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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 3:15:57 AM   
bandit25


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Status: offline 		All right.  That's it!  Everyone is getting skinny but me.  Guess it's diet time...lol.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 3:22:34 AM   
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Congrats Level on losing the weight, Ive lost 20 myself.  I can always lose it when I set my mind to it, its keeping it off that hard for me.


Thank you and congratulations, cuddles. I'm proud of you, lady. It is tough keeping it off, I guess a lot of us get complacent, I've found regular weigh-ins help keep you focused.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 3:23:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bandit25

All right.  That's it!  Everyone is getting skinny but me.  Guess it's diet time...lol.


*takes the donut back*

If you want to do it, you can. I believe that, bandit, and try to not look at it like a diet, but a change in lifestyle.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 3:29:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bandit25

All right.  That's it!  Everyone is getting skinny but me.  Guess it's diet time...lol.


You can do it!!!  I never say the word "diet"...I just say, I'm not eating that today..lol....Its just one day at a time, sometimes one hour at a time.  And working sitting down looking at a computer screen all day doesnt help me, so at lunch, I walk around the parking alot(its a big parking lot too).  Plus, having a stubborn streak in me helps too. 

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 4:12:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you're working behind a computer all day and losing weight too your doing well. It took me a complete change in life style to lose weight. I wasn't that heavy before but heavy enough and there is no way I would allow myself to put weight on again. Good luck with your efforts.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 4:17:01 AM   
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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 6:14:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I think more women need to learn to really cook!

I think more people need to learn to really cook.

Anyways, I think this is an awesome idea. Make crappy food for you more expensive, because usually the crappy food for you is cheap as hell. My family went on welfare when I was 7, so we ended up being on a tight budget. Somehow we managed to eat alright somewhat due to our religious beliefs, but government issued food isn't great for you.

Also congratulations, Level, on the loss of 21 pounds. That's a huge accomplishment.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 6:38:52 AM   
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I cant speak for Europe, but I am the voice of experiance at feeding a family on a very limited budget. 
Good food is expensive, cheap food makes ya fat.  People do know ~how~ to eat, but many times are limited by their wallet.  ...  let this evolve from a child who grew up in a penny pinching family who ate alot of starch, and you've got an adult that has never grown a taste for good for you food.  It's happening now in our life time...
Personally I think more women need to learn to really cook!


I'm on a limited budget and at one time had to go to food banks when I was first separated.  I am not fat my kids are lean and strong as I am too.  I didn't think that cheap food makes you fat.  I always thought organic food was expensive, but can't agree with that.  We are an active family, walking daily, swimming and taking care.  I have used my old habit cigarette money to buy us a membership at the complex where we can join in on the gym, pool and rink.  It's all in the mind and I believe that food can be an addiction.  I know tons that eat when they are depressed, and even when something good happens, this time of the year is hard for many to eat properly.  Christmas goodies and the like.  Being obese is sad, I do feel for those that suffer addiction, because merely food is just a symptom of thier disease.  To stop obesity is really not showing someone HOW to cook it's showing someone how to cope with life on life's terms and eat sensibly and healthy.  A box of kraft dinner and a bag of chips can buy you a lb of hamburger meat and a couple of potatoes.  I know, I live on a budget and I cook all My meals. 
Take care and be wise.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 7:42:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		European health ministers from 53 countries approved the world's first charter to fight obesity on Thursday.

Ok sensible answer. I have no idea whether anyone has made this point because i haven't read every post and if they have my apologies for repeating.
Why is it just obese people they are concentrating on?
In my home alone there are four different types of unhealthy people (myself included). Now basing that obesity is caused in general by diet and lack of excercise i'll concentrate on them.
P eats nothing but cheap fish fingers, canned ready meals and block and blocks of cheese. He smokes 40 - 50 roll up cigs a day and gets limited excercise. He can't be healthy yet he's skinny as a rake.
My daughter and K are both very healthy eaters and my little one goes to the gym and frequently excercises. They are both still slightly over weight. Healthy?
L is obese and eats junk food and lazes in bed all day. When she does get up she has K run around after her and do everything. Definately not healthy. 
Myself i eat healthily but only once a day if that. I excercise regularly and would say am of average build. Healthy?
How on earth is a plan that is just aimed at obesity going to work over all? I've just shown several different body types, eating habits, excercise plans and non of them in my mind is healthy. Surely a health plan should be aimed at everyone not just one sect? 

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 2:23:28 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		The government needs to stay out of my bedroom, and my kitchen.

we have meds that make one get other illnesses, and provoke the hunger mechanism in teh brain.

and alot of us are fat.

sue me.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 2:38:26 PM   
NeedToUseYou


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Status: offline 		All this is going to mean is those governments are going to tax unhealthy stuff like they do cigarettes, and alcohol.

hip hip hooray, more taxes....

Personally, I prefer the government in general to be involved in the least amount of things as possible. Everyone already knows how to lose weight, you eat less, or better, and exercise.What does anyone need the government for?



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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 2:46:39 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		The problem is when people want health care (which many European countries have) but don't want to pay taxes for it. 

Yes, the Government should stay out, but ultimately, someone has to carry the cost of obesity.  If they introduce a "fat tax" (On fatty foods, not people) not only can they make a bit of money to finance treatment, but they can also eliminate the "I'm fat because unhealthy food is cheap" excuse.

They'll come up with a new excuse within days, don't worry.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 3:47:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressTruth

Personally I think more women need to learn to really cook!

I think more people need to learn to really cook.

Anyways, I think this is an awesome idea. Make crappy food for you more expensive, because usually the crappy food for you is cheap as hell. My family went on welfare when I was 7, so we ended up being on a tight budget. Somehow we managed to eat alright somewhat due to our religious beliefs, but government issued food isn't great for you.

Also congratulations, Level, on the loss of 21 pounds. That's a huge accomplishment.


Thanks Truth, I appreciate that .

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 4:07:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Why is it just obese people they are concentrating on?


Current levels of obesity cause more illness (cancer, heart desease, diabetes etc) and use more health service resources than any other condition and is streets ahead of smoking in its toll on human health. Obesity and smoking only compounds the problem.

With EU countries having universal healthcare it is sensible to keep the population healthy and reduce the costs for the health service, unlike the US where you pay for healthcare as and when it is used (or through insurance), it is in the insurers interest to keep the population healthy and not in the health service's interest where sick people are business.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 5:41:16 PM   
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Congrats Level on losing the weight, Ive lost 20 myself.  I can always lose it when I set my mind to it, its keeping it off that hard for me.


Warmest congrats to both Level and cuddleheart! I know all too well what a challenge weight loss can be.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/17/2006 7:20:27 PM   
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Congrats Level on losing the weight, Ive lost 20 myself.  I can always lose it when I set my mind to it, its keeping it off that hard for me.


Warmest congrats to both Level and cuddleheart! I know all too well what a challenge weight loss can be.


Thanks dc , the good thoughts are very much appreciated.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/18/2006 4:45:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		When shopping in the US compared with UK the cost of fruit & veg is much higher and raw ingredients for meals seems a bit higher whilst pre prcessed food is much, much cheaper. Eating out in the US is substantially cheaper than in the UK but the food provided tends to be more of the preprocessed variety or specific beef / pork derivaive foods e.g. ribs, steak etc (sweeping statement I know but just stay with me a minute). Net result you can eat very cheaply in the US if you want to but it is very poor quality. The UK has one of the highest processed food intakes in Europe.
Also if you include the true cost of processed food by including food miles & therefore environmental costs, high poor quality of meat content and so the deforistation and methane contribution to climate change costs, high chemical and water useage costs - industrial operations etc and the health costs of high fat, salt, etc , then all that the additional tax do is to reflect correct cost of production and the other resulting problems that someone else is paying for at the moment. Take tha additional tax and provide fee school meals for all children made with good ingredients and you will train an entire generations stomachs to aprciate good healthy and coparatively cheap food - all within a market economy environment.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/18/2006 5:19:11 AM   
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Just in reply to your comment about providing healthier school meals; this was introduced in the UK from September this year, and guess what? The kids dont eat it, because they dont like it.

Instead they leave the premises to go to MacVomit or the fish and chip shop, or, and this was the stupidest thing; we had TV pictures of moms handing more over-salted fatty chemical laden crap through the school fence, to their kids, and taking orders from other kids to go and fetch them more of the same.

The experiment is still in its early stages, so we will see where it goes, but so far it seems the crap is winning the day.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/18/2006 5:46:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Today I met one of my neighbours and noticed that he had lost weight. He used to be near 110 kg, he told me, and during the past half year he had lost 31 of those kgs just by eating healthy and low fat.

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RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter - 11/18/2006 6:21:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Hi Dtesmoac

Just in reply to your comment about providing healthier school meals; this was introduced in the UK from September this year, and guess what? The kids dont eat it, because they dont like it.



Its difficult to change eating habits they are brought up with at home. I remember when I was at school, there was still healthy (if yeuk) school meals, meat and two veg and free milk. An hangover from the post war to make sure children were being given a good diet because of rationing. You had no choice but to eat it or be sanctioned and in those days, parents would have backed up the school and not taken them to court for assault. Re-educating a nation to eat healthily is not going to be easy.

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