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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 6:21:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having spent a summer in an abatoir when I was a student, I can vouch that worse things are done to animals in the name of killing humanely than through hunting. The animals are all too aware of what is going to happen to them or at least they spook and appear to be aware they're going to die. Whether they can smell death or not I don't know but something bothers them.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 6:35:10 AM   
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I have no doubt thatsome will never understand these why's that I hunt for, anymore than I understand the why's they don't.


And with that, you have said a mouthful. I have already explained on this and other threads the reasons I hunt. There are some who will just never understand and accuse me and others like me of being cruel, barbaric and motivated by a sadistic "dark side". That's ok. If that is how they need to view me in order to keep themselves up there on their sanctimonious high horse...so be it. It isn't going to change the things I do and it is going to change the way I feel about myself or the issue. I will continue to take responsibility for putting meat on my own table and they can continue to live in their world of denial as they eat their hamburgers with the juices running down their chins and never connect their own personal responsibility for the life and death of the animals they consume.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 10:17:21 AM   
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Ever seen a herd of starving deer? Ever worked from dawn to dusk in the hot summer sun planting crops FOR the animals? Ever trudged through three feet of snow in the bitterness of February to take food into the woods FOR the animals? Support animal conservation with your time or money? I do these things regularly. Please don't try to paint me as being someone who cares less or is less dedicated to the quality of animal life.
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Yes erin I have. 
 
I moved to Michigan 2 years ago and was absolutely appalled every time hunting season opened.  I live in the country and apparently my backyard is a highly sought after hunting spot.  LOL Imagine the hunters dismay to find Ms. Bambi lover standing with her own shotgun daring anyone to TRY to take a shot.  Hell, I bake muffins for "my" deer, my backyard has apple trees that I care for just so "my deer" have plenty to eat and yes, "my" garden is more for the wildlife then my family.  I plant a huge garden and use maybe 10% of what I grow myself, I EXPECT the critters to be there.  I plant trees every year trying to give back to the wild life what people are taking.  My backyard is littered with mounds of "deer carrots/apples/ salt licks.... you name it ...it's out there for them.
 
With all that said, I do (now) support hunting.  Not in "my" yard.. I couldn't "watch" it myself but understand fully the NEED for it.  I've seen the deer dying from starvation the past two winters here.  Watched too many being killed on the roads or worse yet wandering through the woods hurt from a run in with a car.  This past summer I had to watch a beautiful buck suffer a long drawn out death because the police were so slow in responding to one being hit.  No, we aren't allowed to just end their suffering... we have to wait for a cop to show up and give permission. Is that a crock of crap or what??  So I stood there bawling my eyes out for almost two hours watching it suffer.  And no, it wasn't me that hit it.  Thus far I've been pretty lucky in the game of "dodgeball" we play driving around up here.
 
So, when Mistress says She is going hunting, I no longer go ghastly white and try to talk Her out of it.  She is one that hunts for conservation and food FIRST.  Of course if She saw that 14 point buck that calls my backyard home and had Her shotgun we'd be wrestling on the ground in a heartbeat but to hunt JUST for sport? No, that's not Her.  The guy that has hunting rights to the fields behind my house hunts for sport BUT anything he kills is donated to the local food banks so I can accept that and still speak to him. lol.  He also helps keep my yard safe from the packs of coyotes that roam the woods behind my house.  Ever walk out to your car to find it "protected" by a few wild coyotes?  Not a good thing.  But that is another species and another debate.....
 
As for the Christmas tree comment.  I even felt guilty about "hunting" that too.  lol.  Guess buying one off the lot just didn't have the same impact on me as going into the woods and being the "murderer" myself.  So every spring I go out and plant 10 new blue spruce I get from the Arbor Day Society to replace the one I take for my own selfish use.  So not all of us "hunters" are out to ruin what little "country and wild life" we have left in the world. 
 
Erin, good luck hunting...just don't try it in my backyard lol...all of those deer have names and are very cared for and protected *winks*
 
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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 10:48:57 AM   
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Who is going to parade the nasty side hidden deep inside them ?
They know its there tho',  and so do I !!!


I love it when the Bull strikes first and gets his horns into the fleshy bits of the degenerate in a shining suit of lights.
It would appear from your own words that you are the one who finds pleasure in the death or suffering of another.  For your honesty I applaude you. 

Then what happens. The Bull is killed.
when he fact he should be paraded in honour around the local Plaza and possibly elected Mayor.
Actually what they do with the six dead bulls every sunday afternoon is they are given to local orphanage to feed the children....that is also part of the culture of the Corrida.
 
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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 11:16:50 AM   
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There are too many people to run around in the available system space or have food for them all to eat.

To rectify this issue we kill Bambi?


People aren't gnawing the bark off of first growth trees. 

Ecosystems are intimately interconnected; if there are not enough snakes to eat the rodents because some idiots have killed off all the snakes and dynamited their dens, the ground nesting birds cannot reproduce as all their eggs will be eaten by the overrun of rodents.  If there are not enough wolves to eat the deer and the bleeding-heart Bambi lovers don't permit hunters to shoot them, the trees cannot grow as the deer will go to their "last resort" food source and take the bark off young trees, killing all the new growth in an overgrazed area.   The lack of birds and trees in that ecosystem has additional profound effects on many other species, which ripples out in turn until the entire habitat is pretty much fucked.

An ecosystem is like a house of cards where the pieces aren't interchangeable.  Very often the best solution to maintaining a healthy, thriving ecosystem in the long run is a well managed hunting program that keeps the land itself intact for sustainable use. 

Killing Bambi does not automatically fix the "lack of food" issue, but it does fix the "lack of trees" issue in an area where deer are severely overpopulated due to other imbalances in the ecosystem.  Probably those imbalances were caused by humans in the first place, but any effective land management program must take human impact and human use into account or it simply won't work in the real world. 

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 12:49:26 PM   
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Pig killing nonsense



Okay, let me see if I got this straight. As a camp counselor (I think that means "adult in charge")...



I was 15.  An adult in California is 18.

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you allowed a bunch of boys to take shots at a pig with low powered .22 caliber guns and arrows.



That would be the camp director who did that.

I was one of the 12 rifle holding assistant camp counselors.

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But you speak out to mock and judge my hunting ethics, "carnal desire motivations" and justifications?



I do not care whether or not you hunt.

I suspect you hunt things in order to prove your dominance over mother nature and the adrenalin rush of chasing and killing something running for it's life.

Fine.

But to make the point that you are doing it to "thin the herd" or "deal with deer overpopulation" or some other nonsense fails to take into account that deer did just fine for thousands and thousands of years before white man invaded the New World.

To make the point that you do it for food, I imagine if the average hunter adds up all the money they spend on equipment, tags, trips, dressing down, etc., they would learn that the 80 pounds of venison they get from the deer is far more expensive then buying it from a speciality meat store.

I am not emotionally involved in whether or not you slaughter Bambi.

Enjoy!

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 1:07:03 PM   
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But to make the point that you are doing it to "thin the herd" or "deal with deer overpopulation" or some other nonsense fails to take into account that deer did just fine for thousands and thousands of years before white man invaded the New World.


Sinergy, usually I don't take issue with what you post, but somebody's got to call you on some of this stuff.

First of all, Im curious as to where your eco-friendly, habitat-sensitive, non-waste-producing, non-old-growth timber cabin built on land never inhabited by other living creatures is, as Id love to come visit. Or are you typing from the Old World, back where the deer run free and there are no ecological problems?

How does "deer did fine before the white man built another walmart" defend your stance that hunting does not serve to do anything except satisfy the violent urges of people in camoflage with guns?

And Im not sure someone who introduces the concept of "killing Bambi" in a thread about hunting can really claim no emotional involvement for too long without being called on it. Just sayin.



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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 1:10:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		An acre of land has what is called a carrying capicity for animals.  When that carrying capicity is overloaded all the ecosystem is affected.   If you do nothing about it, it gets worse, especially with deer.   Remember, when deer have young odds are they will have twins.   When winters are tough usually one will survive.  If the winter is rather mild odds are, two will survive.  If an acre of land has 10 does and 5 bucks there are good odds that the population density has gone from 15 to 35.    This will only keep going up til the entire ecosystem just crashes. 

I have gone to school to be a wildlife manager, and the only viable way to control population is via hunting.   The problem gets even worse when you wish to deal with a predatory species like bobcats or scavengers like coyotes. 

I support a person if they do not like to hunt.  That is fine with me, but if I choose to hunt it is my right to do so.  To try and tell me otherwise, or berating me for it, makes you no better than the people who riducle those who choose to follow the lifestyle that CM represents.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 1:27:15 PM   
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But to make the point that you are doing it to "thin the herd" or "deal with deer overpopulation" or some other nonsense fails to take into account that deer did just fine for thousands and thousands of years before white man invaded the New World.


Actually, they didn't, always.  Ecosystems change as populations rise and fall in response to various events, ranging from climate changes to drought to invasive species.  Human impact on ecosystems has caused more disruption in a shorter time than ever before, but human impact is definitely not the sole cause of ecosystem disruption or population imbalances.  It's just the most common and catastrophic cause in this century.

The current situation we have to deal with has a lot to do with the way humans have already impacted the ecosystem. It is certainly important to understand whose fault it is that the deer are overpopulated in some areas. People killed off all their predators, and that is the root cause of the problem.  But dwelling on whose fault it is does not fix the problem.  Re-introducing the predators is a solution in some areas, but in other areas it is either not a viable solution or it is an insufficient solution. 

I'd agree that many hunters are in it for the wrong reasons; they don't understand wildlife management, ecosystems or anything else worth a damn except where their next beer is coming from.  But that doesn't mitigate the underlying truth of the effective wildlife management scenario including sustainable use harvest.  Eg, hunting. 


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To make the point that you do it for food, I imagine if the average hunter adds up all the money they spend on equipment, tags, trips, dressing down, etc., they would learn that the 80 pounds of venison they get from the deer is far more expensive then buying it from a speciality meat store.


Speaking from personal experience, not at all.  Depends on how you go about it and where you live.  You can definitely hunt on the cheap in many places.  

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 1:30:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Everyone who posts in favour of the hunting that they do claims an ulterior motive. Protecting an imbalanced eco system or for food or pitting their wits against a live adversary. The first two at least are quite laudable, the third less so, but quite frankly I am far from convinced of the truth of what is said.

Remember for instance the Bison that used to roam in their millions over the Great Plains, you know the ugly short sighted buggers with smelly breath,( a bit like me really), well.... where are they now? Hunted almost to extinction thats where. Surely killing for pleasure existed at the time and since human nature has changed hardly at all it follows it exists now....I dont like it and I wont have it. Please stop !

The Italians are notorious for decimating migrating bird populations just for the thrill of the kill. Disgusting !

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 1:35:06 PM   
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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 2:03:51 PM   
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Everyone who posts in favour of the hunting that they do claims an ulterior motive. Protecting an imbalanced eco system or for food or pitting their wits against a live adversary. The first two at least are quite laudable, the third less so, but quite frankly I am far from convinced of the truth of what is said.

Remember for instance the Bison that used to roam in their millions over the Great Plains, you know the ugly short sighted buggers with smelly breath,( a bit like me really), well.... where are they now? Hunted almost to extinction thats where. Surely killing for pleasure existed at the time and since human nature has changed hardly at all it follows it exists now....I dont like it and I wont have it. Please stop !

The Italians are notorious for decimating migrating bird populations just for the thrill of the kill. Disgusting !


I support responsible hunters. Yet, I do not hunt. Never have, never will. So... I'm obviously not wallowing in the thrill of "slaughtering Bambi". So, do tell, where is MY ulterior motive?

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 2:07:56 PM   
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Everyone who posts in favour of the hunting that they do claims an ulterior motive. Protecting an imbalanced eco system or for food or pitting their wits against a live adversary. The first two at least are quite laudable, the third less so, but quite frankly I am far from convinced of the truth of what is said.

Remember for instance the Bison that used to roam in their millions over the Great Plains, you know the ugly short sighted buggers with smelly breath, well.... where are they now . Hunted almost to extinction thats where. Surely killing for pleasure existed at the time and since human nature has changed hardly at all it follows it exists now....I dont like it and I wont have it. Please stop !

The Italians are notorious for decimating migrating bird populations just for the thrill of the kill. Disgusting !


Won't have it??????

Disgusts you fine be disusted but I have been entirely honest in the reasons I hunt.
Does that apply to eveyone who hunts? of course not and I was pretty clear when I said I speak for hunters I know who hunt with some ethics not every hunter in the entire world.

As mentioned many times already the Hunters in the US uring the early 1900's who instituted the licensing and bag limits for the US had seen, long before any anti hunters, that the herds of game were dropping and they needed to do something, and long before anyone else was concerned, hunters put their money where their mouths were and took action.

Ducks Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, and other conservation groups started by hunters have done more good than all the anti hunting, animal rights, groups in the country combined for game animals and by proxy for non game animals in the US.

Has the ethics of hunting shifted over the years history tells me yes they have, The thing foks do not account for is that the idea of throphy huning started off as a matter of passing up younger animals and thus decreasing the overall harvest. I have only heard stories of hunters that leaving meat to rot in modern times. Of all the wall hanging trophies I have seen not a single hunter who took them didn't retain the meat for his family or donate it to someone who could use it. I hear the stories from non hunters that it happens but I've never heard the story repeated in the company of other hunters, by anyone who had done so.
Almost every state now has a "Hunters for the Hungry" type program, where the deer are dropped at the processor and the meat distributed to the poor. Befor that I know the hunters I knew personally were always giving away their venison to familie who were local and maybe "Dad was out of work"etc.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 2:31:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		okay..don't think for one minute that you can just go out and "bag a buck" Sir.
I have watched deer my whole life.
I have several acres at the bottom of my land that the deer use for a nursery.
No one comes anywhere near it 'cept us.And we don't  hunt here.
They are smart animals.
I have followed a herd of deer for a mile or more only to find that the buck had
snuck around and was following us.
I watched a deer that some *assholes were flushing out of the woods run into a huge meadow.That deer ran about a third of the way into this field and dropped down,,
at first I thought it had been hit or fell.
It layed there while I watched these kids walk very near it..but they walked right on out of the field and disappeared.
The deer stayed down for about ten minutes more and jumped up and ran back the way it had come.
I saw this  happen.
The man I was with  clamped a hand over my mouth and told me to shut up.and watch/
So I did.
I'm not saying that there is an equal balance of smarts..but the deer is in it's element..few humans can truly out-smart one.

*okay..I should explain..it is my opinion that if you gather  a few people and walk through the woods and  flush deer like that you are basically an asshole.


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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 2:49:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know people who run cattle for the big packing plants here in the northeast Meatcleaver..what they do to those downed cows makes me sick..and its LEGAL
where to hells the ASPCA?
lining thier pockets saying they are defenders for "pets',coming up with new slogans
for the little furry cuties.
My daughter taught our heifer to pull a cart, but who cares if a cow is picked up/stabbed with a fork lift?
Not many.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Sorry I don't want to hi-jack this thread..but I needed to say this,where someone will see it. If you had seen what I have seen you would never eat another burger.
just sayin'


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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 4:00:51 PM   
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Ducks Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, and other conservation groups started by hunters have done more good than all the anti hunting, animal rights, groups in the country combined for game animals and by proxy for non game animals in the US.


Absolutely correct.  Conservation happens when there's money behind it, specifically money to purchase and preserve the land for sustainable use.  Hunting does exactly that.  Both government managed wildlife conservation programs and privately owned/administered programs have very notably achieved the very important goal of preserving wild habitat and species in the long term, supported by the funds from sustainable harvest of a controlled number of animals of a specific age and sex.

Try to argue that a piece of land should be set aside as wild, pristine habitat that no one gets to use, and you'll rapidly find that land gobbled up by developers and turned into strip mines, deforested for lumber, or made into condos.  Without the money to buy the land and to actively continue to manage it, ALL the species in that area will be lost when the habitat gets trashed.  Hunting and other forms of controlled sustainable harvest provides those funds.


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I have only heard stories of hunters that leaving meat to rot in modern times. Of all the wall hanging trophies I have seen not a single hunter who took them didn't retain the meat for his family or donate it to someone who could use it. I hear the stories from non hunters that it happens but I've never heard the story repeated in the company of other hunters, by anyone who had done so.


I have personally seen it a number of times, I am very sad to say.  Mostly poached deer with the horns and backstraps missing, shot out of season or in a protected area and dumped by the side of the road.  I know they were shot because I phoned them in to the game wardens, then showed my permit to pick them up and harvest the rest of the meat for zoo animal food. 

Yep, there are some serious assholes out there who hunt.  I have also heard a number of people state that they took trophies but left the meat, or took only a few pieces of meat.  I get a huge percentage yield of meat to total weight off of a deer because their bones and skin are relatively light and they are low in fat, and because I use everything.   Deer haggis anyone?    And what I don't personally eat, critters do.  It's an absolute crime in my book to disrespect a life that has been taken by wasting the meat.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 6:59:17 PM   
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While I cant fault your culinary enthusiasm, bambi burgers and screaming  fish, I wish you would show a little feeling for those animals despatched to an early probably painful  end to satisfy your over active taste buds.



Well, my over-active tastebuds never tasted a cow until I was 16, so I like what I was raised on. I don't worry too much about the rest.

But beyond that, I have to ask, do your over active clothing desires create situations in which you wear leather jackets, vests, pants? Do you wear leather shoes and boots? What about a leather belt? Is that what's holding your pants up?

Do you go to McDonalds with the kids and or just for a quick bite on the way home? What about Wendys or Taco Bell or any of the other fast food joints? What about heading out with the guys for a burger and a beer? Perhaps a nice steak dinner with the girl of your choice? And goodness! Thanksgiving is here in two days...anyone eating a turkey? Ham? Standing Rib Roast?

Please...my over active taste buds are simply honest in their enjoyment of other food sources. And I don't talk out of both sides of my mouth, claiming all those mean and nasty hunters are killing bambi just to placate barbarian desires while wearing my leather jacket.

If you like cow, I'd have to ask why you would choose to eat the meat of one of the most trusting large animals there is. Ask any farmer. He can go out in the field and call the cows by each of their names and they'll come. They'll follow tractors around as well as people on foot, and they do not one darn thing other than eat a hell of a lot of grass.

Beyond that, why do I eat fish and white tail deer and antelope, and duck and geese, and wild turkey, and squirrel, and rabbit and a whole lot more than I've listed here? Because they taste good.

Finally, I make no apologies for my preferences or my tastebuds. Personally, if you don't like my eating habits, don't sit down with me at the table, cause I assure you, the turkey we're having in two days, did NOT come from Kroger.

Oh yea, I wear leather and real fur as well. And I don't apologize for that either.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 7:32:09 PM   
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I am unaware of anywhere in nature where any creature, except homo sapians, that kills for fun. 



I had a tank with African Cichlids in it when I was in college.  My tank had a reputation for groomed viciousness from adding new fish and scheduling beer parties on feeding (live goldfish) day.

The aquarium store guy imported a bunch of Chinese Snakeheads illegally, and sold me 4 of them with the caveat that they were a) vicious and b) would kill for the hell of it.

I rearranged the rocks (Cichlids are territorial) and put in 50 goldfish with them.  I figured it would only be nice to give the snakeheads a chance.

The last of them lived 3 days before my Cichlids turned them into luncheon meat.

Im not sure what it means, but I have been told of animals that kill for the fun of it.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 7:37:31 PM   
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I certainly understand what you are saying, but personally, if I was hunting with a handgun, I'd be packing a Desert Eagle and drop em on a dime. I don't know about other areas of the country, but from what I can nail down, Indiana law requires a handgun of at least 357 magnum and up, it appears the preference is a 44 caliber.




When I was up in Alaska doing a contract, the largest grizzly bear ever shot was taken down.

This bear stood 13.5 feet on it's hind legs.  Its claw was about 1.5 feet across.

It had the partially digested remains of a hiker, as well as 4 .357 slugs in it.

The hiker who took it down shot it 6 times with a .44 Automag.  The bear is now stuffed and standing in Anchorage airport.

I would imagine that if you are going to kill something, the .44 automag is the way to go as handguns are concerned.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 7:44:45 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: justheather

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But to make the point that you are doing it to "thin the herd" or "deal with deer overpopulation" or some other nonsense fails to take into account that deer did just fine for thousands and thousands of years before white man invaded the New World.


Sinergy, usually I don't take issue with what you post, but somebody's got to call you on some of this stuff.

First of all, Im curious as to where your eco-friendly, habitat-sensitive, non-waste-producing, non-old-growth timber cabin built on land never inhabited by other living creatures is, as Id love to come visit. Or are you typing from the Old World, back where the deer run free and there are no ecological problems?

How does "deer did fine before the white man built another walmart" defend your stance that hunting does not serve to do anything except satisfy the violent urges of people in camoflage with guns?

And Im not sure someone who introduces the concept of "killing Bambi" in a thread about hunting can really claim no emotional involvement for too long without being called on it. Just sayin.




I have to live with a head that insists I examine everything from every imaginable, frequently non sequiter, often ridiculous, point of view.

Maybe you are correct.  Maybe people spend thousands of dollars on hunting equipment, hundreds of dollars on deer tags, etc., in order to help cull the herd of Bambi descendents whose entire evil purpose in life is to overpopulate our few remaining forests.

Not how I would choose to give back to my species, but I support those willing to "take one for the team" so to speak.

Sinergy

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