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Termyn8or -> RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. (11/15/2006 10:30:00 PM)
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Wow, now we're talking about Mexicans ? Well I did say feel free to join in.
Chico is a Mexican who lives here legally, supports himself and speaks English.
Now that we've gotten into all kinds of shit here, I'l say that I wouldn't want him to marry my daughter. But this is not out of disrespect, after all he did exactly what my ancestors did when they got here. I just don't want to thin out the European bloodline.
I can't even much fault Mexicans who are illegal, if they work. But when they work illegally they are allowing greedy American capitalists to gouge the public for full price labor and pocket the difference. I wish I had that story handy about the "other" INS, the ones who went to pick up trash near a construction site. The time that most of them blew town and the owner was really pissed. If I read it correctly they were building upscale homes, not adobe shacks. I don't know about you, but if I were to buy a half million dollar house I would like it built right. To US standards. Mexicans may or may not be doing the job right, but the key phrase is "or may not". Maybe my half million should come with a disclaimer, "or may not".
People who lay bricks are supposed to be making close to $30 an hour, and the guys who mix the mortar and bring them the materials are supposed to be making close to $20. The job is quoted on that basis. On bigger jobs there is quite a potential for some under the table money. Ghost employees are easy, they keep you out of the limelight and help the corporate tax situation.
Of course an "honest" employer of illegals might pass the savings on to the customer, but that is neck and neck with the odds of Sants Claus personally opening your letter.
When illegals are assholes I have a problem, when they try to get gangs together and take over the streets I have a problem with that too. But if they're down in Georgia picking cotton or something I only have a little problem. Yes a problem, but alot smaller.
What they do when they come here and work cheap is to upset the balance of supply and demand in the labor market. Any increase in the minimum wage benefits them because they can take more of the available jobs because they will work for less. Four of them can live in a two bedroom, amd probably only make $600 a week all put together, and not only probably have it better than they ever have, actually have extra money to send home.
Some European immigrants did the same thing, the difference is that they were here legally, learned the language and didn't try to take over the street, well for the most part.
Europe was in bad shape and tyrannical governments were installed in alot of coutries after WW2. Coming here was the cat's ass. With the industrial growth here and the seemingly endless demand for labor, the US was the place to be. Look at it now. Illegals come here to live in ghettos and barios, whatever, which are slums for the most part. Makes you wonder what they are coming FROM. The people who exploit the people are probably doing quite well down there.
So what did they move into ? Possibly seven will move into a three or four bedroom. ?Sometimes they are related and send the extra money back to Mom. Or possibly they are here for the dolche vita. Doesn't matter.
See there is a cure for all this but people won't do it. Best iterated by Chris Rock in "Feel the Pain", "STOP FUCKING ". People who live in places where the infrastructure and ecomony cannot support them should not have six kids. This should be instinct for Pete's sake.I have other theories on that, more sinister than that which I have ever mentioned here. I'll start another thread on it. Whacked out, yes. Possibly true ? also yes. It is beyong the scope of this ,,,,,,, thinking of the tanget we are already on here LOL.
OK, not going into that, but the stop fucking theory doesn't work. The human body is ready to reproduce at a certain age and the desires shall come forth. In the other thread I will address how it seems to be happening younger, and also the fact that is really isn't. But this is now.
The kids will not stop fucking, that is a fact. Yes by the time they're 20 and have six kids they learn, but it is too late. Then we have kids raised by kids. That is in Mexico too. Our country is alot bigger and actually has less problems accomodating them, but why should we. Every country has a quota, stick with the quota.
Get the imbalance caused by them to the labor/management equation fixed and you might see places where MickeyDees is hiring at $12 an hour. People won't give a shit about the minimum wage.
Hmmm, I just woke up, I guess I was dreaming. Did I type all that ? That shit ain't never gonna happen.
Actually in farming when reaping time comes, you might have a problem getting enough people because to want this stuff picked, now. I mean veggies, stuff like that, of course grain is alot easier to handle with a modern combine. Certain types of produce still get hand picked. So I wouldm't be totally against like a migrant worker program, if needed. But they should just as easily be able to go into poor neighborhoods and put up a few signs. There are people who want work everywhere, of course they would have to travel, even if the comany sends a bus.
From what I understand, there were plenty of good Men, strong, willing and able to work as they brought the slaves in. Boils down to the same thing, the struggle between labor and management, or even government and People. One thing seems constant though, the consternation and other bullshit is usually caused by the one in the superior position.
Thus my saying : Compliance is futile, you must resist.
Yes you may have heard it elsewhere but I did write it. I can prove it on two usenet newsgroups, and I am talking a long time ago. Usenet postings are archived so I can indeed peove it. The intenet address that FIRST posted it anywhere is associated with me, my name, address and all that. I realize that this compromises my anonymity, but I don't really care. I am who I am. I'm not scared of anyone and I don't think anyone aroung here wants to come and shoot me for what I write.
If you find that first post, believe it or not that email is still active, but I don't use it anymore.
Anyway, I guess this is rant part ??, and looking at the scroll bar I see it is 5 times as long as I wanted it, as usual. So I figured what I would do is to go to IRC and
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