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RE: If all the protocols ceased to exist.... - 11/30/2006 6:00:49 AM

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I think I see where you are going with this because as I have said so often I knew that there was something about me long before I had words to describe what I was feeling. I knew that the things I envisioned were an intricate part of me long before I knew there were others that felt these things. I wasn't drawn to imagery because there really wasn't any to be found. I didn't find out about kinks, fetishes, toys, serves, terms or any of this until much later but it was almost as if I was suffering amnesia... the more I experienced, the more I discovered it all seemed to come to me as familiar as things I have always known.

These things (& vast others not mentioned) you have referred to as protocol are not universally recognized or practiced by everyone who is part of this community as a whole. Even though we as a whole do not follow a text book guide of protocols... these protocols we adapt for our own unique dynamic are important to us even if considered ridiculous or unnecessary by others. So yes, if protocols I adhere to suddenly vanished I would most likely sense an uncomfortable void but this would be resolved very quickly because my dominance is my natural energy & within the very core of my being & submission is in the very core of my girl... we will find subtle ways to physically, verbally & outwardly express this to one another & these expressions would be our new protocols to one another.

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RE: If all the protocols ceased to exist.... - 11/30/2006 7:09:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: TemptingNviceSub

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ORIGINAL: Zensee

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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

If I understand what you are saying is, the way you know you have a relationship is by constantly demonstrating the dynamics of the relationship through a chosen set of actions which reflect your desires. And, if there is no demonstration you will be unaware that the relationship exists.

Is that right?

Thank you for asking and not just judging, MissTress. It is my fault for choosing an analogy to illustrate an inponderable.

As above so below - as within so without. The rituals without intent are hollow. The intent without expression is mute.

The short answer is - Yes and No. I am saying that without expression, what's the point of calling it D/s or even a relationship? Why not call it Fred? (With apologies to all the Freds out there.)

An artist without a medium is still an artist but where's the art?

MoE's original question is really unanswerable because the two cannot be separated, not even conceptually, as we can see from some replies here. A person says the protocols don't have any real significance then describes a protocol they have which they claim isn't one. If there is no word or gesture accompanying the act then that is still protocol, a ritual of wordless obedience. Any act which recognises the existence of a D/s dynamic IS protocol, however casual it may appear. Every act is infused with meaning.

Q: when does an act become a ritual? A: When one says so.

Z.

This analogy I have to agree with....Tempting

A much more interesting...and intriguing way of expressing what I and several others, have said in our posts.

You can wake up tomorrow and all the protocols could be gone...and you would still respond to his dominance with your submissive manner...and he would respond to your submission with his dominant manner. But the expression of that dominance and submission is a protocol...self-contained and relevant only to the you two as a couple maybe...but still a protocol. How would you know? Perhaps the minute you did not submit to something in the same way you usually do and he calls you on it.

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RE: If all the protocols ceased to exist.... - 11/30/2006 8:58:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: Zensee
Thank you for asking and not just judging, MissTress. It is my fault for choosing an analogy to illustrate an inponderable.

As above so below - as within so without. The rituals without intent are hollow. The intent without expression is mute.

The short answer is - Yes and No. I am saying that without expression, what's the point of calling it D/s or even a relationship? Why not call it Fred? (With apologies to all the Freds out there.)

An artist without a medium is still an artist but where's the art?

MoE's original question is really unanswerable because the two cannot be separated, not even conceptually, as we can see from some replies here. A person says the protocols don't have any real significance then describes a protocol they have which they claim isn't one. If there is no word or gesture accompanying the act then that is still protocol, a ritual of wordless obedience. Any act which recognises the existence of a D/s dynamic IS protocol, however casual it may appear. Every act is infused with meaning.

Q: when does an act become a ritual? A: When one says so.

Z.

Thank you for your explanation, very well expressed.

My sub and I do not use high protocol in our everyday lives. In fact, we only use it as a part of a scene or during a lifestyle event that would require it. We do however act towards and react to one another in a certain manner or style which, as Archer so eloquently explained, is protocol regardless of the D/s nature of our relationship.
She is submissive by nature as I am dominant by nature. as our relationship grows and evolves so does the way in which we relate to one another but our innate desires and tendencies remain constant.
So, my answer to the O/P's question is this: We would still be who we are, and simply find new ways to express ourselves.

< Message edited by yourMissTress -- 11/30/2006 8:59:08 AM >

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