little twit.* I seem to recall hearing that cruel insults are the result of someone being unable to support their view.............. that is how it went right?

BDSM05478 -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:30:30 PM)
absolute slavery bsolute master........concepts for that life style, no where does it even address the issue of quantity of time.......sorry scumbag.

BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:33:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy *Don't dish out verbal abuse unless you are able to take it in return, you belligerent little twit.* I seem to recall hearing that cruel insults are the result of someone being unable to support their view.............. that is how it went right? Yep, I believe I did say just that. However, I actually support my position while flavoring it with insult. I think that I also encouraged LoD to save the insults for the ones unable to grasp the debate, hint, hint! *If at any time you would care to try supporting your position without insult, I will respond in kind.*

BDSM05478 -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:34:52 PM)
oh and for all you know my children could be deaf , blind, autistic or have downs.........pretty insensitive.

mnottertail -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:35:37 PM)
are we testing the limits of nesting quotes today, Brute? LOL, E tu? ohhhhhhhhhhhh.........................

BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:38:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 absolute slavery bsolute master........concepts for that life style, no where does it even address the issue of quantity of time.......sorry scumbag. I expect nothing in the way of debate from my inferiors, and cannot expect you to follow the multiple syllables. May I suggest that you and I continue this discussion once you have obtained a GED? Perhaps then you will be able to comprehend the words bearing more than 4 letters.

TrueCalling -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:38:49 PM)
After having read through some of the posts....BA, i am one of those for whom you need not 'speak'. Seems to me you put a lot of effort into repetetive bloviation. Kinda like on Gallagher-i'm gonna cover up before your head explodes! Oh, hey-question for you. Are you (yes, you) acting in accordance with your personal definition of 24/7 when you're online here and posting such meaningful thoughts and opinions? Everything required to do so must take away from your focus and concentration on your slave. Then again, you can always be grinding your boot heel into her back if she's on the ground below you!

LaTigresse -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:39:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BORAT We not make such confusing distinction in Kazakhstan. We have normal, pervert, and gypsy. quote: ORIGINAL: Tallnsassy recently I had a very interesting chat with someone who stated ..Dom/subs are just kinky vanillas..your opinion on this please What does this Borat character make me think of a weird combination of benji and Ron??

mnottertail -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:40:53 PM)
he probably looks on that with an eye towards antipathy......... That'd be my take anyhow. Detective Sergeant Friday

BitaTruble -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:41:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 checked that page, maybe you should re-read it, it has nothing to do with 24/7 anything. Hmmm, did you stop and think that it helped to define TPE? That does seem to be central to our debate here, after all. We have already covered how a couple can be 24/7 without being TPE, and can be TPE without being 24/7. Eso's page there is a very precise definition of TPE. In fact, I do believe it says this in very big letters at the top of the page. Eso's treatise on TPE is 'opinion' not definition and it has a few glaring flaws which makes his opinions completely inaccurate for anyone but himself (or those who decide to also embrace his opinions.) Aside from that I actually do agree with your definition of 24/7 and because I do, I don't believe its possible for a dominant to be in a 24/7 relationship. A slave, certainly, because they may, indeed, be held without power 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with even their sleep cycle being disrupted by their dominant. A dominant however, has no control over their slave (even if they chain that slave to a wall while they are sleeping) when they are not in the presence of their slave. It is pseudo control at best. When the dominant is at work, they have no control, when they sleep, they have no control and its only at the desire and willingness of the slave to obey that the dominant regains control upon waking or returning home from work. So, while a slave can be totally and deeply immersed in 24/7 slavery, by your own definition (and as I stated, I do agree with it), a dominant cannot. A Master has to depend upon the knowledge they have of their slave and believe in the consistent desire of the slave to 'be' a slave for those times when he, through choice or circumstance is not in the presence of that slave. A dominant cannot know what immersion feels like because they can only experience the superficial aspects of it. I feel a bit badly for them, actually. If a dominant wants, oh say a blow job from his slave while he's at work, and that slave is chained to the wall at home, he's not getting the service he wants even though the slave is available to provide that service. The dominant is a slave to the circumstance of work, unable to manifest their dominance at the time and place of their own choosing. So if a Master can be slave to a circumstance, to me, that means they cannot be a Master 24/7 despite their ardent desire for it. YMMV Celeste

BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:43:34 PM)
quote: Yep, I believe I did say just that. However, I actually support my position while flavoring it with insult. I think that I also encouraged LoD to save the insults for the ones unable to grasp the debate, hint, hint! If at any time you would care to try supporting your position without insult, I will respond in kind. quote: ORIGINAL: BDSM05478 oh and for all you know my children could be deaf , blind, autistic or have downs.........pretty insensitive. I have never claimed to have mastered the art of sensitivity. I do have a grasp of civility though. In fact, I have suggested several times that we resort to it. Still you keep vomiting forth the insults though, and act shocked when I respond in kind. I honestly have nothing further to say to you, and will henceforth ignore any and all posts of yours that do not show a degree of civility. Heck, for that matter, I am logging off now. Unlike some of you " 24/7ers ", I actually DO have a life and a relationship.

LordODiscipline -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:45:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy *The tragedy here is that you are intelligent enough to know this, but chose instead to rally to the defense of those inclined to tarnish the spirit of the concept.* *Wow - a "purist"!* *And, without a means of discovering the 'real meaning' as intended, you are without anything to be pure about; but, not allowing that to stop you.* *Stop being silly.* *You state you cannot be assured of the origination, yet scream that I am 'tarnishing the meaning'* *Now that is rhetorical 'balderdash' and some pretty major 'tap dancing' about to avoid the fact that you are taking what you like and trashing the rest to suit the need of a thin argument...* *Time to get your logic in order as you have lost it.* *Besides - I am not "defending" anyone or any thing... as I pointed out innumberable times to you - you have an opinion, I have one as does everyone else out here...* No matter how hard you "wizz in the tornado" - you are not more correct than you were previously... and, further digging yourself into a hole of illogic and rhetorical distance which is harder and harder to get out of... Ask Eso why he does not debate i public - it is because he (also) cannot win as it is a straw house he lives in... and, he cannot stomache dissension... despite the fact he places a "kick me" sign on his proverbial rear every time he trys to post something... *He is an "OK" writer - lousey logician and/or theorist.* *If it does not fit his argument - he ignores it (as though it will go away or change)* quote: While the etymology may ( or may not, I have yet to find any dictionary that states either origin ) have military roots, the term has been used for several decades to denote a service that is available on a 24/7 basis. This is by far the most common current usage of the term. *According to whom?* *This little straw poll you started as your play on it as an uncommon usage...* *...and, I pointed out where it was wrong in accordance with the military (and, some of the places you used it would have the same exceptions).* *I feel smoke wafting up my rear here!!* *However - you are using it as "you see fit" - not as it was derived or as others use it.* quote: Ummmm, no. You are the one that decided to use it out of context, not myself. *Yes - you are using the convenient context as it is defined by... who?* *Oh yes - Eso!* *LOL.... good move!* quote: I don't think that I would care for such a crown to begin with, though I am reminded of the saying " In the kingdom of the blind, the man with one eye is king. ". I seek what many here claim, but few deliver, to educate people on some points. This forum is the only place I have ever seen that people are so dull witted as to actually believe that communication is possible despite coherent universal definitions. *OK - please find an authoritative sourse of the definition of 24/7 which is not someone who is prostelyzing and justifying their lives which does not include codiciles...* Granted - I agree that a lot of the rationalizations seen on line (and, even in real life) violate the boundarys of reality - but, so does your absouteism and rhetiric - as it does not take into account the reality of the world as it presents itself to people "on the ground" - where the boots meet the earth - where real people rest their heads and no where but in the mythical land of Eso would anyone make such a claim and expect the most reasoned and seasoned of leather folks to agree with him. quote: Even a child can see the irrationality of such stupidity, yet the fluff bunny part timers have such a herd of followers that they have convinced virtually everyone to abandon reason and common sense in favor of a feel good philosophy of " anything means whatever you want it to mean ". This is a sugary sweet but vacuous philosophy, just cotton candy rhetoric that fails to enlighten, clarify, or serve as any form of guiding force. What it actually does is destroy any coherence within the community and shatters whatever solidarity and unity we might otherwise be able to achieve. This is detrimental not only to the education of newbies, but also erects insurmountable barriers between those who plea for rational communication and those that think the world can function within the confines of the Biblical tower of Babel curse. *A couple of things -* Your concern for "newbies" is laudable... BS, but laudable. And, *Wow - it almost sounds as though you have a religious background - the way you go on... impressive -but, nonsensical as no one thus far has demonstrated that level of faith in your ranting.* *Besides - calling people names is a sure fire way to end anyone's attention to what ever it is your message was...* *'Bad move, Hunny Bunny' (name the movie - win a Cupie Doll!).* *quote:* *I am not speaking for everyone involved in 24/7. I am speaking for what IS 24/7.* *As mentioned - in your world where the sun rises every morning and the rain stays off until the sun is set...* *Not in any place that reality rears it's ugly head (by the way - how many times can you repeat yourself before sounding trite?* quote: It is not my fault that some people delude themselves into thinking that 24/7 = 8/1, 12/4, or any other combination that does not equal 24/7. *24/7 is not the level of control exerted, but the frequency of the exertion.* *So then - if someone feels the pull of 24/7 24 hours a day, seven days a week then they are under a 24/7 relationship??* *Wow... so then you do admit that there are exceptions to being under someone's direct sway - just that they have to have it exerted for that amount of time.* *OK... a concession!* quote: Yes, 24/7 TPE means just that, every time, every way. Anyone that claims to live 24/7 TPE only when convenient is lying both to themselves and to others. *NO argument - people lie to themselves every day...* *Like yourself.* Saying to yourself that you are ultimately correct - and, that the majority of leather defines it the way that you do, despite the fact that almost (I think it is everyone) everyone who posted in regard to your absolutist dictum was against it. That is delusion.* quote: *I really do expect better of you than crude insults, as that is the final defense of a person incapable of defending their position.* *Pardon me - but, you insulted me previous to my statement - and, that was an example of how you (through your demeaning of my intelligence) were being exactly as you were describing me here .* So get an adjustment... and, look into the mirror... (besides - I just read your other postings... you are so screwed both morally [after this state,ment] and from CM moderators... they are likely to shut you off faster than plumbers with a pipe blowing sewage!) quote: Very true, there is no helping the cyber wannabes here. But with effort and dedication, some of the newcomers that are open to learning may be reached. *Dude... the leather lexicon is a screwed piece of work.* I have been poking about for quite a while (at least 4 months)... the words we use are constantly evolving, lending it this aura of uncertainty that you are molesting with your less than stellar preaching. *If you want to reach people - this is not the way... but - I am willing to bet that you are discovering that slamming people for their beliefs gets more manure than flys... no wait...* *Peeing in a thunderstorm destroys electrolytes...* *No wait...* *Um...* *I bet you are discovering that you are just making an ass of yourself and influening no one.* *But - this has been fun - leading you down this path...* *Hope you enjoyed it.* ~J *PS: read the quote below*

BDSM05478 -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:48:13 PM)
Truthfully after the 3rd page i just stopped reading it all just said Blahblahblahblah Blaaaah Blahhh. can we say re-dun-dent and ofcourse you have to flavor all your posts with insults, you have from the start as you are incapable of social interaction. With such a superiourity complex I'm amazed you post here at all.

TrueCalling -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 12:51:44 PM)
BA..logging off now because of a life and a relationship? I cant help but wonder if it was something i said ~chuckle~ (Hi there oh wonderous voice of reason, Bita!)

agirl -> RE: Question to A Master (11/15/2006 1:04:37 PM)
Thank you for clarifying. Up to a point, I agree with you. Im fact in the examples you gave, I would say yes to them all. ( Ommiting the work related one , as I don't go outside of the home to work, so to all intents and purposes he IS my Boss and directs my day and progress within it) I also agree that it can be harsh and demanding but there's an enormous chasm of difference between people having a 24/7 TPE relationship and fluffy bunnies and weekend arse-slappers. I think what you describe is 27/7 TPE ..........I also think that it exists with different permeatations. People may live rather differently......but in a way that their Master has prescribed. YOU may wish YOUR slave to live in the way you have depicted but other masters simply may not wish that. THEIR control may take a very different path to yours.......it doesn't mean that it isn't 24/7 TPE. agirl Edited for spellin'.

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