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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 10:11:39 AM

MasterWilliam55

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The idea of a contract in the BDSM world is to clarify expectations. Their application is more useful for "trainers" as opposed to "partners". They may or may not work for your situation but should be considered if "training" is the only objective.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 10:12:27 AM

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As I have said before the value in any contract business or personal is in the negotiations of the contact not the finished document. The negotiation of the contract is where the limits are found and acknowledged, where the expectations are stated by both sides, where the system for resolving conflict is set up, ...

The contract itself is more a document showing that the negotiations were done and the major obsticles were addressed.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 10:20:19 AM

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Archer: As I have said before the value in any contract business or personal is in the negotiations of the contact not the finished document. The negotiation of the contract is where the limits are found and acknowledged, where the expectations are stated by both sides, where the system for resolving conflict is set up, ...

The contract itself is more a document showing that the negotiations were done and the major obsticles were addressed.

Archer, just an aside. While I agree with you entirely regarding "Master/slave" contracts or other legally unenforcible contracts, in fact as to business contracts, or other legally binding agreements, you are incorrect. While negotiations and history may be part of a contract, in fact the final written document is, in the American and English court systems, the paramount statement of intent between the parties. Contrary to what you said regarding business contracts, courts generally do not like to look beyond the "four corners" of a contract to interpret it, and when they do, there has to be a good reason.

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(Just in case you had any doubts, anyone reading this, the foregoing was NOT specific legal advice directed to you. If you have a legal problem, get a lawyer. This is a board about whipping, spanking and being nasty. Lawyers are found elsewhere.)

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 10:52:14 AM

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Master and I don't have a written contract. There was never a need. It would be pretty short, anyway. He speaks, I obey. Sign here.. :)

lol, exactly.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 10:57:15 AM

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Master and I don't have a written contract. There was never a need. It would be pretty short, anyway. He speaks, I obey. Sign here.. :)

Ahhh....a girl of few words....lol

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 10:59:38 AM

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Master and I don't have a written contract. There was never a need. It would be pretty short, anyway. He speaks, I obey. Sign here.. :)

Why can't you get that in writing? What's he hiding? Is he abusing you?

Stop ironing his underwear, and answer me, girl!!!! We gotta get you outta there!!!

And so it goes.............

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 11:04:34 AM

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Abernathy, Christina; Miss Abernathy's Concise Slave Training Manual; Greenery Press, 1996. I recommend it.

Wow...that's been around for 10 years and i've never heard of it? i must really be out of the loop...lol.

Sounds ineresting though. Anyone else ever read this?

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 11:05:52 AM

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Where's Aileen when ya need her? *groans*

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 11:08:24 AM

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We do have a written document that I prefer to call a 'Covenant': a promise, a pledge, a solemn agreement. Many things have been modified in the eight years since we created the Covenant. It's a living document.

A covenant, huh? Well that's another twist i never thought of. Is this something you two coined yourselves or did you see it used elsewhere first? Just curious.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 11:08:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Master and I don't have a written contract. There was never a need. It would be pretty short, anyway. He speaks, I obey. Sign here.. :)

Why can't you get that in writing? What's he hiding? Is he abusing you?

Stop ironing his underwear, and answer me, girl!!!! We gotta get you outta there!!!

And so it goes.............

Ron

AKA..........Ron wants to "rescue" her. Rescue, right into his own dastardly clutches.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 11:18:39 AM

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Nah, I don't want to rescue ownie; in my yoot I could have, perhaps...but she is gonna have to walk over here now, I ain't got the steam.

LOL,
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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 11:26:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Nah, I don't want to rescue ownie; in my yoot I could have, perhaps...but she is gonna have to walk over here now, I ain't got the steam.

LOL,
Jet Li

Thats okay Ron, we will just have to get together someday around a campfire drinking and talking about the good old days.......... today I feel 94 instead of 44.

I will bring the bourbon.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 11:41:33 AM

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Yes, I hear you LT, dealing with shitweasels all day long causes mental and muscular atrophy...................

Old before out time, I fear.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 11:52:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
AKA..........Ron wants to "rescue" her. Rescue, right into his own dastardly clutches.

Thank you LaT. i figured it was something like that

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 12:39:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

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ORIGINAL: Elegant

We do have a written document that I prefer to call a 'Covenant': a promise, a pledge, a solemn agreement. Many things have been modified in the eight years since we created the Covenant. It's a living document.

A covenant, huh? Well that's another twist i never thought of. Is this something you two coined yourselves or did you see it used elsewhere first? Just curious.

DG

I didn't make up the word...grin

I don't remember seeing it used in an M/s context before but maybe I picked it up subconsciously...or maybe I actually had a decent idea of my own. Sometimes I do have ideas of my own.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 1:31:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

i came across a term the other day that i have not seen used in quite some time. Contracts. Do people still use those? Do you have them in your relationship? Have they worked as you had planned? Just curious

Daddysgirl

We use one, and we actually ended up staging it so that our contract could "progress" with our relationship, since i was still new when i asked my Sir for my collar. We put it in three month, six month, and then possibly a year stages theoretically, since it works with my school time table. We're just about at the end of the three month contract, and that basically outlines how I'm supposed to act, what obligations we have to one another, my cleaning schedule, etc. Of course, ours is very technical and filled with legal jargon since my Sir does everything professionally... it's a little hard to read at first, but everything is still there.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 1:32:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Nah, I don't want to rescue ownie; in my yoot I could have, perhaps...but she is gonna have to walk over here now, I ain't got the steam.

LOL,
Jet Li

Man, ain't that the truth. Ron, have you noticed the days don't get shorter and the hills don't get lower? Its a bitch, ain't it? (or as they say in Milwaukee, "aina-hey?"

LaTigresse: Thats okay Ron, we will just have to get together someday around a campfire drinking and talking about the good old days.......... today I feel 94 instead of 44.

I will bring the bourbon.

Bourbon? you BETTER invite ME, wench!

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 1:37:21 PM

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If we are drinking bourbon then I will go and get out a bottle of Blanton's great single malt and share with those who wish to par take. Ladies first, of course.

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 4:12:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: briska

We use one, and we actually ended up staging it so that our contract could "progress" with our relationship, since i was still new when i asked my Sir for my collar. We put it in three month, six month, and then possibly a year stages theoretically, since it works with my school time table. We're just about at the end of the three month contract, and that basically outlines how I'm supposed to act, what obligations we have to one another, my cleaning schedule, etc. Of course, ours is very technical and filled with legal jargon since my Sir does everything professionally... it's a little hard to read at first, but everything is still there.

Now this sounds interesting too. So will the contract be re-evaluated and things added to it as appropriate? Can things be deleted too?

DG

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RE: Contracts - 11/15/2006 4:51:09 PM

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i personally dont beleive in them... but.. thatbeing said.. the ones you can print off area very good start for communicating.. and also thought provoking...i had never head of alot of hte stuff listed..so i researched...became alot more informed adn therefore was able to communicate with Master about hings we had never even thoght of...

contract no...a tool for exploration...oh my god yes

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