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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 11:19:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		The usual mix up that occurs when this subject is aired is clearly present in this thread. The fact that throughout Nature species devour other species for food or fun  in no way justifies the lack of aesthetic sensitivity of those who for whatever reason sneak up on an animal, be it beautiful or ugly and shoot/extirminate it and appear proud of what they have done !

Reminds me of E Hemingway glorifying the obscenity of bullfighting. 'orrible

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 11:29:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thompson, not sure myself how exactly you define a sport......when you take Juliaoceania to task for defining sport as a "as an equal competition between two competetors.", you don't really give another useable definition. Your sky-diving comparison doesn't really hold water, as there is no opposing force to overcome, unless you count humans natural reluctance to jump out of aeroplanes as a competitor.
In the language we talk of offering a 'sporting chance' to people or things. This seems to imply to me that when we speak of sport we are talking of a situation in which we risk the possibility of failure.....i don't really see how upping the calibre of a weapon to eliminate risk to ourselves is sporting. Your two objections to using low calibre weapons seem to me to be very un-sporting. It may be difficult to use a .22, but difficulty is part of sport, as is risk to the hunter. Maybe i have got the wrong end of the stick, but isn't risk of failure intrinsic to sport?

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 11:37:14 AM   
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i don't really see how upping the calibre of a weapon to eliminate risk to ourselves is sporting. Your two objections to using low calibre weapons seem to me to be very un-sporting. It may be difficult to use a .22, but difficulty is part of sport, as is risk to the hunter. Maybe i have got the wrong end of the stick, but isn't risk of failure intrinsic to sport?


The main reason is that using such a low calibre of weapon increases the risk of the animal dieing slowly and or running off to die of the wound many hours or even a day later.
It is a matter of physics required for a clean kill with a firearm. the accepted general rule mong hunters is 1,000ft lbs at the target range, for deer. (ie if the deer is at 300 yards the a rifle with 1,000 ft lbs 200 yards is insufficient to do the job ith a clean kill) There are other ft lbs requirements calculated for othergame species. Beyond that there is the item folks have ignored as well, IT IS LEGALLY REQUIRED to use a firerm with centerfire primer (high powered not rim fired like a .22)to hunt deer in all 50 states. In other words f you hunt them with a .22 you are breaking the game laws.


The general rule among hunters concerning fairness is called fair chase, nd the definition of that can be found at Safari Club International.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 12:39:25 PM   
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The usual mix up that occurs when this subject is aired is clearly present in this thread. The fact that throughout Nature species devour other species for food or fun  in no way justifies the lack of aesthetic sensitivity of those who for whatever reason sneak up on an animal, be it beautiful or ugly and shoot/extirminate it and appear proud of what they have done !

Reminds me of E Hemingway glorifying the obscenity of bullfighting. 'orrible




seeksfemmeslave:
I am unaware of anywhere in nature where any creature, except homo sapians, that kills for fun.  That does not mean it does not happen it just means I am unaware of which species you are speaking of ...how about a little help here?
Now I have seen howler monkeys kill and not eat their prey but this is over turf and not for fun.  I have seen dolphins kill sharks.  This was in self defense and not for fun...oh yeah they gang up on them and beat them to death...no shit dolphins are bad ass.
As for Hemingway's "Death in the Afternoon" either you did not read it or you did not understand it.  It is only called bull fighting in english in spanish it is La Corrida and it has nothing to do with fighting and everything to do with machismo and the elegance, skill and courage with wich you pull it off.
If you had ever been to La Corrida you will have noticed the collection of "first runners up" in some of the previous contest out in front of the stadium begging for coins.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 1:11:11 PM   
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Thompson, not sure myself how exactly you define a sport......when you take Juliaoceania to task for defining sport as a "as an equal competition between two competetors.", you don't really give another useable definition. Your sky-diving comparison doesn't really hold water, as there is no opposing force to overcome, unless you count humans natural reluctance to jump out of aeroplanes as a competitor.
In the language we talk of offering a 'sporting chance' to people or things. This seems to imply to me that when we speak of sport we are talking of a situation in which we risk the possibility of failure.....i don't really see how upping the calibre of a weapon to eliminate risk to ourselves is sporting. Your two objections to using low calibre weapons seem to me to be very un-sporting. It may be difficult to use a .22, but difficulty is part of sport, as is risk to the hunter. Maybe i have got the wrong end of the stick, but isn't risk of failure intrinsic to sport?



philosophy:
My point was and is that juliaoceana has defined sport essentially the same as you have; as a contest between somewhat equally matched individuals. Sport is defined in websters as any activity or experience that gives enjoyment or recreation. In the sport of skydiving the opponent is gravity and fear.
It is not I but the government that objects to taking game animals with low powered weapons.  I was simply pointing out their reasoning.  I have taken many deer with a 22 rimfire but we are talking straight up head on at 10 paces.  I do not hunt for sport I hunt for lunch as I have previously noted.  The deer hears better than I can, has a keener sense of smell, runs faster than I can and has the advantage of being intimately aquainted with his environment.  On my side of the advantage ledger I know where he lives so I just wait for him to come home.  If I wanted to hunt for sport I would go back in the military where your quary shoots back.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 1:27:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The pride in hunting ability came long before it was upstaged with what we have today from so many.
Todayis more a matter of hunting having lost it's meanings and being a poor reflection of what it used to meanmostly based on the fact that too many of those who still hunt have had the same values disconect from their parents and grandparent that created the other social changes of modern times.

Hunting' first blooding as a rite of passage complete with it's meanings, solemnity, wonder, sorrow, and other lessons of life, has been all but lost replaced by a shadow of the orginal blooding rituals. The fact that people are now so removed from their food before it is killed and processed certainly has led to much of the anti hunting sentiment as well.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 2:37:16 PM   
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That said I tend to hunt with lower powered firearms and limit my shots to close range, basicly I hunt with a handgun and usually limit my shots to what most consider bowhunting ranges <50 yards, and when I bowhunt I limit my shots to under 30 yards. But the challange is what I enjoy most.

I certainly understand what you are saying, but personally, if I was hunting with a handgun, I'd be packing a Desert Eagle and drop em on a dime. I don't know about other areas of the country, but from what I can nail down, Indiana law requires a handgun of at least 357 magnum and up, it appears the preference is a 44 caliber. In other words, it may be a sport, but dropping the animal is not part of it, once you do manage to find your prey, the intent is to drop it as efficiently as possible. Perhaps that's different in other areas in the country, but I am sure the intent is not to make it as sporting as possible, but as efficient as it can be. I always make it a practice to not hunt something that can eat me, so I guess I'm not that sporting...lol.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 2:46:37 PM   
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I have witnessed and seen film of a cat toying with a mouse before despatching and ABANDONING it after the kill.. I have seen film of Chimpanzees who ganged up, stalked and killed an isolated Chimp, tore it to bits and then left the pieces lying spread around. Though hyperactive they seemed to enjoy it it. I have witnessed a big dog grab a small dog, shake and harry it until it was unconcious, then drop it and lope off, tail wagging with what I would say was a very self satisfied posture.

Bull Fighting or La Corrida (the running) is a disgusting sadistic spectacle demonstrating the depravity of which many humans are capable. The Picadors horses have their vocal chords severed so their panicky screams do not upset the more sensitive in the audience and in fact it was only about 1912 that the horses started to wear the protective coat to stop them being regularly disembowelled. Does that please you Thompson.

The necessity to despatch animals for food could be described as a moral flaw in the natural order of things and clearly humans cannot be held responseable for that. To enjoy killing an animal simply for excitement or "trophyism" is  entirely different, it is inexcuseable, phsycopathic , reveals a total lack of empathy and is a perversion in the true meaning of the term.

No amount of rationalisation can alter that.



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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 3:42:14 PM   
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Thompson...
I have witnessed and seen film of a cat toying with a mouse before despatching and ABANDONING it after the kill.. I have seen film of Chimpanzees who ganged up, stalked and killed an isolated Chimp, tore it to bits and then left the pieces lying spread around. Though hyperactive they seemed to enjoy it it. I have witnessed a big dog grab a small dog, shake and harry it until it was unconcious, then drop it and lope off, tail wagging with what I would say was a very self satisfied posture.

Bull Fighting or La Corrida (the running) is a disgusting sadistic spectacle demonstrating the depravity of which many humans are capable. The Picadors horses have their vocal chords severed so their panicky screams do not upset the more sensitive in the audience and in fact it was only about 1912 that the horses started to wear the protective coat to stop them being regularly disembowelled. Does that please you Thompson.

The necessity to despatch animals for food could be described as a moral flaw in the natural order of things and clearly humans cannot be held responseable for that. To enjoy killing an animal simply for excitement or "trophyism" is  entirely different, it is inexcuseable, phsycopathic , reveals a total lack of empathy and is a perversion in the true meaning of the term.

No amount of rationalisation can alter that.




seeksfemmeslave:
This is what is called bait and switch...in the post I responded to you were refering to animals in nature and the examples you trot out are about domestic animals or zoo animals...you can't have it both ways.
When you speak of the dog loping off with a self satisfied posture...I believe that is called anthropomorphism...the ascribing of human atributes to animals ...now that is downright silly, I know you are much smarter than that.  I have read many of your posts.

As for the horses of the picadores having their vocal cords severed it has not been my experience in the 50 odd years I have been attending the corrida.  Clearly you have never been to a bullfight or you would know that that padding on the picadores horses would not stop a bulls horn.
I have seen the picadore and his horse tossed into the stands by a bull poorley handled by a picadore.  Killing both the horse and rider and several spectators.   When you say that the horses were regularly disemboweled what do you call regularly one in ten fights one in 100???common buddie stop making stuff up, in the old days and I mean before either you or I were born it would happen once or twice a season.  But then they would allow bulls in the ring that weighed as much as 2000 kg but now, as in the past 75 years or so, they have limited the size of the bulls to about 1000 kg
The death of the bull is in no way realted to trophyism or sport as I mentioned previously.  Clearly you have not read Hemingway's book "Death in the Afternoon" or you would know that.  So how about you go read the book and then come back and me and thee  can discuss this.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 4:24:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thompson....when I was much younger I read Death in the Afternoon, The Old Man and the Sea and For Whom the Tolls and came away from the experience wondering what all the fuss was about having found the books as turgid as anything I  was ever "encouraged" to read at school, for example Tale of Two Cities by C Dickens,which is indeed turgid in the extreme. Though he did flay the Americans in American Notes but that's another story ! The bit I read concerned slavery.
I believe G Peck played a lead role in the film of For Whom etc and if he didn't he should have because his wooden one dimensional method of acting would have admiribly suited the style of the book. Just a little factual aside.

Watching a dog with a loping gait, bouncy posture, head and body proud and upright and then describing it as happy is not anthropamorphism but a simple accurate observation. Unless you know that dogs cannot experience happiness.

The role of the Picador is to weaken the neck muscles of the bull while the bull is distracted attempting to gore the horse. When the horses did not wear the protective cover they were disembowelled.

I repeat, to kill animals for pleasure, as in hunting, or some form of artistic experience (uuuggghhh), as in bull fighting , is disgusting and uncivilised.

There are some things that just transcend opinion.
Do you have a positive view of the Roman Gladiatorial games ?


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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 6:15:19 PM   
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Why would anyone shoot such a beautiful deer at all?
Its cruel and barbaric and i'm glad neither of you got the shot.


Because some of us absolutely LOVE such a beautiful dear on our plates. mmmmmm bambi burgers!!!

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 6:32:07 PM   
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Thompson....when I was much younger I read Death in the Afternoon, The Old Man and the Sea and For Whom the Tolls and came away from the experience wondering what all the fuss was about having found the books as turgid as anything I  was ever "encouraged" to read at school, for example Tale of Two Cities by C Dickens,which is indeed turgid in the extreme. Though he did flay the Americans in American Notes but that's another story ! The bit I read concerned slavery.
I believe G Peck played a lead role in the film of For Whom etc and if he didn't he should have because his wooden one dimensional method of acting would have admiribly suited the style of the book. Just a little factual aside.
Perhaps Hemingway is just not your cup of tea.  Maybe you should try reading Mexico by James Michner.  It makes a pretty fair attempt at describing the bullfight.  He even goes into the shenanigans that surround it...from the press to the ranchos where the bulls are raised...to the gambling and how the odds get "rigged" and of course Michner is not nearly as somber as Hemingway.

Watching a dog with a loping gait, bouncy posture, head and body proud and upright and then describing it as happy is not anthropamorphism but a simple accurate observation. Unless you know that dogs cannot experience happiness.
Perhaps you should check a good reference book on anthropology.  It could give you a better understanding of just how inaccurate your observations are.

The role of the Picador is to weaken the neck muscles of the bull while the bull is distracted attempting to gore the horse. When the horses did not wear the protective cover they were disembowelled.
So what you are saying is that on every sunday afternoon they would sacrifice 12 horses and 12 picadores to the bull...come on lets get realilstic.  Saying it does not make it so.

I repeat, to kill animals for pleasure, as in hunting, or some form of artistic experience (uuuggghhh), as in bull fighting , is disgusting and uncivilised.
Would you not agree that there are many human activities that are uncivilized and to a much larger degree...like perhaps fire bombing  a city full of non combatants ie. Dresden  and Tokyo?

There are some things that just transcend opinion.
Do you have a positive view of the Roman Gladiatorial games ?
I would be with the lions in thier demand for more christians.





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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 6:47:56 PM   
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Yesterday was Opening Day here...one of the biggest days of the year! We couldn't have asked for better weather...except for maybe some snow on the ground. I was in the woods by 6:30 and comfortably settled in by dawn. It was a great day. I watched the fattest fox squirrel I ever saw munch on corn for two hours straight. A couple of gray squirrels eventually showed up to spoil his morning and watching them chase each other around was pretty comical. A fox came quite close to my blind. The woods were alive with activity.

All in all I saw a total of 9 deer. Most of them were small does and a yearling buck. Couple of big does accompanied by fawns (this year's deer). And one monster 8 point....which brings me to my story.

It was about 4 in the afternoon. A small doe came through...followed by this big, bad boy! He was walking straight for me! The wind was at my face so it was just a matter of patience and keeping still. I took aim and waited. He turned broadside to me....but behind a tree. I waited. Just one more half a step! I put my finger to the trigger and "Blam!". Oh my God, what just happened? Did I accidently shoot? Then again "Blam!". I watched as the deer went bounding through the woods. "Blam!", "Blam!", "Blam!", followed it as it went. Nope, wasn't me....I didn't shoot....which brings me to my rant....

Here was this deer in my sights....less than 20 yrds from me and except for one tree(which in one more half step would not have been an issue).....but it wasn't me who got the shot....it was someone else.....over 100 yards away shooting through dense woods! I could not frigging believe it.

I had to find out what they were thinking. Aha...they saw it moving through with their high powered scope that was mounted on their low power shotgun. Couldn't tell if it had horns or not...but knew it was big. Couldn't get a good shot on it....but thought if they could just wound it bad enough...

GRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Why folks??? Why would anyone take a shot at something that they had very little chance of hitting? Why would anyone take shots at a deer that is running full tilt through dense woods? Twice that day the same person unloaded their gun on running deer. 10 shots at two deer and they went home with no deer. It happens all the time....you're out there in the woods and you can hear the shots follow their progress as they run. Maybe they are using different "tree penetrating" ammo?

They questioned me...."Why didn't you shoot it?". My reply....."Because I won't take a shot unless I'm certain it has the best potential to be fatal, I'm not into injuring deer". In another half a second that deer would have most likely been down....not running through the woods possibly injured.




You question whether or not you could have...should have (or would have) shot the deer.

I'm one of those Berkley types that wonders why you want to.  (I'm in Seattle...not that far away, but far enough...and near the mountains enough to grasp all that hunting shit).

I know that you do...want to...choose to....insist on... (and I do have some concept of that whole you "have a right to" {the Constitution, bearing arms...all that stuff}, but I still don't understand why you want to.

Kill things.

Ya know?

I'm all good with the fact that you want to.

I just don't understand why you want to.

(Ya know?)

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 7:38:41 PM   
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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/20/2006 7:49:46 PM   
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In the language we talk of offering a 'sporting chance' to people or things. This seems to imply to me that when we speak of sport we are talking of a situation in which we risk the possibility of failure.....i don't really see how upping the calibre of a weapon to eliminate risk to ourselves is sporting. Your two objections to using low calibre weapons seem to me to be very un-sporting. It may be difficult to use a .22, but difficulty is part of sport, as is risk to the hunter. Maybe i have got the wrong end of the stick, but isn't risk of failure intrinsic to sport?


Umm, it would be considered a sport because you are competing against other hunters. As in who can get the best shot in, the biggest deer, etc... I don't believe in hunting you are competing against the deer, that is a given. But rather how well you go about killng the deer, the efficiency of the kill, and the size of the prey. To think you are competing against the deer would be like saying a diver is competing against the water. No, he is competing on how well he can dive into the water compared to other divers.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 12:51:52 AM   
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I repeat, to kill animals for pleasure, as in hunting, or some form of artistic experience (uuuggghhh), as in bull fighting , is disgusting and uncivilised.
Thompson replied.....
Would you not agree that there are many human activities that are uncivilized and to a much larger degree...like perhaps fire bombing  a city full of non combatants ie. Dresden  and Tokyo?

Yes !
You could argue that both the Dresden and Tokyo events were hunting in extremis ! At least they occurred in a much more serious context. Hunting , for its own sake , as far as I can see , assuages the latent sadism present in many and to my mind is a very depressing comment on those humans who find it enjoyable.

Now....
If fresh water fish could scream....
What are such things as the Calgary Stampede about...whats that rope tied around the horses backside for
How can a 6 foot lout enjoy lassooing a tiny fleeing calf and virtually tearing its head from its shoulders when it, the calf, is stopped in its tracks.
All those Western films where horses were tripped up just in front of the camera...
In the UK we have a steeplechase, the Grand National, seemingly designed to maim and kill horses.
I believe in Czechoslovakia they have a race even more demanding.
Cock Fighting...Bear Baiting...Camel fighting   etc etc etc
Is there such a thing as original sin.   Dont ask me !


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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 1:00:08 AM   
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Now....
If fresh water fish could scream....



ROFL...

This coming summer, I learn to fillet. My policy has been that I don't cut anything that's looking at me (I had a dad who would do the honors, but evidently, that's not an option for me anymore when it comes to fishing with my Master.) He says he's going to get me a little fishy blindfold - or I can just put a towl over it's head to hold it down when I start to "prepare dinner."

Let em scream. They still taste good.
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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 4:52:47 AM   
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I said......
I repeat, to kill animals for pleasure, as in hunting,
This is called a "false premise" no one in this thread has said that they kill animals for pleasure.  Every respondant in this thread that hunts has stated catagoricaly that they hunt for food.  What you are doing is creating a false argument against something that does not exist.  Please try to stay on track.


or some form of artistic experience (uuuggghhh), as in bull fighting
Again a false premise...no one has said that bull fighting is a form of artistic experience.



is disgusting and uncivilised.
Thompson replied.....
Would you not agree that there are many human activities that are uncivilized and to a much larger degree...like perhaps fire bombing  a city full of non combatants ie. Dresden  and Tokyo?

Yes !
You could argue that both the Dresden and Tokyo events were hunting in extremis
Again ...false premise ...I did not say that Dresden and Tokyo were hunting in extremis.  I said, as you have quoted above, that they were exercises in uncivilized behaviour.

! At least they occurred in a much more serious context. Hunting , for its own sake , as far as I can see , assuages the latent sadism present in many and to my mind is a very depressing comment on those humans who find it enjoyable.

Now....
If fresh water fish could scream....
What are such things as the Calgary Stampede about...whats that rope tied around the horses backside for
How can a 6 foot lout enjoy lassooing a tiny fleeing calf and virtually tearing its head from its shoulders when it, the calf, is stopped in its tracks.
ROFLMAO...Your knowledge of bovine anatomy is just as faulty as your understanding of bullfighting.
All those Western films where horses were tripped up just in front of the camera...
Still laughing here...it is the movies it is fake no animals are injured.  It is done with camera tricks...it is against the law in the US to hurt animals in this fashion.  There are always people from the animal rights groups on site when these stunts are done and they assist in finding the most humane way to get the effect that the director wants.  If it cannot be done without hurting an animal it is not done.
In the UK we have a steeplechase, the Grand National, seemingly designed to maim and kill horses.
I believe in Czechoslovakia they have a race even more demanding.
Actually the two most demanding races of this sort are in Idaho and Australia.  The Idaho event I believe is called the helldarado and the one in Oz the name escapes me at the moment. In both events the owner is usually the rider and I have never known a horsman who would intentionally injure thier horse.  It is an event that taxes both horse and rider as to skill and endurance. 
Then of course there is the "Bushkazi" that is run in Afghanastan in which it is horse and rider against other horsemen and their mounts.
If you would like a good read on this particular event you might avail yourself of either the book or the vidio (Jack Palance,Omar Shariif)
the title is "The Horsmen"


Cock Fighting...Bear Baiting...Camel fighting   etc etc etc
Is there such a thing as original sin.   Dont ask me !

Come on now if we are going to discuss lets discuss the same thing and not things you make up to argue about.
 
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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 5:43:03 AM   
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While I cant fault your culinary enthusiasm, bambi burgers and screaming  fish, I wish you would show a little feeling for those animals despatched to an early probably painful  end to satisfy your over active taste buds.

Thompson
It may be true Mr T that no one has admitted killing for pleasure alone, but such denials, either spoken or implicit, are in the nature of things. Who is going to parade the nasty side hidden deep inside them ?
They know its there tho',  and so do I !!!

You comment earlier Mr T that in a Bull Fight  the death is not related to "trophyism". In fact the Matador, the Killer, the low life unscrupulous self obsessed , narcissistic Assassin from the wrong side of the tracks, may be awarded the severed ears of his adversary depending on how some hot assed Senora or drink ravaged Local unworthy judges the entry of the sword at the moment of the kill.
I love it when the Bull strikes first and gets his horns into the fleshy bits of the degenerate in a shining suit of lights. Then what happens. The Bull is killed.
when he fact he should be paraded in honour around the local Plaza and possibly elected Mayor.

< Message edited by seeksfemslave -- 11/21/2006 5:59:40 AM >

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/21/2006 6:12:46 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		I can't answer for mistoferin but I will gladly answer for me and many other hunters as to why I hunt.
I hunt because it connects me to the very fact that in order for me to eat something has to die.
I hunt because it connects me spiritually to the hunter of yesterday, lastdecade, last century, last milennium, and back to the earliest ancestors that were human. I hunt because there is a primative call to prove to myself that I can provide for my family.
Male first blood rituals were hunting or warfare oriented and they graduated you to the status of providor and/or protector.
When I hunt with a bow it connects me across 5,000+ years of human history and for a little while we are walking in the same shoes thinking the same thoughts, sharing the emotions and thoughts across a 5000 year gap bridged for the moment as if it could have been yesterday. (remeber the Iceman they found in the Alps?)
I hunt because I feel it is the right thing to do for the overall health of the total population of the game animal. I hunt aimals that I can eat, I hunt a few animals that are vermin and causeing damage to the available land or have tilted the ballance out of wack for the local situation.
If hog populations get high the land becomes less haitable for deer and other browser animals,...
I hunt because there is a thril in going out and paterning the animal figuring where in a 30,000 acre area the deer are, where they bed down where and what they are eating (and that changes as the season goes on), where they get their water, where they travel between those places, what part of the breeding and other life cycles they are and how that effects their behaviour, what weather conditions are currently and how that will change their behavior. (there is a heck of a lot of scouting, homework that people generally don't see hunters doing) I get the thrill from being able to sneak and place myself within 50 or so yards of an animal who can smell better, see better, hear better, run faster, and is on his home turf. I hunt from the ground level as a personal choice because it makes it harder on me.

I have no doubt thatsome will never understand these why's that I hunt for, anymore than I understand the why's they don't.

< Message edited by Archer -- 11/21/2006 6:15:14 AM >

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