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Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 3:48:55 PM   
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By MARIA CHENG, AP Medical WriterThu Nov 16, 8:40 AM ET
 
European health ministers from 53 countries approved the world's first charter to fight obesity on Thursday, vowing greater action against the epidemic of expanding waistlines across the continent.

The charter, approved in Istanbul, Turkey, was drafted by the World Health Organization in consultation with its European member states. It is the first real attempt to compel national authorities to take concrete action to combat obesity.

"Lots of governments have good recommendations and nice guidelines, but in terms of nutritional goals, most countries haven't achieved them," said Dr. Francesco Branca, WHO's European adviser for nutrition and food security. The charter commits governments to things like improving the availability of healthy foods and adopting regulations for safer roads to promote cycling and walking.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061116/ap_on_he_me/anti_obesity_charter

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 3:51:19 PM   
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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 4:04:57 PM   
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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 4:12:36 PM   
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Next there will be a law and a hefty fine for being hefty........... sigh



The rational is that it is cheaper to have a healthy population than not which is important in a system of universal healthcare. Obesity is a far bigger drain on health resources than most other life choices including smoking and by a long way. As you go around Europe its remarkable how people's diets differ from one country to another.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 4:18:13 PM   
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I'm sure neither misst nor Q shall be bothered by the Health Police; both are too lovely, and not in violation of any obesity laws.
 
Good health matters to me (I've lost 21 pounds since September), and I like to see people encouraged to be healthy, but laws and codes can go too far in some areas, and I'd consider this to be one.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 4:29:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt there will be any laws draughted on what people can or can't eat but it will be more of a promotion campaign and using economic and other means available to governments such as building more cycle tracks and giving them precedence over cars and probably taxing cars more and banning them from city centres etc. Taxing fatty foods more and making fatty foods have health labels on their packets like cigarettes.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 4:45:06 PM   
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I doubt there will be any laws draughted on what people can or can't eat but it will be more of a promotion campaign and using economic and other means available to governments such as building more cycle tracks and giving them precedence over cars and probably taxing cars more and banning them from city centres etc. Taxing fatty foods more and making fatty foods have health labels on their packets like cigarettes.


MC, I'd rather see information programs than an increase of tax on foods of any sort. I do understand the reasoning behind such a possible tax, but it just rubs me wrong.
 
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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 5:25:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cant speak for Europe, but I am the voice of experiance at feeding a family on a very limited budget. 
Good food is expensive, cheap food makes ya fat.  People do know ~how~ to eat, but many times are limited by their wallet.  ...  let this evolve from a child who grew up in a penny pinching family who ate alot of starch, and you've got an adult that has never grown a taste for good for you food.  It's happening now in our life time...
Personally I think more women need to learn to really cook!

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 5:57:25 PM   
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Personally I think more women need to learn to really cook!


And maybe men too?

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 7:05:43 PM   
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Good health matters to me (I've lost 21 pounds since September), and I like to see people encouraged to be healthy, but laws and codes can go too far in some areas, and I'd consider this to be one.


That is freaking awesome. :) congrats!

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 7:20:59 PM   
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Personally I think more women need to learn to really cook!


And maybe men too?


The men in my family are required to cook, sew and clean.   Children (regardless of sex) also get a toolbox for their 12th Christmas.  The ladies are required to use them just like the guys are.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 7:23:15 PM   
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Good health matters to me (I've lost 21 pounds since September), and I like to see people encouraged to be healthy, but laws and codes can go too far in some areas, and I'd consider this to be one.


That is freaking awesome. :) congrats!


Thank you, pretty lady.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 7:29:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're right on all counts.  Good food is expensive and when money is tight, well, you do what you have to do to not send your children to bed hungry.  I feel quite blessed in that I don't have that issue; however, when I was a kid, we sometimes did go to bed hungry. 

I do wish, tho, that I could cook better.  Just never learned to. 

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 7:33:34 PM   
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You're right on all counts.  Good food is expensive and when money is tight, well, you do what you have to do to not send your children to bed hungry.  I feel quite blessed in that I don't have that issue; however, when I was a kid, we sometimes did go to bed hungry. 

I do wish, tho, that I could cook better.  Just never learned to. 

Level...you rock!


*multiple hugs for the sweet lady*
 
Thanks bandit. When I put my mind to something, it generally gets done.
 
Oooh, I just threw a donut at you on another thread....

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 7:56:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand that cooking well with cheap food is hard, but anyone who sets their mind to it can do it.

A salad, while expensive by weight, is very filling.  Start the meal off with a big head of iceberg with some sliced carrots, cucumbers, or other tasty vegetables.

Soup, such as a beef broth or vegetable broth, with pasta can be made with bones, scraps, and other waste.  Yes, it takes time, and the first try may not be perfect, but it's filling, flavourful, and freezable.

For meat, often you can get cuts for roasting for quite cheap if you buy large amounts.  Almost any meat keeps in the freezer, and if you cut it into smaller pieces before freezing it, you've got great protein for a reasonable price.

At that point, you won't even be very hungry any more, but some rice, potatoes, or pasta can be just what you need.

I can tell you neither the price nor the amount of calories, but they are both quite low.

Buy a few used cookbooks for a few dollars, and experiment.do some homework, and don't just say "I'm fat because I'm poor."

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 10:32:30 PM   
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I grew up poor in the Boston area and we ate a lot of baked beans which are cheap and a good source of protein as well as fishcakes every friday for the same reason and because everyone was catholic in that area and we'd even have fish for lunch in school on fridays.
I don't know about taxing foods but could they have some type of manditory excercise program in Europe?

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/16/2006 11:24:33 PM   
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I cant speak for Europe, but I am the voice of experiance at feeding a family on a very limited budget. 
Good food is expensive, cheap food makes ya fat.  People do know ~how~ to eat, but many times are limited by their wallet.  ...  let this evolve from a child who grew up in a penny pinching family who ate alot of starch, and you've got an adult that has never grown a taste for good for you food.  It's happening now in our life time...
Personally I think more women need to learn to really cook!


I can't speak for America but the EU has done studies on the costs of eating healthily and it's not an issue. People who have a tradition of cooking and eating healthily like France and the mediterrean area don't have higher food costs than people who don't eat healthily like Britain and Germany. What the study found was that people who don't eat healthily are usually using convenience foods because of the lack of time their busy life styles. The French live more a traditional life style where eating meals in a group (family) is social and more important than an endless chase for more money and luxury. Having lived in France, they do have a far more satisfying and contented life style than most countries as far as I can tell.


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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 2:34:29 AM   
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Level, congrats on losing 21 pounds since Sept!
Good man!

I grew up poor in the Boston area and we ate a lot of baked beans which are cheap and a good source of protein as well as fishcakes every friday for the same reason and because everyone was catholic in that area and we'd even have fish for lunch in school on fridays.
I don't know about taxing foods but could they have some type of manditory excercise program in Europe?


Thanks Popeye, it's something I had done before, but I "slipped" once I went to work in an office, so it's just a matter of doing what I know is best.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 2:57:06 AM   
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I cant speak for Europe, but I am the voice of experiance at feeding a family on a very limited budget. 
Good food is expensive, cheap food makes ya fat.  People do know ~how~ to eat, but many times are limited by their wallet.  ...  let this evolve from a child who grew up in a penny pinching family who ate alot of starch, and you've got an adult that has never grown a taste for good for you food.  It's happening now in our life time...
Personally I think more women need to learn to really cook!


I can't speak for America but the EU has done studies on the costs of eating healthily and it's not an issue. People who have a tradition of cooking and eating healthily like France and the mediterrean area don't have higher food costs than people who don't eat healthily like Britain and Germany. What the study found was that people who don't eat healthily are usually using convenience foods because of the lack of time their busy life styles. The French live more a traditional life style where eating meals in a group (family) is social and more important than an endless chase for more money and luxury. Having lived in France, they do have a far more satisfying and contented life style than most countries as far as I can tell.



MC, I enjoy reading about how the French and Greeks and the Japanese don't have near the incident of obesity and heart disease; unfortunately, a lot of the food choices they're getting now are "westerninzed", ie McDonalds, etc.
 
There was a good article in GQ recently about how the French are resisting "speeding up" their lifestyle, especially in the country... I hope they succeed.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 3:11:49 AM   
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