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mistoferin -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 7:49:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Blackhaven
GoreanGuy: I wish you luck in your conversation here. You’re going to need it. I might suggest an “I am sorry” and then move on from there.            


Well. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that one. Blackhaven, I do hope that this man's behavior on this thread and the other one have given you a clear picture of the integrity level of the man "keeping your girl in line".




ownedgirlie -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 7:50:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoreanGuy
BH thank you for being the only one who answered the question at hand  


The OP received 10 direct answers (including my own) until it turned into the GG battleground.




gooddogbenji -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 7:51:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoreanGuy

the last post in the thread I am going to make is



Would it be wrong to sing "Ding dong the witch is dead?"

Yours,


benji




Kalira -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 7:54:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoreanGuy

the last post in the thread I am going to make is



Would it be wrong to sing "Ding dong the witch is dead?"

Yours,


benji

LOL sing it benji




Najakcharmer -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 7:56:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoreanGuy
the last post in the thread I am going to make is that WHY am  I getting ripped on?


Let me take a moment to try to explain.

You have generally been behaving yourself in a way that serious Goreans frown on.  And you are representing yourself as a "Gorean Guy" in public.  You're not only being a dumbass, you're being a dumbass in a way that gives a bad name to Goreans.  So you're managing to offend and annoy pretty much everybody.  Goreans are likely to be even more annoyed with you than anyone else, as you're already finding out over on the Gorean forum.




Blackhaven -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 7:58:38 PM)

Just as a matter of clarification. I am not servussempers’ Owner… I am her friend and will stand by her and up for her as needed.




gooddogbenji -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:02:17 PM)

Was that a reply to me?

You have to be shitting me.  You'll stand up for her online?

As in, if I try to make a stupid comment, you'll...  ummmmm....  Make a stupid comment back?

This thread keeps getting better.

Yours,


benji




mistoferin -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:02:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoreanGuy
the last post in the thread I am going to make is that WHY am  I getting ripped on?


Let me take a moment to try to explain.

You have generally been behaving yourself in a way that serious Goreans frown on.  And you are representing yourself as a "Gorean Guy" in public.  You're not only being a dumbass, you're being a dumbass in a way that gives a bad name to Goreans.  So you're managing to offend and annoy pretty much everybody.  Goreans are likely to be even more annoyed with you than anyone else, as you're already finding out over on the Gorean forum.



I'm going to take it one step further and say that it really has nothing to do with the fact that he claims to be Gorean. It's really about the fact that his statement to me carried an implication that submissives are not worthy of the time it takes to listen to their thoughts or opinions and that just because he claims the Dominant end of the flogger that ALL submissives should honor that postion and submit to him and not dare to disagree with anything he says. It carried the implication that submissives are not worth listening to or discussing things with because nothing could possibly be learned from one.




Najakcharmer -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:06:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I'm going to take it one step further and say that it really has nothing to do with the fact that he claims to be Gorean. It's really about the fact that his statement to me carried an implication that submissives are not worthy of the time it takes to listen to their thoughts or opinions and that just because he claims the Dominant end of the flogger that ALL submissives should honor that postion and submit to him and not dare to disagree with anything he says. It carried the implication that submissives are not worth listening to or discussing things with because nothing could possibly be learned from one.


Yeah.  That's the "dumbass" part I was talking about.  [:D]




servussemper -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:08:06 PM)

It seems coming here was a mistake and if I had a choice hours ago I would of had the moderators delete this thread before it turned into a flaming thread of petty insults directed in to many directions to count. However, obviously it wasn't so after hours of watching post after post be posted I decided to get back to stating what my original issue was since obviously few understood it to begin with.

I didn't let "anyone" ruin my afternoon, but yes this person did put a thorn in my side by showing me that it is very obvious that few people have any respect for anyone in this day-and-age here or in person. My original post was referring to his opening message, I found it offensive where had my Real time Master of over two years said that to me it would of not been anything to me, but a strange man that does not know me from Adam, yes it did bother me a bit to know that people here think that just because subs/slaves are here we are just here to be taken advantage of or used.

My biggest issue being the fact that my profile is very specific and he did not read it. Now, I don't know how everyone else is, but before I go to send an email off to someone I don't know I usually read almost their entire profile to make sure that something that I say does not offend them or otherwise discourage them from writing back. Mostly because not only do I not want to come off as someone who is just trolling for people, but I want them to make sure and know that yes, I took the time to read their profile and I respected them enough to at least find out if we had common interests. If you can't do that why waste your time? It's pointless.

Maybe I was out of line slightly by repeatedly coming back at him with my posts but I did not let his words send me into a state of swearing, cussing, or otherwise belittling of him. I at least gave him that much respect as I would expect from anyone in my position. I chose my place in life and know that what happens on here reflects my real time Master and that, yes he will find out about it and if I do something that he finds isn't approved I will be punished. Do I believe I was wrong in allowing myself to continue to banter back and forth with this guy? Yes I was wrong, I should of never replied at all and should of ignored him off the bat but I made a mistake, people are people they do make those and unfortunatly I'm flesh and blood like everyone else.
Now in regards to the GG situation, he is a friend, he has no control over me on the internet or off. I role play with him in other realms that are not CM, and that is all and speak to him on MSN. He is just that though a friend. What he has done in the chatrooms and on this board is not for me to judge, but I will say that I don't think it is right for anyone to disrespect anyone in their own home. I myself am blind so I understand the coloring issue of text and understand that reading certain colors is impossible. But no he is not my Master he is a friend and that is that.

quote:

"Not only is his grammar great, he's also doing a good job of wasting her time, being a troll, and otherwise an idiot.
I just got a little BS-potential alarm.
He's obviously not being taken seriously.  So, he creates a new profile, pretends to be a girl (About the same intelligence) and post the OP, then agrees with himself, and debates. "


As for the gender bender thing, I do not have a penis and would gladly verify that if my Master allowed me to. Thank you Master Blackhaven for also verifying I do not have a penis as I was beginning to worry that possibly something grew while I was sleeping, and well I am sure my Master would of told me about that come morning. So no, I am not a dude, I am not someone just looking for attention, and yah, sorry nope...no cock here.

quote:

"To the OP: Answering once is to get rid of them. Bantering back and forth is feeding their desire, that is probably what they were looking for. Usually, you can prettymuch tel who has and hasnt read your profile. Once you tell them to take a read, if they are still being stupid, just block.  Arguing doesnt do anything, since tey are starting ost of the time to see if tey get a rise out of you... which they did.
DV "

Thank you Mistress

quote:

"WHAT????  You''ve known her a whole 2 weeks, and already you help keep her in line?  How long has she known her owner?  A month?
Wow.  Cyber at its best. "


quote:

"I wish I could start to believe that but unfortunately I think that it's probably alot closer to say that we have a naive OP who is afloat in a world that she doesn't understand or have the life skills to deal with being guided by a "real life Master" who has her convinced that she needs to bow to someone online for some additional "training" and just to be on the safe side, she must have some clueless wonder who has a God complex incorporated into the mix to "keep her in line" when he's too busy to do it himself....because Lord knows that is the way that real submissives and adults do it. Now go take two aspirins and call me in the morning.
< Message edited by mistoferin -- 12/3/2006 7:04:28 PM >"


Not that I have to justify this to any of you but my Master has owned me real time over two years. The dynamic of our relationship is none of your business, and the training that we are seeking someone to help with is because we live in a small backwoods town that we can not do the things that we want to allow me to grow as a submissive or that we would be able to in a larger area.

Just for your information mist my Master does not have the time to be here everyday that he wants to be due to the fact he works 60 + hours a week or more and his hours range all over the place. So before you go commenting on other peoples "abilities" to train their submissives or their ability to Master perhaps you should realize that their life may not be as lenient for time as yours. When you consider in the fact of children, work, doctors, multiple roomates, and many other hinderances that certain relationships have to take into consideration.

Also, just to make a quick point thank you to everyone else that responded to my original questions after wading through the BS I think I might of actually got a few straight answers.

Though I am still trying to figure out why and where my post got highjacked as I wasn't looking for a pat on the head, or a you did a crap job I was just stating a opinion and you know opinions are like assholes everyone has one and everyone uses it.




LadyHugs -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:15:09 PM)

Dear GoreanGuy, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
There have been plenty of replies made to the original poster and to you.
 
What I find curious though, is that you stated that you knew the lass a few weeks, that is the original poster and that you 'sorta' keep the lass in line when her owner isn't able to.
 
It is my understanding be it Gorean style or BDSM style; either you're a Master or not.  It isn't like pregnancy and be a 'little bit' Master.  It would be no different than being a 'little bit' a soldier--to me, either you are or you are not.  I know in my world--the philosophy is--either you are a Master/Mistress or you're not.  The same applies to slaves, kajirae, kajirii and or submissives.
 
I also did not see any conformation from the lass, that you are a guardian and or acting on behalf of her owner/Master/Jarl.  It is my understanding that kajira only obey those who collared them.  It is my observation that those who are seperated by distance and on a computer relationship, cannot enforce anything on anyone--unless they will it.   
 
Trust is earned but, it isn't suddenly created in several weeks time.  And, trust can easily be lost indeed.  But, along with trust--there must be maturity, good judgment and give good measure of respect to those regardless if dominant or submissive, Master, Mistress and or slave.  Perhaps it may be considered, that what might be tolerated in an all Gorean world; will not be so tolerated on Earth. 
 
Each individual on CM and elsewhere, are adults.  Some more seasoned than others.  However, those who claim others 'ignorant' might be more ignorant than those painted so.  I have yet to meet any, who claim to know it all.  People know a lot and not always manifest 'all' they know; as they allow those making a fool of themselves the opportunity to 'save face.'  I have yet to meet any, who starting their first steps in the lifestyle and or searching in a particular style claim anything other than 'wanting to be.' 
 
Indeed, some individuals find humor and or power in being a rude, a bully, a bore, a fool and or obnoxious towards others.  That is their problem.  The most important thing is to control 'self' and choose the attitude and or behavior; knowing that there are consequences linked to them.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:19:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoreanGuy
the last post in the thread I am going to make is that WHY am  I getting ripped on? I told her exactly what BlackHaven said and they started flaming Me. you people say that I am not Gorean but I am going to ask how truly old are you that you have to resort to try to get under My skin and bother someone INSTEAD of answering the question she originally asked?
BH thank you for being the only one who answered the question at hand  


She got several answers.  I was personally thanked for mine, bt if you choose not to recognize I gave one, thats your own issue. I dont really care, the OP was the one needing the advice, and she got it.
Why are you getting ripped on?  Not for what you said to her, but what you said to OTHERS who shared their opinions as well.  You didnt open yourself up to the flames until you said you werent going to argue with a sub. After that, its open season. We all respect one another here, you didnt. Plain and simple, when you disrespect someone who is a major part of our forum community and has far more friends on here than you obviously do, you open yourself up to problems.  We are going to defend OUR friends the same way you seem to want to defend yours.  
I dont care if you identify yourelf as gorean or not, Dominant or submissive... you disrespect someone and you are going to have your proverbial ass handed to you.  Dont like it, watch your mouth next time.

DV




Blackhaven -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:20:14 PM)

My comment was meant to demonstrate a level of commitment to my friend. If you make a dull comment I will simply take note and dismiss it. But, I give you props on trying to drag me into this mess. I refuse to get sucked into petty disbutes.




mistoferin -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:23:13 PM)

As you misunderstood my advice to you I will try to state it in clearer terms. The man who contacted you was an idiot who didn't deserve your time or respect. You do not have to give anyone in this world any extra degree of respect because of your position. If someone has sold you that line then you have bought a big pile of BS. Unfortunately, this is the internet and from time to time you are going to get messages from people like that man....we all get them. Ignore them and don't give them a moments thought. Unless they are stepping up to pay your bills you owe them absolutely nothing....least of all a response. You allowed that man to take up space in your brain today that he didn't earn the right to have.

And not to be rude....but we all have busy lives full of children, jobs, doctors, hobbies.....full of life. I also spent the vast majority of my life in a one horse town. That doesn't mean you have to have a team to "train" you to grow in your submission. My submission simply IS. I don't need anyone to train it into me or coax it out of me.

As for why and where your thread got hijacked.....thank your friend.




gooddogbenji -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:25:10 PM)

Now that was a reply to me.  I think.  Or to your friend.  Whatever.

So your level of commitment is that.....  you'll type words for her? 

In that case, I'll demonstrate my level of commitment for DV.

I will stand up for the Vamp, whatever may happen.  Provided it stays online, and takes no extra effort on my part.

Yours,


benji




Blackhaven -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:36:09 PM)

Yes that was directed at you Benji. No I will not type her words for her. I will however support her positions given that they are valid and realistic. I am discarding the second part of that post benji as it does not apply. Whatever GoreanGuy does is not my concern and should you are having anger issues with him please feel free to write him. I’m not here to be your target. If you want to have a conversation with me mail me I will be more then happy to talk to you. I don’t think we need to drag all this on and on in here. It’s proving nothing. I would like to thank everyone that gave constructive criticism to my friend. I do look forward to getting to know some of you and forgetting others. Peace…   Blackhaven




Blackhaven -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:38:36 PM)

Amend" Whatever GoreanGuy does is not my concern and should you have anger issues with him please feel free to write him.




servussemper -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:38:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

As you misunderstood my advice to you I will try to state it in clearer terms. The man who contacted you was an idiot who didn't deserve your time or respect. You do not have to give anyone in this world any extra degree of respect because of your position. If someone has sold you that line then you have bought a big pile of BS. Ufortunately, this is the internet and from time to time you are going to get messages from people like that man....we all get them. Ignore them and don't give them a moments thought. Unless they are stepping up to pay your bills you owe them absolutely nothing....least of all a response. You allowed that man to take up space in your brain today that he didn't earn the right to have.

And not to be rude....but we all have busy lives full of children, jobs, doctors, hobbies.....full of life. I also spent the vast majority of my life in a one horse town. That doesn't mean you have to have a team to "train" you to grow in your submission. My submission simply IS. I don't need anyone to train it into me or coax it out of me.

As for why and where your thread got hijacked.....thank your friend.


I'm sorry mist I obviously wasn't paying as well attention to my screen reader as I thought I had been and misinterpreted what you stated. I appologize and hope to not have that confusion in the future. Thank you.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:46:11 PM)

Aww, benji, im touched that you will stand up fr me as long as I dont really need to be stood up for.

Blackhaven, I am glad she has someone who realistically seems interested in what she needs to learn.  Your concern is genuine, while GG seems a little too involved in his newfound role which he doesnt actually have to take her point of view into consideration.

DV




Blackhaven -> RE: Ignorance (12/3/2006 8:51:48 PM)

Thanks DiurnalVampire,    I have no problems with you and even if I did I would feel no need to resort to insulting you here. I could do that in private. *LOL* I jest. I’m not going to speak for the others in her life but I do have a vested interest in her wellbeing. Thanks for noticing.   Blackhaven




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