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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 6:29:10 AM   
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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 7:44:42 AM   
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Just saw the outburst on Entertainment tonight. It was a lot worst than what was reported on latimes.com. Oh my, its sad when you get a glimps of what's really in the hearts and minds of some people. But I can't imagine, why he would go on such a tirade knowing his career is tied so closely to his image. Maybe its some kind of publicity stunt. Who knows, have to see how this gets played out. Either way, its just sad all around.

Rosa


I don't believe we can really conclude what's inside anyone from media reports, video clips, and one epileptic outburst. Conduct and actions speak louder than words as well.

Nonetheless, there is such a thing as career suicide. Hard to believe he lacked basic self control.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 12:09:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, it was my reaction to a very hurtful display by someone who's show I in the past watched religiously.  I couldn't stand the character,  Kramer,  but, Richards character was a big part of one of my favorite shows from the '90s.  However in a more recent post, I did counter what I said by saying that people sometimes hit below the belt when they lack the capability to deal with their own frustration appropriately and want to make others hurt as much as they hurt.  So I agree, you can't conclusively know what's in the heart of someone based on clips and momentary outburst.  Maybe the man is as mentally and emotionally inept as the character he portrayed on Sienfeld.  Its possible Richards just doesn't have the tools to manage his anger.  It's one of the things he eluded to on the Letterman show.  Richards says he has work to do.  I hope he will work on what ails him..

BTW..........Happy Thanksgiving to all that celibrate this day.



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ORIGINAL: RosaB

Just saw the outburst on Entertainment tonight. It was a lot worst than what was reported on latimes.com. Oh my, its sad when you get a glimps of what's really in the hearts and minds of some people. But I can't imagine, why he would go on such a tirade knowing his career is tied so closely to his image. Maybe its some kind of publicity stunt. Who knows, have to see how this gets played out. Either way, its just sad all around.

Rosa


I don't believe we can really conclude what's inside anyone from media reports, video clips, and one epileptic outburst. Conduct and actions speak louder than words as well.

Nonetheless, there is such a thing as career suicide. Hard to believe he lacked basic self control.


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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 2:39:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't seen what was said and I haven't really got much interest in seeing it but what I notice is the idealistic nonsense being posted, at least in the last page or two of this thread.

Someone even says that white people have not experienced discrimination to the extent that black people have.
What a load of old tosh. Surely Collarme is not populated by graduates of the Sociology depts of so called higher education. It sounds like it to me.

White working class people have been cannon fodder throughout the ages, have done all the dirty work for minimum wages and less and have lived in poverty and squalor, frequently of their own making.

I happened to read about the conditions that Benny Goodman the jazz clarinettist endured as a child Total economic degradation in the Land of the Free. This is not an anti US diatribe, the same conditions existed in Europe in the 19th century.

Just thought I'd post that because its what I think !

PS dont berate me with slavery issue, I should worry more about the slavery that exists in parts of Africa today if I were you and the fact that the slaves were sold as such by the rulers in the 18th century African slave markets. Modern day Senegal was one. If you white middle class guilt trippers want to apportion blame, at least look at the whole issue of animosity across the racial and social divide.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 4:06:00 PM   
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I don't think you can find a word that would offend whites as much as "nigger" offends blacks because whites as a group weren't subjected to systematic discrimination for centuries.  The whole point is that words have histories.  This has nothing to do with racial guilt, affirmative action, or anything like that--it's just a statement about the connotations of words.

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I just started thinking if there are any words that offend the whites to such a degree.  Probably Natzi would be one.


Calling someone a faggot might do it.



You're probably right.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 4:08:34 PM   
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Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate this day.


Thanks! And to you too, Rosa!

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 5:13:55 PM   
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I haven't seen what was said and I haven't really got much interest in seeing it but what I notice is the idealistic nonsense being posted, at least in the last page or two of this thread.

Of course you have no interest, so why bother adding comment.

Someone even says that white people have not experienced discrimination to the extent that black people have.
What a load of old tosh. Surely Collarme is not populated by graduates of the Sociology depts of so called higher education. It sounds like it to me.

White working class people have been cannon fodder throughout the ages, have done all the dirty work for minimum wages and less and have lived in poverty and squalor, frequently of their own making.

I happened to read about the conditions that Benny Goodman the jazz clarinettist endured as a child Total economic degradation in the Land of the Free. This is not an anti US diatribe, the same conditions existed in Europe in the 19th century.

Just thought I'd post that because its what I think !

PS dont berate me with slavery issue, I should worry more about the slavery that exists in parts of Africa today if I were you and the fact that the slaves were sold as such by the rulers in the 18th century African slave markets. Modern day Senegal was one. If you white middle class guilt trippers want to apportion blame, at least look at the whole issue of animosity across the racial and social divide.




PS, According to how you worded the above, you assume that my concerns for what goes on in my country, which is the USA negates my concerns of what's going on worldwide? Well, that's rather presumptuous.  In general, why is it when those that resent anyone having a problem with the issues at hand,  start pulling stuff out of ass left.  Just assumed the rest of us have no knowledge of the how where and why slavery came about?  If you don't care,  cool, but some of us do and will strongly make that clear when ever necessary.  So those that wish to keep living in a state of denial about the simple understandings that could join us instead of keeping us divided as a people do so if that makes your day, I do realize some revel in chaos. 

Its ok if you  wish to keep assuming what you wish just don't tell me what I should be concerned with.  I've seen your comments on similar issues in the past, this isn't news to me how you feel on this issue.  I get it, you don't like colored people. 

Rosa  

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 6:18:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's not discrimination.  They weren't treated that way because they were white.

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Someone even says that white people have not experienced discrimination to the extent that black people have.
What a load of old tosh. Surely Collarme is not populated by graduates of the Sociology depts of so called higher education. It sounds like it to me.

White working class people have been cannon fodder throughout the ages, have done all the dirty work for minimum wages and less and have lived in poverty and squalor, frequently of their own making.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 6:25:53 PM   
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Seinfeld 'sick' over 'Kramer's' slurs
From Associated Press
2:10 PM PST, November 20, 2006

A barrage of racial epithets unleashed by former "Seinfeld" star Michael Richards during a stand-up comedy routine drew condemnation from Richards' industry colleagues.

Comedian Paul Rodriguez, who was at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood on Friday when Richards responded to two black hecklers with the "n" word and profanities, said he was shocked by Richards' remarks.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-112006richards,0,7220628.story?coll=la-home-entertainment Richards is supposed to appear via video with Jerry Seinfeld on the David Letterman show tonight.


(Personally, I think instead of having Gibson spend 3 weeks apologizing to Jewish leaders and Richards hiring P.R. firms and apologizing to Sharpton and Jackson...they should just each spend the next couple months apologizing to each other for 8 hours a day)

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/23/2006 6:35:19 PM   
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I just started thinking if there are any words that offend the whites to such a degree.  Probably Natzi would be one.


Calling someone a faggot might do it.


(Or a Republican)

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 1:16:42 AM   
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That's not discrimination.  They weren't treated that way because they were white.

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Someone even says that white people have not experienced discrimination to the extent that black people have.
What a load of old tosh. Surely Collarme is not populated by graduates of the Sociology depts of so called higher education. It sounds like it to me.

White working class people have been cannon fodder throughout the ages, have done all the dirty work for minimum wages and less and have lived in poverty and squalor, frequently of their own making.



Discrimination is exactly what it is/was. Not based on race but on social class.
Whats the difference in principle.

RosaB: Regardless of what you believe  I have no preordained predjudice for any individual of any group or race. What I cant stand is the current one sided interpretation of, in particular, racial problems where everthing is the fault of whitey! I repeat: slavery exists in Africa today, Niger Sudan and  existed at the time of the Slave trade, facts conveniently under emphasised by Liberal bleeding hearts.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 3:11:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		It wasn't RACIAL discrimination.  Anyway, let me get this straight--it's OK to call black people niggers because poor whites suffered in the past too?

You realize that makes absolutely no sense, right?

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 4:57:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why is racial discrimination worse than class discrimination.? What an opportunity for you non thinking idealists.

I never advocated insulting anybody. It happens, we have all done it at one time or another, all probably received it too.If you wish to condemn it do it honestly and from all sides of the social/racial spectrum.

It still wont go away whatever you bleeding hearts do or think, seems it will make you FEEL better tho'

Just a second bite at the total emptiness of the above post. Lordandmaster tells me that something I never said makes no sense.L and M ,do you realise how ..... I hesitate now.... draw a deep breath and say...how stupid is that line of argueing.

Yes sir...plain stupid !

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 5:55:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW

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I just started thinking if there are any words that offend the whites to such a degree.  Probably Natzi would be one.


Calling someone a faggot might do it.


(Or a Republican)


Calling somebody a homosexual republican would probably be the worst thing you could ever call somebody as the two are so antithetical according to Monkeyboy's administration and a Republican controlled congress.

(thinks about all the lovely homosexual scandals of the past year in stalwarts of the Religious Right and the Republican party.)

Move along, nothing to see here.

Sinergy

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 7:20:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		All right, then what ARE you saying?  We're talking about why it was wrong for a comedian to call people niggers just because he was frustrated, and your comment is...that poor whites suffered in the past too?  What does one thing have to do with the other?

Many people of all races suffered in the past.
And it's still unacceptable to call people niggers.

End of story, no?

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Just a second bite at the total emptiness of the above post. Lordandmaster tells me that something I never said makes no sense.L and M ,do you realise how ..... I hesitate now.... draw a deep breath and say...how stupid is that line of argueing.

Yes sir...plain stupid !

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 8:06:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, one reason why I abhor racial discrimination is that people are making comments based on skin colour usually about a person or group that they do not have much knowledge of.  Some of the common questions/comments people make about me in life - 'I bet you make really good curries' (I actually dislike cooking and rarely eat a curry, I prefer Italian food!), How come you don't speak with an Indian accent (because I was born in Australia), why don't you go back to where you came from (well sure I can move back to Victoria if you insist).  The one comment that crushed me was when a guy at a pub said in response to my not wanting to talk further that I was 'nothing but a black bitch'.  Luckily I have a healthy sense of self but I must admit that that comment really knocked me for six at the time.

I can't begin to imagine how difficult it is to do stand up however I feel that letting his frustration bubble over into what seemed to be actual anger and saying what he said to the people in his audience crossed the line.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 8:28:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		What I am saying is that verbal abuse and nastiness is a universal phenomenon, all races do it, all social classes do it. In todays PC climate it is only when a white person crosses the line is a fuss made. When a black person does it is either ignored or patronised or excused. That is what I am saying.

Simple really...anybody care to tell me that what I have said is untrue ?

Ask unsophisticated Asians what they think of blacks. Anonymously if possible.. You Liberals might be in for a surprise.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 8:54:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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I just started thinking if there are any words that offend the whites to such a degree.  Probably Natzi would be one.


Calling someone a faggot might do it.


(Or a Republican)


Calling somebody a homosexual republican would probably be the worst thing you could ever call somebody as the two are so antithetical according to Monkeyboy's administration and a Republican controlled congress.

(thinks about all the lovely homosexual scandals of the past year in stalwarts of the Religious Right and the Republican party.)

Move along, nothing to see here.

Sinergy


Ah, but the Logcabin folks would disagree:
 
http://online.logcabin.org

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 9:27:19 AM   
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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 9:31:39 AM   
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You know what they say in show biz. ANY publicity is good publicity.


Meaning what? I ate too much yesterday, my brain isn't working well....

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