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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/2/2006 5:54:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		We in the west are fortunate enough to live in a society of such abundance that one can still live well if one chooses not to join in the rat race and sell ones soul for the next new electronic gadget or the next new car. It is not a matter of being a bohemian but more a case of farting in the face of capitalism and simply write or paint or play music or whatever one wants to do. There are enough idiots who think materialism is the whole point of living that will keep the whole place afloat and they will look at you scratching an image on a piece of paper and think THEY are living well. So to all would be bohemians, let the idiot masses carry on thinking that they have it made and in the meantime you indulge in the sensual experience that is life.

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/2/2006 6:53:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mgdartist

from a review of the aforementioned book by Toole:

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...we have enslaved ourselves with the concept that everyone must work. We cannot allow those of us who wish to be free spirits and artists to live out their dreams, or--if they should choose either of these paths--they are to be frowned upon and we should attempt to "repair" them into to conformity (asylums are mentioned several times throughout the book. Resistance to conformity to middle class society is punished by placing the offenders into the asylums; Toole suggest that those who we, as a society, consider mad may not be insane at all, but rather, they are those who cannot live with the insanity of our society).
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=406921


interesting. wonder why he then punched his own ticket?


I take it you have not actually read the book. 

Maybe he killed himself because he could not deal with the heartbreak of psoriasis?

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/2/2006 2:11:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: mgdartist

from a review of the aforementioned book by Toole:

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...we have enslaved ourselves with the concept that everyone must work. We cannot allow those of us who wish to be free spirits and artists to live out their dreams, or--if they should choose either of these paths--they are to be frowned upon and we should attempt to "repair" them into to conformity (asylums are mentioned several times throughout the book. Resistance to conformity to middle class society is punished by placing the offenders into the asylums; Toole suggest that those who we, as a society, consider mad may not be insane at all, but rather, they are those who cannot live with the insanity of our society).
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=406921


interesting. wonder why he then punched his own ticket?


We proles must know our place, and learn to like it. This is the natural order of things, whereby our entire being, mind, body and soul is turned away from foolishness to its true application of upholding, celebrating and extending that natural order which keeps us in our place, and our betters exalted over us.

Those who cannot accept this natural order, having instead chosen by wilful non-conformance to dedicate their being to some unnatural order, must find themselves liable to retribution, for the natural order itself and those who have learned to accept their place within it, must destroy that which would oppose.

The outcome can be a cure, whereby the errant being is made aware of its previous fault and accepts its place, or its total destruction through ongoing resistance to the natural order, which can be actively or passively accomplished.

But the most dangerous of errant beings, are they who assume a semblance of acceptance such that their destruction is not pursued, whilst also undermining that natural order in which they dwell. Such are thinkers, writers and artists.

E


Sigh...
And you honestly expect me to buy all that? Luckily I've been made aware of your natural duality, and excess intellect,  thus affirming your actual ambivalence to such pontifications, albeit easily spilling from your keyboard. So I'm gonna let this one slide by, and suggest the need perhaps you join the avant-garde, instead of denigrating us, seeing how you're so obviously qualified. Your drivel about "the natural order of things" notwithstanding.
<grin>

to Sinergy:
no.
I have a deep seated mistrust for writers, and admittedly am overly impressionable.
A single novel can fill my mind with the babble of another for weeks, obfuscating any revelation or  epiphany I might have had. Besides, the e-book wasn't available for DL on any BT tracker, and while I might consider allowing the profound thoughts of such a suicidal man mix with my own, since he hailed from my home state, I'll be damned if I'll pay, or have to search my local library to take such a risk.
lol


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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/2/2006 5:56:56 PM   
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to Sinergy:
no.
I have a deep seated mistrust for writers, and admittedly am overly impressionable.
A single novel can fill my mind with the babble of another for weeks, obfuscating any revelation or  epiphany I might have had. Besides, the e-book wasn't available for DL on any BT tracker, and while I might consider allowing the profound thoughts of such a suicidal man mix with my own, since he hailed from my home state, I'll be damned if I'll pay, or have to search my local library to take such a risk.
lol



To each their own.  I found his book to be an extremely humorous look at the extremes to which a person can go to in search of the ideals the book review talked about.

What I found after reading about the misadventures and philosophies of Ignatius J. Reilly in this book is that I could not really tell whether he was more normal than all the people who acted like normal human beings in the book.

Biographers consider his suicide to be due to depression and confusion about his sexual identity.

http://www.biblio.com/authors/103/John_Kennedy_Toole_Biography.html

I find it odd that you would consider his work published 8 years prior to his suicide to be "profound thoughts of a suicidal man" but if that works for you, I say go for it.

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/2/2006 6:57:15 PM   
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But as I am a myopic artist, between the work, my penchant for the pc, and intarweb,
reading is additional eyestrain, therefore optional at best, in addition to the excuses I gave previous.
Surprised I can even still see sometimes man...

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/2/2006 7:09:06 PM   
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It's a damn shame that so many women are so sold on the idea that ALL men are into large breasts, when it's simply not true. So many needless breast implantation surgeries, when frankly, I think most women with implants looked better before they got them. There are more women who would benefit from breast reduction than elargement, in my opinion.

To each his own, but I just don't get the obsession some guys have with breasts.

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 5:40:13 AM   
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Sigh...
And you honestly expect me to buy all that? Luckily I've been made aware of your natural duality, and excess intellect,  thus affirming your actual ambivalence to such pontifications, albeit easily spilling from your keyboard. So I'm gonna let this one slide by, and suggest the need perhaps you join the avant-garde, instead of denigrating us, seeing how you're so obviously qualified. Your drivel about "the natural order of things" notwithstanding.
<grin>



I'm genuinely surprised that you dont recognise the caustic wit in the above, but then it is words rather than a pretty picture I guess..... I really also dont understand where you get the idea that I wish to or do denigrate artists, of all descriptions. But then there is my excess intellect to take into account.

Without boasting, when I was in my teens I could write - and I mean really write; I had possessed imagination, inspiration and the ability to produce some seriously good stuff - proper literature mind, not the crap on sale in airports and to be found in the top ten bestseller list of stuff you read before under a different title with sex on every other page to make it appealing to the sedated masses.

However, such an ability coming up against a father who, being long since sedated if ever he was aware of the world, is not a happy combination. My father was simply unable to accept that my entire purpose and role in life was not to join the braindead masses, and that maybe, just maybe I knew what I might want to do in life. As the eldest of a family of 6 children by then, there was neither money for me to go to university, though I had a place, nor money for me to be able to indulge my ability.

My value to the world, it was made clear, was purely in terms of my ability to raise revenue. Indeed, this also was the view of government. Thus I was forced to join the natural order, by which it was assumed I could be crushed into the right sort of peg to fit into the holes available. And it might have worked, except that I would not allow it to work. Many pitched battles with bosses who could not handle someone able to think for themselves and not possible to fit into neat categories followed. I hated every minute of it, and yet survived it almost unscathed.

The only means it seemed, of keeping the natural order happy whilst also being able to survive much longer the brain death being daily pressed against me, was to make my own business. I am now running a multi-national, but via those who are happy to live the sedated life which the natural order requires. After all, one must work simply in order to live, and if some are happy to live in order to work, then far be it for me to hinder them. In the meantime I can now try to recover that which has so long been repressed, I hope.

Perhaps this explains why I commented in the way I did. Perhaps it does not - there is my excess intellect to consider, after all. Avant garde is such a relative term too, dont you think? I feel that the forlorn hope, being far ahead of the avant garde, is where I am at home, but then there is my arrogance to take into account.

E

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 10:14:39 AM   
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Before going to college and study design, I had (all my life) a constant flow of incredible inspiration to create all sorts of pieces (paintings, drawings, theatrical plays, written stories, short movies... you name it). When I passed my second year in college I realized this inspiration was gone. Most of my childhood and teenage years I was a very strange, not very social and very apathic girl, so to me life sucked in many ways. Art was a way for me to express my discontent, specially discontent towards society and the educational system. I had my inspiration taken and put on canvas from my anger. Now that life seems to not suck at all, I have low inspiration and no need to make art.

For many artists, the use of alcohol and drugs gives them a light sensation of creativity (I know this by experience) for 5 seconds. And being violent gives them a reason to be discontent towards whatever and have a little of inspiration, specially if they are in the art market and make art under pressure.



gretchenS, I suspect that perhaps your inspiration could have been fuelled again recently by the "pinguin" protests?  lol


LOL...

Nah.... not really

What pissed me off was getting soak wet by the always so respectful Carabineros de Chile and their very famous "Guanaco" device while happily walking on Alameda Street in my way to work...

I could make a documentary with that, but as you may already know, that will pissed off too many people from both sides...LOL

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 10:52:05 AM   
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If you fail to deliver saleable items to your dealer, on time, you are dropped quicker than a hot iron and there is no fall back position. If you don't create a customer base (against contract and independant of a dealer) and have to rely on a dealer, you are literally as good as your last exhibition which is a very weak position to be in, the dealer literally has you by the short and curlies. Hell, that pisses me off without getting angry at the world.



Sadly, I agree with you on this.

I wanted so badly to study film making, but in Chile, the film industry and education is poor and if you want to make a film you have to shoot it with your own money (never happened) or the State gives you the money, but your project must be fit with their standards, which, of course, limits your creativity and puts you in a very stressing situation, trying to make the State content and also the audience with your own vision of the world. Happens the same with other artistic areas.

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 11:30:27 AM   
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..... I really also dont understand where you get the idea that I wish to or do denigrate artists, of all descriptions.


What about denigrating masochist artists like myself?...  (Can't be bad and it might be a good source of inspiration)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Perhaps this explains why I commented in the way I did. Perhaps it does not - there is my excess intellect to consider, after all. Avant garde is such a relative term too, dont you think? I feel that the forlorn hope, being far ahead of the avant garde, is where I am at home, but then there is my arrogance to take into account.

E


I don't see arrogance in what you post, I just see direct and honest statements of a person who has a sensitive and practical vision of how things are in reality. You have a writting skill that lets you clarify this vision. Everybody has visions (all the time or time to time) that are by all means Avant-garde. But in terms of practice and technics, the term Avant-garde died log time ago with WW2. This is why I agree when you say that Avant-garde is a relative term. We all have our own thoughts, but thoughts are very subjective.


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What exactly the fuck does this all have to do with women's tits?


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Maybe we can make an hipothesis on why did Barroque artists paint women with small breasts and large asses... and why did pop artists paint pin-ups with very generous breasts and the ass was no longer that important?.... Maybe it got something to do with the quality of the wine/schnapps they were drinking and the amount of opium/heroin they were consuming at the time?





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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 11:53:58 AM   
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Maybe we can make an hipothesis on why did Barroque artists paint women with small breasts and large asses... and why did pop artists paint pin-ups with very generous breasts and the ass was no longer that important?.... Maybe it got something to do with the quality of the wine/schnapps they were drinking and the amount of opium/heroin they were consuming at the time?



Apparently the image of Marilyn Monroe that Warhol uses in his screenprints is so popular because pouting lips, a thickening and a closing of the eylids means she is on the edge of climax. Hence any woman who has these features will apparently be attractive to men.

If you are implying gretchen that Baroque artists painted women with small tits and big arses because they found them attractive, I'm with you on this. The history of art and particularly the history of the nude in art, tells us a lot about what fashionable beauty was at the time and what men got their rocks off to.

When men say I don't care about what a woman looks like, the size of her tits the shape of her arse etc. and that they are just interested in a woman's personality, I tend to yawn and roll my eyes. While having a long term partner, personality would be a key factor in ones ability to co-exist with someone, the dismissal of physical attractiveness goes against all the research in what the sexes look for in a possible partner that might be worth procreating with.

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 1:16:57 PM   
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Apparently the image of Marilyn Monroe that Warhol uses in his screenprints is so popular because pouting lips, a thickening and a closing of the eylids means she is on the edge of climax. Hence any woman who has these features will apparently be attractive to men.


This is actually a theory, and was quite true (I know this cuz I attended my Theory of Arts class like a good girl). He was trying to make a point on what really turns a man on, even if they state that personality is more important. At the time, nobody could actually say that Marilyn Monroe was a funny, interesting and smart person, and no one really cared, as long as she had a very low cleavege. Also, take in consideration than Warhol's  Marilyns were more expensive than Warhol's Liz Taylors... Go figure...


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If you are implying gretchen that Baroque artists painted women with small tits and big arses because they found them attractive, I'm with you on this. The history of art and particularly the history of the nude in art, tells us a lot about what fashionable beauty was at the time and what men got their rocks off to.


I was totally implying that and also the fact that as Baroque artists, they painted opulance as a sign of wealth and excess of luxuries. The lack of titty shows us that maternity was not something painters or viewers considered as refined. Now, the excesive asses and bellies shows us how well they ate, what a wonderful time they were having in their laziness, and how rich that moment in History was, when being part of the royal families meant to be around beauty, which, of course, meant opulance. (All this before the french revolution and the romanticism tendencies)

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When men say I don't care about what a woman looks like, the size of her tits the shape of her arse etc. and that they are just interested in a woman's personality, I tend to yawn and roll my eyes. While having a long term partner, personality would be a key factor in ones ability to co-exist with someone, the dismissal of physical attractiveness goes against all the research in what the sexes look for in a possible partner that might be worth procreating with.


Atractiveness goes along with the natural instinct of procreation. I agree. A good pair of tits must be proportional to the size of the hips and all that stuff. Big shoulders and tiny butts are the female preference with men. It's nature what hits in a first atraction momento. I believe this is true. I rather not follow it though...

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 2:15:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's interesting to me that not much has been written with regard to the nipple. While I am attracted the small breasted woman, the nipple is the key. I love them when they become hard and excitable. Women with long perky nipples are very sexy to me. Of course breast play is also part of the sexual experience and as has been written when a woman responds to breast play that is indeed a big turn on.

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 3:25:48 PM   
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We in the west are fortunate enough to live in a society of such abundance that one can still live well if one chooses not to join in the rat race and sell ones soul for the next new electronic gadget or the next new car. It is not a matter of being a bohemian but more a case of farting in the face of capitalism and simply write or paint or play music or whatever one wants to do. There are enough idiots who think materialism is the whole point of living that will keep the whole place afloat and they will look at you scratching an image on a piece of paper and think THEY are living well. So to all would be bohemians, let the idiot masses carry on thinking that they have it made and in the meantime you indulge in the sensual experience that is life.


Excuse me...but this original discussion was about tits.

(I would VERY much appreciate it if we got back to the topic at hand).
 
Hmmmmmmmm?

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 3:32:37 PM   
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Excuse me...but this original discussion was about tits.

(I would VERY much appreciate it if we got back to the topic at hand).
 
Hmmmmmmmm?


Eer..oops...sorry....I tripped over a soap box.

Which reminds me, and just to get back on topic, when my lady friend stands on a soap box my face fits snuggly between her tits.

*nothing like being subject to a good tit slap.*

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 3:52:37 PM   
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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 7:27:06 PM   
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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 8:18:50 PM   
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If you are implying gretchen that Baroque artists painted women with small tits and big arses because they found them attractive, I'm with you on this. The history of art and particularly the history of the nude in art, tells us a lot about what fashionable beauty was at the time and what men got their rocks off to.



What always fascinates me about discussions about Baroque artists painting women who were, umm, Rubenesque (small tits, some meat on her bones, large behinds) is that people tend to portray the simply physical attributes to be what the person found beautiful.

These sorts of women were considered beautiful during that time period because they had enough to eat, were considered high class, no obvious scars, no dishpan hands, etc.

Size 2 waifs have become attractive in the modern world partially because of the widespread beliefs in the health hazards of obesity, as well as the health benefits of exercise.

These biases exist within the context of their times...

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 8:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I like about little tits and big asses, is that you you can pound it in there and they may actually back into it, and the tits don't fall off if you rough em up a little.  Pretty good squirt in my estimation.

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RE: OK MEN, I WANT THE TRUTH! - 12/3/2006 9:05:16 PM   
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