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The Leather Creed - 11/18/2006 6:49:47 PM   
cindyimswf


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The Leather Creed


  We believe in consensual slavery; this means that everyone involved in all scenes has consented willingly to participation, and would meet societal, as well as community standards, regarding scrutiny of willing consent.
We believe in consensual contracts, this means a renewing of a contract with a slave every 6 months and then up to three years, enabling the slave to be freed fully and completely, without obligation; should they so desire.
We believe in enjoyable sexuality, in exploration without coerce-ment, and in an enjoyment of power, not an abuse of it, not rape, not assault, and not enforcement of our will outside of those who have freely and willingly given their consent.
We believe in a willing power exchange, not brutality.
We believe in the fulfilling enjoyment of all parties involved, not of a one sided gratification.
We believe in being held answerable and accountable, for all of our acts, and actions.
We believe in being worshipped and adored, not feared and hated.
We believe love and enjoyment is a far stronger bond than terror and fear.
We believe there is a line between acceptable indulgence of perversion, and the enforcement of one's own will upon another, which to us is unacceptable and completely reprehensible.
We believe a responsive and receptive body and mind is to the greater enjoyment of all involved within any scene or community; and strive to attain this goal, peaceably; with others of like mind.
We believe in an alternate sexuality, not a criminal world of depravity and mental illness.

  Let us show you; teach you; share with you.

  We do not believe in child slavery or involvement of children within our scenes.
We do not believe in the involvement of those deemed unable to enter into such as are our contracts of their own free will and volition, which means we do not believe in the involvement of those individuals which society, or the courts may deem as: immature, incapable, mentally unfit, or physically unable.
We do not believe any animal can enter into such contracts as we require either, and so they too are unsuited to our desires and needs.
We do not believe in the mental or emotional injury, destruction, or breaking of our property.
We do not believe a sick or injured slave should be left, abandoned, or otherwise disposed of, but instead prefer to care for our prized possessions.
We do not believe that behaving in such a way as to be irresponsible and cause or bring harm to ourselves or our slaves is wise.
We do not believe in polluting the innocent but rather seek out those who have sought us in kind.
We do not  believe in abuse; it erodes the foundation of the relationship; loving enforcement serves us better.
We do not believe in the trafficking of human bodies, or lives without their informed consent*, and agreement in advance to activities or usage; at any age (*once able to give that consent, and especially when unable to).
We do not believe in the destruction of family, morals, or ethics but seek to live our own codes within the confines offered by societies current systems.
We do not believe that we are so much different than you.
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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/18/2006 7:10:06 PM   
Rover


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Status: offline 		I believe it's exceptionally presumptuous to portray what you believe, as if it were something that I believe, or that we (in the collective) believe.
 
Just because most (certainly not all) of these beliefs are common, does not make them universal.  And there are several I would take issue with entirely (such as believing in slave contracts... patoohey).
 
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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/18/2006 8:22:20 PM   
BitaTruble


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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/18/2006 8:53:15 PM   
thetammyjo


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Just FYI, there are some people into various aspects of BDSM who would never ever call what they do "Leather" for a few reasons.

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/18/2006 8:57:49 PM   
LordODiscipline


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I sincerely dislike these canned mantras...

Several years from now, I can see me telling someone "I am leather and really love to be brutal and abuse my girl" - and, they will tell me that I "cannot be leather", because I am "in violation of 'The Leather Creed'"...

And, I will have to kill them to put me out of my misery....

All in all - idiotic things like this cost me time in the pokey and friends.

~J
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ORIGINAL: Rover

I believe it's exceptionally presumptuous to portray what you believe, as if it were something that I believe, or that we (in the collective) believe.
 
Just because most (certainly not all) of these beliefs are common, does not make them universal.  And there are several I would take issue with entirely (such as believing in slave contracts... patoohey).
 
John


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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/18/2006 9:20:50 PM   
emdoub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: cindyimswf

The Leather Creed

Is that "The" Leather Creed, as in "The" One True Way?
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We believe in consensual contracts, this means a renewing of a contract with a slave every 6 months and then up to three years, enabling the slave to be freed fully and completely, without obligation; should they so desire.

Now, I'm confused - if my slave contracts don't have a 'renewal' clause every 6 months, they're not consensual?
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We believe in enjoyable sexuality, in exploration without coerce-ment, and in an enjoyment of power, not an abuse of it, not rape, not assault, and not enforcement of our will outside of those who have freely and willingly given their consent.

Gee - that rape scene I did wasn't enjoyable?  Wasn't consensual?  And since when has abuse of power not led to my enjoyment? Oh, well - it doesn't matter, since I've never met anyone F2F who has freely and willingly given their consent to this 'Creed'.
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We believe in a willing power exchange, not brutality.
We believe in the fulfilling enjoyment of all parties involved, not of a one sided gratification.

It just so happens I like brutality, and one-sided gratification works just fine for me.  Come to think of it, it's worked middlin' well with the folks I've used to get that gratification - they did tend to be eager for further brutality on later nights.
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We believe in being held answerable and accountable, for all of our acts, and actions.

So, you won't mind being held accountable, and asked to answer for, posting this 'Creed' as if it were some universal rule?  Good.
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We believe in being worshipped and adored, not feared and hated.

This may not be the best route to worship and adoration in these parts.  Not that it'll make you feared or hated - probably somewhere in the grey areas between.

Personally, I like to leave worship to the religious figures, anywho.
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We believe love and enjoyment is a far stronger bond than terror and fear.

I believe you have not made proper acquaintence with terror, which does engender a remarkably strong bond.  Fear is merely the wimpy cousin, and probably doesn't need to come into this right now.
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We believe there is a line between acceptable indulgence of perversion, and the enforcement of one's own will upon another, which to us is unacceptable and completely reprehensible.

Oh, my - I guess I'm reprehensible, because of my fondness of enforcing my will upon others - who knew? 

On the other hand, I've always thought that 'perversion' was, by definition, unacceptable.  That's always been part of the fun of it, y'know?
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We believe a responsive and receptive body and mind is to the greater enjoyment of all involved within any scene or community; and strive to attain this goal, peaceably; with others of like mind.

We've got a term for a responsive and receptive body being enjoyed by all involved within the community - we call it "party favor", or, for the crude, "gangbang".  Honestly, I'm surprised to find that this is your kink.  Your kink is okay, mind you - but it seems so uncharacteristic of you.
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We believe in an alternate sexuality, not a criminal world of depravity and mental illness.

But depravity is such fun!  Besides, I don't like to alternate my sexuality - it seems so structured and unspontaneous.  FWIW, much of what's talked about here is criminal in most jurisdictions, and until the DSM-V, was considered mental illness as well.
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  Let us show you; teach you; share with you.

Um, thanks, but no thanks - I've gotta pass on this.  I'm overdue to scrub the grout in the shower, y'know?
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  We do not believe in child slavery or involvement of children within our scenes.

Well, I'm fine with not involving children within your scenes, but child slavery?  I don't care what anyone says - it's her damn turn to do the dishes, and that's final!
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We do not believe in the involvement of those deemed unable to enter into such as are our contracts of their own free will and volition, which means we do not believe in the involvement of those individuals which society, or the courts may deem as: immature, incapable, mentally unfit, or physically unable.

So, if I'm unable to enter into such as are your contracts of my own free will (or with a straight face), then I'm immature, incapable, mentally unfit and/or physically unable?

Well, you're not the first to call me names, y'know.
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We do not believe any animal can enter into such contracts as we require either, and so they too are unsuited to our desires and needs.

I'll admit, my first impulse was to ask whether it was the vegetables or the minerals who were suited to your desires and needs, but on second thought, nevermind - I'm not sure I'm old enough to know about such things.
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We do not believe in polluting the innocent but rather seek out those who have sought us in kind.

Admittedly, I prefer experience myself - but do we really need to be so close-minded about this?  Newbies aren't all bad, and there's only one way for them to stop being newbies ... and experience is only gained by polluting their innocent (whatever they've negotiated for).
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We do not  believe in abuse; it erodes the foundation of the relationship; loving enforcement serves us better.

Unfortunately, 95% of what I talk about (well, brag about) here is abuse in the eyes of society and/or the local law enforcement agencies.  (Though, I will admit - if they do get involved, it certainly does tend to erode the foundation of the relationship - for 3 to 5 years, anyway.)
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We do not believe in the destruction of family, morals, or ethics but seek to live our own codes within the confines offered by societies current systems.

Morals and ethics, being immaterial, cannot be destroyed.  If you don't believe in the destruction of family, may I suggest you spend a weekend with mine?  I personally guarantee you'll be having second thoughts about that. 
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We do not believe that we are so much different than you.

I do believe that you may have a surprise or two coming your way. 

I understand that you've only been here 2 months, but really, I must commend you - this was exceptional.  Thanks for giving me something to do while the 'nilla teen party overwhelms my house (and y'all didn't know I was a masochist....)

Midnight Writer
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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/18/2006 10:10:07 PM   
MadameMonique


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Status: offline 		rofl thanks for the laugh emdoub !   hahahahaha

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 12:05:32 AM   
slavejali


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It just so happens I like brutality, and one-sided gratification works just fine for me.

Just loved that~ lol

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 1:03:31 AM   
ExSteelAgain


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Status: offline 		Well, I would have read it, but I couldn't get past the pic. Yeah, I know, men...hopeless.

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 2:48:18 AM   
MisPandora


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Status: offline 		We who, cindy?  You and the clan of folks who drank the KoolAid?  What is the source of this "Creed"?

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 2:55:30 AM   
subdreamerboy


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Status: offline 		wow, you're all very critical.  I thought the list was fair and straight forward, and no one said it had to include you: "we" I would assume refers to whomever wrote and/or agrees with it.  If it's not what you want, it's not what you want, so be it.

My only question is: what's the point? why bother posting this? it asks no questions, poses no point for debate.  what use is it on a forum?

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 8:49:59 AM   
Rover


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ORIGINAL: subdreamerboy

My only question is: what's the point? why bother posting this? it asks no questions, poses no point for debate.  what use is it on a forum?



The point is to confront "the one true way" whenever and wherever it's found, and to better inform those who may be new that there are no blueprints for Dominants, submissives, power exchange relationships, or the lifestyle.
 
I'd say that's a reasonably noble and valuable purpose.  You're free to think otherwise.
 
John

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 8:59:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		That ass speaks for itself, Ex....I think no more really needs saying here.........that ass is a credo in and of itself.

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 9:11:51 AM   
crouchingtigress


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Status: offline 		This seems fairly typical of some one new to the scene, searching for their own definitions, and their own code of conduct.
 
Cindy i am sure your heart was in a good place when you thought to post this, but you are preaching to the choir, some folks have been at this thing longer then you have been alive.
 
This is a great place to make friends and learn, and i hope you stay around for a bit because every one of us has made dorky mistakes in this forum or in the leather scene/lifestyle , so no need to be embarrassed. 
 
Its how we learn.
 
 

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 9:48:42 AM   
BitaTruble


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quote:

ORIGINAL: subdreamerboy

wow, you're all very critical.  I thought the list was fair and straight forward, and no one said it had to include you: "we" I would assume refers to whomever wrote and/or agrees with it.  If it's not what you want, it's not what you want, so be it.

My only question is: what's the point? why bother posting this? it asks no questions, poses no point for debate.  what use is it on a forum?



I'd like to point out that the statement you made 'you're all very critical' is inaccurate.

You've made an assumption on whom 'we' referred to and whom it included. I choose not to assume so simply asked. How is that critical?

Celeste

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 9:53:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hopefully, Cindy will soon be made aware of just how pretentious that creed is.

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 10:07:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aloha Fitsnicely
 
Pretentious yeah, a little....lol....but it is most likely a honest mistake, who among us can say we have never worn an ass-hat in this lifestyle?
 
I think it is really cool though that at her young age she is exploring this lifestyle and is developing a sense of herself and her own personal code of conduct. I would hope more folks would take the time to research what is and is not important to them ethics wise.
 
Had she simply worded it differently such as "this is something some friends and i are invested in, i thought i would post it for everyone, so i could hear what people like and dislike about it" this thread would have evolved very differently dont you think?

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 10:26:55 AM   
BDSM05478


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Status: offline 		Have to say from a *s* perspective, i kinda love and respect the fear and terror He inspires in me and wouldn't have it any other way lol It's the old Machiavellian (sp?) debate Love or Fear, which is a more powerful feeling and commands more respect.... Daddy leans towards fear being the more powerful option and i most deffinatly agree. I do not think the OP ment it to be one of those blanket "My way is the right way" posts.

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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 11:31:25 AM   
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RE: The Leather Creed - 11/19/2006 1:23:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		cindy,

a rather formal document and one I have not seen for some time.

CP

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