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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 9:45:46 AM

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Meaning, in a way, this is how you keep yourelf in the publics eye. For very well known people, negative publicity works as well as positive. Micheal Jackson records sold tons more when he was in the news for playing with little boys. Barbara Striesand tickets sold out when she made negative comments by cursing at the audience. Lets face it, we'd all sort of forget about these people if they kept to themselves and laid low.

I think people loved to be offended. They get to become excited and spread their own views around during conversations. The offence is fun to talk about and say, what a jerk! Or, I would never say that! Or See! I told you the government is corrupt! Or whatever. You'll then buy a barbara striesand ticket and hope to god she curses people out. lolololololol

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 9:48:12 AM

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lol sophia, I see. I do think you made a very valid point about people enjoying being "offended", as a way of expressing themselves.

I am extremely hard to offend, and I do make this promise: never shall I buy anything attached to Baba Streisand or Michael Jackson.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 9:54:02 AM

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uhhhhhhhhhhhhh... how 'bout the Dixie Chicks, Level. They okay?

<she asks, smiling sweetly>
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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 10:02:46 AM

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uhhhhhhhhhhhhh... how 'bout the Dixie Chicks, Level. They okay?

<she asks, smiling sweetly>
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I actually like the Chicks (except for that "Earl" song lol), though I disagree with them at times. I called my local shit-kicker station and told them they should put them back on the playlist, but I don't see that happening.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 10:19:03 AM

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Well...it WAS nice to see them on the American Music Awards the other night...

I'm just sooooooooo bad though; the guy I was so interested in recently is polar opposite to me politically (even more than just that he is rabidly-political and I hardly do more than read headlines…he listens to Limbaugh, I listen to NPR..), he was lecturing me for my lack of information; suggesting I read this book and that and saying if I just knew more I’d agree with him. I brought out Bill Maher’s book and asked him if he’d like to borrow it. He nearly went apoplectic! LOL

Okay, maybe I can be a brat…but only around the edges!

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 12:39:24 PM

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He listens to Limbaugh?? Ye gads.....

I have to admit, if I ever take a woman in the lifestyle again, there are books she will read, but I have a hunch my list is wider along the socio/political spectrum than this rabid reactionary neo-con you're speaking of.

I don't want a carbon copy of me, but I do demand a woman that can see varying points of view, and articulate her thoughts on them, without (much) rancorous ideology.

Anywho, I'm sorry it didn't work out for ya'll, bearlee.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 12:46:23 PM

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Isn't that the point of having a 'Master'; to learn and stretch? I'm quite a reader...it's just that, generally speaking, I'm not all that interested in politics. Let him teach me and give me someone of whom I can ask questions; and I'm in hog's heaven! The problems occur when one behaves as if his way is the ONLY way...I have trouble with that.

Of course, his OPINION may be 'my only way'...and I'm fine with that part, too! LOL

bear

PS...does this mean the woman you find so much delight in is NOT in 'the lifestyle'...awwwwwwwwwwwwwww !!!

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 12:58:47 PM

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What I am saying is that verbal abuse and nastiness is a universal phenomenon, all races do it, all social classes do it.

So is rape, pediphilia and a whole host of unacceptable behaviours, doesn't make them any more acceptable

In todays PC climate it is only when a white person crosses the line is a fuss made. When a black person does it is either ignored or patronised or excused. That is what I am saying.

Accepted by some, not everyone. It certainly isn't accepted by me nor patronised or excused by those I associate with. I've seen some blacks/whites that have even apologized for past negative comments and if you ever happen to watch any programs featuring progressive thinking black folk, you might catch some of the discussion on such topics where dialogs go on about such unacceptable behaviour and a call for it to halt. I guess the news stories of events where we cry out against such things fall on deaf ears.

Simple really...anybody care to tell me that what I have said is untrue ?

True sometimes, not always and even if it has been in the past, it shouldn't be as it is unacceptable from either side.

Ask unsophisticated Asians what they think of blacks. Anonymously if possible.. You Liberals might be in for a surprise.

Now this is what I mean about pulling things out of the left side of no where, you say you have no prejudiced feelings, but you keep tossing little bits of passively insulting comments out like the above, just a little dig here and there. I don't think people are unaware of how various cultures view blacks or how cats view dogs, what does that matter to topic? I mean we can sit here all day and go back to the sources of where some people developed a lot of thier views, and possibly end up blaming, guess who? I mean come on remember the education many received about black culture was based on jaded media sterio types, so it's so rediculas to go there. I mean damn, I once saw a news program where some people were asking the African visitors to show them thier tails. Gawd, the media is a mother. Besides depending on which Asians you are refering to at any given time, there's a history with some that go back to Africa as well and that's a whole nother can of worms. Yeah, this is sounding real stupid about right now. Bring Richards back on stage at least he wasn't hiding behind bull at that moment he was clear with what he felt.

My whole point about this Richard's thing isn't about a white man behaving badly, its about an individual indifference. I truly can understand your frustration in anything that is one sided, but I don't get the picture that the posters here are bleeding heart, feel guilty, do gooders. LAM a bleeding heart? You must be chitting me.

I hope anyone that sees or hears people of any ethnic group behave as Richard's did, will take the same stand against that behavior.

Rosa

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/24/2006 1:16:50 PM

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Isn't that the point of having a 'Master'; to learn and stretch? I'm quite a reader...it's just that, generally speaking, I'm not all that interested in politics. Let him teach me and give me someone of whom I can ask questions; and I'm in hog's heaven! The problems occur when one behaves as if his way is the ONLY way...I have trouble with that.

Of course, his OPINION may be 'my only way'...and I'm fine with that part, too! LOL

bear

PS...does this mean the woman you find so much delight in is NOT in 'the lifestyle'...awwwwwwwwwwwwwww !!!

I care deeply for a woman that is not in the lifestyle, but she knows I am, and is not freaked out by it lol. I have doubts as to whether she and I will end up together, so I'll be looking, one day....

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/25/2006 8:19:47 AM

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I watched the two hecklers on the "Today Show" the other day. Apparently they were part of a group of 20 people who came in late to the show. Richards made the first racial comment because the group was being loud, and it all continued from there. I don't condone what Richards did, but I also don't condone the idea that the hecklers be paid money for their "pain and suffering", as their lawyer is proposing.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/25/2006 12:55:28 PM

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I watched the two hecklers on the "Today Show" the other day. Apparently they were part of a group of 20 people who came in late to the show. Richards made the first racial comment because the group was being loud, and it all continued from there. I don't condone what Richards did, but I also don't condone the idea that the hecklers be paid money for their "pain and suffering", as their lawyer is proposing.

No, I don't think anyone deserves any money from this, either.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/25/2006 1:55:01 PM

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I agree. No one drove them into the theater.. they didn't have to yell back at him to get things started.. they could have decided to just quite it all and leave..like everyone else did.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/25/2006 4:07:40 PM

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I also agree, a lawsuit isn't warranted and I'm not sure it would have come up if Gloria Allred, hadn't come on to the scene.

Lotus, I am however curious about what you mean by the rest of your comment. Once again seems they are being blamed for the outburst. From my understanding of the events, those young men hadn't said one word to Richards, before he called them niggers and in turn they said shut up where upon the tirade continued from Richards mouth. Now girlfriend, you know darn well, you wouldn't stand for anyone calling you names and not saying something back, especially after you've laid down the digits for your drink. People lets get real, you mean to tell me, you just paid for your mimosa, beer, martini, etc. you are just going to get up and leave you drink, some of you folks need to stop perpetrating up in this place.

Yeah everyone is just going to turn the other cheek when some bozo starts yelling at you out of no where. Now just imaging the worst possible things he could call you, your mother, your father, your daughter, sibling or spouse, what would your knee jerk reaction be in that situation if you or the those with you were the recipient of a barrage of the worst nonstop most derogatory outburst you might think up (btw this isn't for a play scene for masochist, so stop fantasizing, you know who you are

) and for what, because you were just a little noisy? Sure, just pick up your wraps, walk daintily out the club never utter one single word. Uh huh. you might sit a moment, before deciding to just up and leave a club. At the very least you might say bug off. At my very worst, I might have said your jokes stink. Also do remember those guys were there with a group of friends and I'm sure they talked amongst the group to decide to leave. Yes, the best thing to do is leave which they did, maybe not as swiftly as some would have liked.

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I agree. No one drove them into the theater.. they didn't have to yell back at him to get things started.. they could have decided to just quite it all and leave..like everyone else did.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/26/2006 5:58:08 PM

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I repeat: slavery exists in Africa today, Niger Sudan and existed at the time of the Slave trade, facts conveniently under emphasised by Liberal bleeding hearts.

Hello A/all,

Curiously, the largest institutionalized slavery on the planet is not in Africa. Slavery is only really worthwhile unless there is a profit margin to be had by the slave holder. Africa does not really have the sorts of economy where slavery (except sex slavery to some extent) is worthwhile. It takes money to support a slave, hide them from the authorities, and keep them generally alive and working.

It is rife in South America and Asia. South America has it particularly in the large "plantations" (the Spanish word escapes me at the moment for a large landholder's holdings) where they run cattle and grow food. Poor people in the cities are convinced to board a bus to go work for a day, are plied with liquor, and end up on a farm hundreds (or thousands) of miles from home, and forced to work at minimal wages (so they think) to earn their money.

But everything the are provided by the landholder is considered something they have to pay for with the money they earn, so they can never earn enough to get out of "debt" with the landholder. Failure to do what they are told to do results in them disappearing, never to be seen again.

In Asia, you see slavery of this sort in factories making Nike shoes or clothes for Martha Stewart. They will tell CBS that it is a job, but the people are paid almost nothing and if they try to leave they conveniently disappear.

Then you have the sex trade in Thailand...

In one case this is slavery of hispanic on hispanic, in the other it is asian on asian.

Sorry to destroy your fantasy that liberal bleeding hearts not knowing anything about and never talking about slavery, although I do agree that when the slave trade (Triangle trade route era) existed in the 18th Century it was black on black, although it had been going on for centuries under the Persian monarchy's control.

I always find it curious when an African American takes a muslim name because "Arabs were better to African's than the white man" because it is so historically incorrect.

But that is just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/26/2006 7:16:41 PM

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Yes Rosa, if something is not to my liking.. I'd simply leave..an unfinished beverage isn't worth the aggravation. Then I'd go to the management and ask for my money back. What everyone ELSE is doing, I could care less. I fight my own battles.

If someone accosted me directly, you bet your bippy I'd be at his dressing room with his manager afterward.

But we are dealing with the hastiness of youth. They react first and think later. If they wanted to punish him, the way to do it is go through the channels of his manger and the house's manager. Both are going to loose money because of his actions. if no one said anything, THAT would be a great mistake..but you have to hit them in the pocket. It's all they understand. The smartest thing anyone did was whip out the cell phone an record the tirade. I wish they would show the whole thing in order.. first it's just the two guys heckling. now it's a group of 20 people entering late while being noisy about it. That boiles down to there was some kind of unnecessary disruption and that disruption should have been handled better.

Call me a name and I'll be nice as pie..while I'm burning their ass from behind the scenes. It'll show in their paycheck and future playbill.. if they get one.

I learned a long time ago that one must learn to fight smarter.. not harder.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/26/2006 7:54:03 PM

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But if Richor Pryor had said them...we wouldn't be having this conversation.

How fucked up is that?

Hmmm actually, I would. I don't like the "n" word coming out of anyone's mouth. That's why I don't listen to ganster rap, and I wasn't comfortable listening to Pryor, so I didn't.   There is enough of that crap going on in life, I don't need it in my entertainment.

There is, however, a difference in making comments within a stand up routine and making them during a tirade.

Richards was no longer doing his "act "at that point, he was mad and lashing out. And as for the guys calling him names, two wrongs don't make a right.  Even though they were reacting to the fact that even though they were trying to leave, he was still after them, that is when they stopped and showed they can be just as ignorant.   Good job!

I get mad all the time and I have a mighty arsenal of names to call people without using racial remarks.

They were both wrong.

Just the way I look at things.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/26/2006 8:30:34 PM

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I can condemn Richards's outburst without defending the actions of the people who prompted it.

You're talking as though all things are black or white. Either I condone what he did, or I'm a hypocrite. Either they were sitting there quietly minding their own business, or his racist outburst was justified. Ethical problems are a little more complicated than that, you know.

My point EXACTLY. Ethical problems aren't a black and white issue......so America has NO right to demand this comedian's head on a platter for saying "nigger", after heavy provocation aimed straight at his source of livelihood, and the ethical ambiguity already present in the realm of stand-up comedy.

If the use of that word was all he did, and if he'd said it as a joke, I don't believe there would have been as much outrage. Personally, you've used that word at least 3 times too much for my liking. I'm Black and I don't use it, and I make sure that people in my hearing who do use it know that I don't like it. It holds negative connotations for me, and I will not allow it to be a part of my vocabulary.

That's just one thing. I hope you recognize that the offense was not simply his hateful use of that word, but the totality of his tirade. He referenced lynching, which is not so distant that we don't know what it means. He referenced sodomizing the man with a fork [Louima comes to mind with the broom handle puncturing his rectum]. These were not jesting comments, they were serious references to some of the lowest times of America's history. I won't lighten up and take it as a joke. I won't take it as justified or provoked because most everyone knows that stand up comics get heckled. A comic learns how to silence the hecklers without offending an entire race of people. Furthermore, Michael Richards proceeded to rail against other patrons, calling them MFs, etc.

More than anything, this thread makes me incredibly sad and for the first time, I feel like I am different, maybe not even welcome on this site. That is what racism does -- it creates breaches that are hard to span.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/26/2006 8:42:56 PM

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I watched the two hecklers on the "Today Show" the other day. Apparently they were part of a group of 20 people who came in late to the show. Richards made the first racial comment because the group was being loud, and it all continued from there. I don't condone what Richards did, but I also don't condone the idea that the hecklers be paid money for their "pain and suffering", as their lawyer is proposing.

I think trying to get money is bullshit. I also, think people that use that pain and suffering crap, for simple words, are p***ies. Also, I can pretty much bet they didn't call that lawyer...I have a feeling she was on the phone to them before they stepped one toe outside the club...lol

Ever notice that same lawyer seems to be "right there" when anything in the news happens? (oh great, now I"m Andy Rooney....LOL) Number one I wouldn't interrupt someone's "act" (for lack of a better word), and second if it sucked that much, I would've simply asked for my money back.

People have the right to say whatever they please, no matter how stupid.

Actually, as I read in an earlier thread, class and money have just as many bigots. The Kennedy's were discriminated against because they were catholic, they had to change cities to get away from it, and found that you simply can't run from it. They still were rejected in their new town.

And for that fact if O.J. didn't have the money he has you think we'd be looking at his ignorant ass right now? He'd be in jail being someone's bitch never heard from again.....

My point: there will always be someone that has something against somebody....just roll your eyes and move on.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/26/2006 8:51:57 PM

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More than anything, this thread makes me incredibly sad and for the first time, I feel like I am different, maybe not even welcome on this site. That is what racism does -- it creates breaches that are hard to span.

I understand what you are saying, but I really wouldn't let anyone run me off if I honestly liked the site. If you read the posts, there are only about two people out of many that were more on the negative, and they are probably just doing it for arguements sake. What about everyone else? I've made many friends on this site, and hope to make many more. The people here are wonderful. Not going to let a few sad people ruin it for me.

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RE: Kramer goes ballistic - 11/27/2006 4:31:34 AM

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Out burst are a part of life. They happen when you become desperate and find yourself loosing everything you once had. Anger is known to take over. Kramer was hoping to make movies as well as more MTV guest appearances and not end up back in Stand Up Comedy.

Failure is not an excuse but I see where he's coming from. He was not being funny and got picked on about it. So he made a stand and got even more laughed at about that than his own act. It's good that he appologized and now he just needs to let his actions go. Other wise, this outburst will be all that he's remembered for. With the holiday seasons now up, let's be thankfull that he didn't cause a riot.

Being that his first appology was on David Letterman, I smell that he's trying to get a little publicity/notoriety out of the event much like Mel Gibsons "I'm Sorry" on every other chanel I turned.

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