LadyEllen
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LadyEllen: The word Hooligan is derived from a derogatory English term for Irish people - I take it from the name thats pronounced Hoolahann (but probably spelt Gdskpaljuie in that bizarre Irish spelling system they have).
Its Irish. A language. One of the Celtic languages (Gaelic is another). It is a language of the peoples (Celts, Welsh, Irish and Scots) who gave the pathetic little southern isle of England you live on its culture, heart, and intelligence. Without them (and the Romans, the Vikings, and the French) you would be nothing but a pathetic blue-painted pre-historic tribe.
Ok...that was an exaggeration, but JEEZE it felt good.
E.
Thats it!
Handbags at dawn it is. My second shall call upon you Feb 30th at 7am.
Nah, dont worry. My neighbour Adrian is mixed Welsh/Irish and I push his buttons on it all the time - about how these "Celtic" types are all mouth and no trousers. I mean, they must be superior right? They wouldnt have been pushed to the barren extremities of Britain and enslaved otherwise, surely?
Mind you, they do have a great fighting spirit - no doubt there. I reckon we built our empire on it, all in all. But they couldnt have built their own empire alone - too damned drunk all the while, (ask the Romans on that one), and their tendency to run about shouting a lot is very impressive but not as effective as a disciplined volley fire into said noisy mass. In short, the UK was and is what it is because together we're unbeatable.
As for the Anglo Saxon world - I believe if you look into the history, you will find it to have been rich enough in itself. Roman ways did not affect it - they scarpered and left the poor "Celts" to invite us in to defend them from the Picts, but we liked the look of the place and decided to stay.
from the Anglo Saxon Chronicle AD 449
And on hiera dagum Hengest and Horsa, fram Wyrtgeorne gelathode, Bretta cyninge, gesohton Bretene on thaem stede the is genemned Ypwines-fleot, aerest Brettum to fultume, ac hie eft on hie fuhton.
(And in these days, Hengest and Horsa, invited by the British king Vortigern, came to Britain in the place which is named Ebbsfleet, first to help the British, though later they fought against them.)
The Celts had been weakened by their soft Romanicised living, and apart from a few episodes, the whole thing was pretty much determined within a hundred years or so. A factor in the Anglo Saxon success was undoubtedly their swords - made the same as Samurai swords were, a thousand years later and capable of cutting a man in half - literally. One can hardly blame the Celts for running.
Now, the Vikings... the fact is that genetically and culturally they were not different to the Anglo Saxons, and back in the 5th century, the Anglo Saxons would have kicked their asses. However, the same reason the Celts were so weak, also weakened the Anglo Saxons - the vile infection known as Christianity, imposed by various means (mostly foul) on the Anglo Saxons. So when the Vikings arrived, the Anglo Saxons found themselves in the same position as the Celts had, and rather than slaughtering the invaders in true Odinic style, had the "turn the other cheek" thing going on instead.
Anyway, King Alfed eventually beat them back and agreed the Danelaw, whereby the north and east would be Viking and the south and west Saxon. If you find the A5 road on your map - the old Roman road, thats more or less the border and to this day, this is where the accent changes from Saxon to Norse.
And then, the Normans - who were actually Vikings and genetically not different to the Anglo Saxons and the Vikings in the Danelaw. Aside from the infusion of Celtic blood of course - but then that occurred on both sides anyway, as some of the British Celts fled the Anglo Saxons by embarking for what is Brittany in France, next door to Normandy, with whom they allied against those other Germanics the Franks.
Now, if you want to know who perpetrated all the abuse and persecution of the Celts, then you have to look to these Norman invaders and their descendants. The Anglo Saxons didnt do it, neither did the Vikings - it was the Norman kings and what followed from them which repressed the Celts in their lands, not we. We simply made an honourable war for land, and were happy to leave the Celts wherever they ran to.
And we didnt paint ourselves blue either; more of a pre-Roman Celtic thing that.
One last thing, which really makes me laugh. The word Welsh is from the old Anglo Saxon wealh, meaning foreigner/alien. That the Welsh have taken that description as their own is surely the ultimate sign of the superiority of Anglo Saxon culture.
E (the premier E of CM)
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