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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 11/30/2006 4:08:22 PM

LaTigresse

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Well fine then, be that way.

You can wade thru snow in subzero temperatures and I will lounge on white sand beaches drinking ......something yummy and cold that I cannot think of right now.........being served by comely naked slave girls.

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 11/30/2006 4:10:55 PM

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Do you remember Shadaroba by Roy Orbison? I am going to think of that song now, because of you......i never stray too far from the sidewalk. Or maybe Ahab the Arab by Ray Stevens..............

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 11/30/2006 9:43:37 PM

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I am kinda responding to the OP here. Where should we stand ? We should stand here, ready to vanquish any aggressor to our land. We should be ready to fight to the last Man to defend our homeland against any invaders or threats. In other words NORAD should have worked, and 9/11 would never have happened.

We should always be ready to deal with threats, no matter what you have, from a tommy gun down to a roll of duct tape. The main problem is that US Citizens have no solidarity whatsoever. None, I am serious. That's why they no longer put front porches on houses here, isolation. They have even manipulated the population into desiring isolation, that by over-reporting crime, and not giving some math basis. For example, they tell you that "whatever" happens every eleven seconds, but there are 300,000,000 people here.

This makes people paranoid and willing to accept more govt restrictions, better for them worse for us. They created the terror threat by pushing the Arabs around. If we are so adamant to install a democracy in Iraq, why not other Arab nations ?

The answer is clear, they are friendly to our regime. The Founding Hathers of this nation would be aghast, amd I think that is an understatement. Where should we stand ?

On our own soil, the land of our families and hopes and dreams for the future. The land we love because we are depemdent upon it for our future and progeny. Yet it is not defended. Put it this way, 9/11 happened, and that means our defense is deficient. It happened, that means the defense did not work. No wonder there are so many people asking questions, among them conspiracy theorists yes, but the questions can get quite poigniant. (sp)

Where should we stand ? Certainly not ½ way around the world playing police. Case closed. People used to say love it or leave it, well, to counter that I say love what it is supposed to be and try to change it for the better, but I am certainly not leaving. Even if I have to put a bullet in your head.

This country has got to start doing what it is supposed to do, and soon.

Really, I don't know all the answers, I have no idea how to get us out of the morass of shit in the middle east. But the first step is always to step back, whether to regroup or retreat, it matters not.

Friendly trade with all, alliances with none. That is what the Founding Fathers said.

Really though, if that had been adhered to, history would've went quite differently. And think seriously now, do we want that ?

T

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 11/30/2006 10:02:14 PM

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I am going to post this on Lam as an extension of agreement.
I know this is tired and worn-out shit, but it holds true for the governments of religion as well as the temporal governments, since religion has been worming it's way into the power pyramid since christ was a corporal:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Ron

Tired and worn out?

It seems to me that the average Joe hasn't taken the time to either read it, comprehend the concept, or apply the concept to numerous examples of prior wars.

Glad to see the quote, and wouldn't mind seeing it so often that it finally starts to sink in to the masses. Maybe we wouldn't see so much of the mindless flag-waving when the powers-that-be of the USA attack the next fabricated boogeyman.

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 11/30/2006 10:15:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am going to post this on Lam as an extension of agreement.
I know this is tired and worn-out shit, but it holds true for the governments of religion as well as the temporal governments, since religion has been worming it's way into the power pyramid since christ was a corporal:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Ron

Tired and worn out?

It seems to me that the average Joe hasn't taken the time to either read it, comprehend the concept, or apply the concept to numerous examples of prior wars.

Glad to see the quote, and wouldn't mind seeing it so often that it finally starts to sink in to the masses. Maybe we wouldn't see so much of the mindless flag-waving when the powers-that-be of the USA attack the next fabricated boogeyman.

How true....and sad so many can't learn from history.

Here's one from Goebbels that I really like :

''The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principal is born in mind….constantly. It must confine itself to a few points…and repeat them over and over and over…..''

- R

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 2:10:36 AM

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the story from "smokey mountain" is silly as it assumes that this particular "imam" represents all of followers of Allah, Sunni and Shiite Muslims, which is a gran assumption to make. It is as if saying that Hitler represents all Germans....an incredible ridicolous assumption....
MistressSofia, you might be surprised, but the US is not the only flag that has the colors of red, white and blue...(France, Chile, etc)...and I stand as a human being first, nationality should have little to do with how you view a religion in particular, as that is enclosing oneself in dogma, and that can lead to closing oneself to ignorance and the "herd" mentality. I stand with those who are sane and want a better life, whether Roman Ctaholic, Protestant, Muslim or Jewish, of any nationality.

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 2:16:01 AM

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subfever and UtopianRanger, very interesting, those quotes from the propaganda reichsminister Gobbels...I guess he was a clasist and elitist little murderous bureaucrat after all....

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 2:23:20 AM

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Yep. The Nazis didn't win WWII but how ironic we've had fascists in power ever since.

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 3:47:56 AM

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As Americans, you should all learn to stand in queues and wait your turn.

You dont catch us Brits jostling and shouting.

Disgraceful

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 4:01:18 AM

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I dont think prisoner rights is on the agenda.

I understand prisoner treatment in the US is no country club.

The USA needs to recommit to treaties- international agreements- and assure the world that we are no longer a loose cannon.

I get so angry at so called presidential debates. Let popeye ask teh questions! unscripted unrehearsed.

Lou dobbs had a frieghtening idea on last night. just as EU has the Euro, there are thoughts of a north american commen currency called the Amero

Dotn forget- we seen big money collapse currencies of many countries. think.

we are so going to pay for the bush years!

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 8:08:28 AM

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MY BLOOD IS RED WHITE AND BLUE.

.......in that case i should go see a doctor if i were you......it's generally meant to be just red.

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 11:11:44 AM

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"East is East and West is West and n'er the twain shall meet."
In my humble opinion islam just doesn't and can't work in Western countries.Look at all the problems they're having in Europe.
I don't understand why Western countries think they need all this immigration anyway.
If it's so "good" why aren't China, India, and Japan doing it?
The same goes for "diversity".
Oh sure, let's mix a bunch of people together who have absolutely nothing in common and see what happens!
All this "diversity" B.S. is turning Western countries into towers of babel.
It's a natural, normal and healthy thing for people to want to be around other people like themselves and who they have things in common with.
What if I started a religion that stated that parisioners had to kill 25 muslims each in the first two years of joining the church?
Would that be "ok" with muslims?

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 1:04:33 PM

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... I don't understand why Western countries think they need all this immigration anyway. If it's so "good" why aren't China, India, and Japan doing it?

The same goes for "diversity". Oh sure, let's mix a bunch of people together who have absolutely nothing in common and see what happens! All this "diversity" B.S. is turning Western countries into towers of babel.

It's a natural, normal and healthy thing for people to want to be around other people like themselves and who they have things in common with...

It may be natural, but it also works against the Elite's long-range objective of a one-world currency and government.

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 2:23:24 PM

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It may be natural, but it also works against the Elite's long-range objective of a one-world currency and government.

Elite?

How about this - we are all the same species and we all live on the same planet. WFT is elite about that?

Sure we have instinctual programming against the other but we are also intelligent beings. Surely we mustdo better than retreating to tribalism.

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 2:27:08 PM

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As Americans, you should all learn to stand in queues and wait your turn.

You dont catch us Brits jostling and shouting.

Disgraceful

E

You must be the ONLY Brit to have never been to one of your futbol games ;-P

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 2:43:01 PM

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You must be the ONLY Brit to have never been to one of your futbol games ;-P

You must be mistaken - those are not the British, but an entirely different people called the Hooligans. No relation.

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 3:43:51 PM

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You must be the ONLY Brit to have never been to one of your futbol games ;-P

You must be mistaken - those are not the British, but an entirely different people called the Hooligans. No relation.

OOOH! Careful SM! The word Hooligan is derived from a derogatory English term for Irish people - I take it from the name thats pronounced Hoolahann (but probably spelt Gdskpaljuie in that bizarre Irish spelling system they have).

I've only been to one football game (soccer to you lot); the last game at the magnificent old Wembley Stadium, between England and France. England lost 0-2 I think. But youre right, I wouldnt normally choose to go watch a match - the highlights on TV are much more manageable, and this match I saw only 3/4 of as it was a business entertainment thing for clients. I have to say though, that on that occasion the police crowd control was very good and there was no jostling at all.

In fact the only trouble was from the French fans, who having won the world cup at that time were chanting "Champions du monde" (world champions). They didnt seem to like me shouting "Champignons de merde?" (shit mushrooms) back at them. Never mind eh? They're only French.
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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 4:13:49 PM

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Thank you kindly for the enlightenment as to the origins and context of the term "Hooligan". In Germany (yes, to me lot -by birth- is not soccer but Fussball), the term was always used synonymously with any type of sports fanatical rowdies, trouble-makers and hell-raisers (the bad kind, that is).

After suffering a childhood of being at football stadium every weekend with my dad, I am more of a casual spectator myself - a World Cup every four years is just the perfect dose for me!

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 4:35:31 PM

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It may be natural, but it also works against the Elite's long-range objective of a one-world currency and government.

Elite?

How about this - we are all the same species and we all live on the same planet. WFT is elite about that?

Sure we have instinctual programming against the other but we are also intelligent beings. Surely we mustdo better than retreating to tribalism.

Z.

Zensee, I think subfever meant the Mega-Wealthy when he said "Elite."

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RE: AS AMERICANS WHERE DO /SHOULD WE STAND? - 12/1/2006 6:01:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zensee

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ORIGINAL: subfever

It may be natural, but it also works against the Elite's long-range objective of a one-world currency and government.

Elite?

How about this - we are all the same species and we all live on the same planet. WFT is elite about that?

Sure we have instinctual programming against the other but we are also intelligent beings. Surely we mustdo better than retreating to tribalism.

Z.

Zensee, I think subfever meant the Mega-Wealthy when he said "Elite."

Bingo! ...

Maybe I shouldn't have capitalized "elite."

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