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Lordandmaster -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 5:36:16 PM)
You ain't a mongoose, UR. quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Hey, Level, that sucks, but be glad you weren't bitten by THIS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_mamba When I was on Okinawa back 1983 as a Marine, the north side of the island had a place were you could pay a few bucks and watch a Black Mamba and a Mongoose fight in a ring. From all the marines who had watched these fights, not one time did I ever hear that the Mongoose had come out on the losing end.

Chaingang -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 5:56:09 PM)
I wanna be the mongoose!!!

acissej -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 5:56:46 PM)
Oy vey. Scary stuff. I hope you make a full recovery soon, Level, and continue not to look like a horror film reject.

MizSuz -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 6:57:04 PM)
I'm glad you went to the doctor. Don't be fooled by the seemingly insignificant external size. Infections from brown recluse tend to tunnel. It's possible it could be huge and long inside your leg and very small externally. Please don't quit the antibiotics before you're done with the full course. It could just ramp up an immunity to the drug and then you'll have to take something else. I hope you get better soon.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 8:54:32 PM)
Level!! Yikes - sounds awful. I can't look at any of the links or I will end up in Heeby Geeby Hell! Get better fast!! Aileen, you're killing me, lol. Marie, I used to use aerosol until I discovered the hand held vaccuum. [;)] Kyra, I would have fainted right then and there. [sm=hair.gif]

SweetSarijane -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 9:16:55 PM)
Those are nasty little boogers. I HATE them. Sounds like you maybe lucked out. A good friend of mine got bit on the top of her foot and finally went to a doctor when it opened up an area about the size of a quarter. She was told had she waited any longer, she would have lost a chunk of her foot. She has a scar but she has all her foot still. I was bitten a few years ago myself, but it was pretty mild. They don't always get real nasty and horrible, it's just that those are the ones you hear about. Hope it heals up quick for you.

Najakcharmer -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 9:31:52 PM)
I would not confirm those images as necessarily being representative of loxoscelism. It's not impossible, but let's say that there are a lot of questions in my mind about the authenticity of those images. There are a lot of other possibilities that come to mind as a medical origin. Spider bite would not be my first guess.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 9:33:28 PM)
There are 20,000 different kinds of spiders in the United States alone. Only 60 are capable of biting humans. And only 4 are dangerous. Those 4 are the Brown Recluse, the Black Widow, Hobo, and Yellow Sac. None are aggressive. They will bite usually only when they are threatened.

Lorelei115 -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 9:37:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Marie, I used to use aerosol until I discovered the hand held vaccuum. [;)] But then you have to empty the bag, where the possibly still alive spider is lurking. They do lurk, you know.. I don't care what anyone says about spiders being non-agressive, those crawlers have it in for me... The stalk me, and if you kill one all its relatives come out for revenge..... shudder

Emperor1956 -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 9:38:51 PM)
Considering that Level sounds a lot better (fortunately) and considering that this thread has already been macerated, I was going to say that my recollection of the "Mongoose/snake" fights in Okinawa are mongooses (which are possibly native) and the "habu" which is a native pit viper which is very slow. Not a cobra (unless I misremember my little bit of snake taxonomy) and surely not a mamba. E

Najakcharmer -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 9:44:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 There are 20,000 different kinds of spiders in the United States alone. Only 60 are capable of biting humans. And only 4 are dangerous. Those 4 are the Brown Recluse, the Black Widow, Hobo, and Yellow Sac. None are aggressive. They will bite usually only when they are threatened. Recluses are skittery and hard to handle, and they can be a bit defensive. Black widows are easy to handle and simply don't bite unless they are crushed or physically restrained. Never worked with Tegenaria or Cheiracanthium, but neither are very toxic to humans. Yellow sac bites are extremely mild. A bee sting is much worse. Yellow sacs are not considered to be a medically significant species. Hobo spider bites can actually cause systemic symptoms as well as necrotic arachnidism, putting Tegenaria up there with Loxosceles and Latrodectus as the three medically significant spider species in North America. Most spiders can't physically bite people because their fangs are too small. Even the ones on this list usually need to be "helped" with some outside pressure, eg, being trapped between clothing and skin, to deliver a sub-q injection to a human. And typically they don't bite people unless they are trapped and crushed in this way. There's a number of spiders in North America with fangs large enough to bite humans quite readily, but their venom is harmless to anything bigger than a bug.

HollyS -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 9:50:51 PM)
I don't know much about spiders, snakes or mongooses, but since when has lack of subject knowledge been a barrier to posting?!? Everything I know about cobras and mongooses comes from the Chuck Jones version of Rikki Tikki Tavi. Let me tell you, Nag and Nageena weren't slow!! Rikki was still faster. grins ~Holly, who has terribly fond memories of that show...

Najakcharmer -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 9:56:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 Considering that Level sounds a lot better (fortunately) and considering that this thread has already been macerated, I was going to say that my recollection of the "Mongoose/snake" fights in Okinawa are mongooses (which are possibly native) and the "habu" which is a native pit viper which is very slow. Not a cobra (unless I misremember my little bit of snake taxonomy) and surely not a mamba. Habu can refer either to Trimeresurus okinavensis, a large tree viper, or to Gloydius blomhoffi (formerly Agkistrodon blomhoffi), a close taxonomic relative of our cottonmouth. I have worked with both species (had many successful breedings of the latter) and they are absolutely not slow. Lightning fast strike when it's feeding time, just like all healthy vipers. Either one would seriously fuck up a mongoose in its natural healthy state, unless it was severely abused in some manner prior to the show. Which would not surprise me, since the shows themselves constitute animal abuse of the lowest order. They could also have been using nonvenomous snakes and calling them anything they wanted, since the average layperson is not going to be able to contradict them. Cobras are typically the venomous snakes used in mongoose shows, specifically because cobras are pitifully slow strikers and will always get their asses kicked. The same trick doesn't work with vipers. Unless you abuse the viper or stick it in the fridge before the show, in which case it will indeed be too slow to do much of anything even as it is being torn apart in slow agony. It takes a reptile a very long time to die even of mortal wounds because of their high tolerance for metabolic acidosis and oxygen deprivation, and they are as well innervated and fully sensate as any mammal. I'd like to get my hands on the perpetrators of these shows. I really would. [:@]

Najakcharmer -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 10:11:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HollyS Everything I know about cobras and mongooses comes from the Chuck Jones version of Rikki Tikki Tavi. Let me tell you, Nag and Nageena weren't slow!! Rikki was still faster. grins ~Holly, who has terribly fond memories of that show... Yeah. I was rooting for the cobras even at that age. LOL Lemme explain "slow". Special equipment is always helpful but really not necessary if one is in a hurry and needs to snitch a cobra. The handler simply waves under the snake's nose with one hand and reaches for the back of the hood with the other. The resulting strike (if it happens at all) is so slow that an alert handler is not even aware of moving all that quickly to avoid it. This is for normal healthy animals held at 80-90F. There are other ways in which they can surprise you or move quickly, but the stand and strike isn't one of them. That's how those silly snake charmers get away with kissing them. It's really that easy. I don't think it is a good idea to do stupid snake tricks, but if I ever wanted to, say, put a little Santa Claus hat on a cobra for laughs, it would be remarkably easy. The poor snake couldn't do a darn thing about it. Which is why I'll giggle at the notion and leave it at that.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 10:27:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorelei115 quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Marie, I used to use aerosol until I discovered the hand held vaccuum. [;)] But then you have to empty the bag, where the possibly still alive spider is lurking. They do lurk, you know.. I don't care what anyone says about spiders being non-agressive, those crawlers have it in for me... The stalk me, and if you kill one all its relatives come out for revenge..... shudder No no no there is no bag. It's a bin that gets emptied. But only after I leave it on for about 10 minutes making sure it is good and dead. LOL @ lurking. Gee thanks, now I can have nightmares all night.

ShreveportMaster -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 10:44:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: HollyS Everything I know about cobras and mongooses comes from the Chuck Jones version of Rikki Tikki Tavi. Let me tell you, Nag and Nageena weren't slow!! Rikki was still faster. grins ~Holly, who has terribly fond memories of that show... Yeah. I was rooting for the cobras even at that age. LOL Lemme explain "slow". Special equipment is always helpful but really not necessary if one is in a hurry and needs to snitch a cobra. The handler simply waves under the snake's nose with one hand and reaches for the back of the hood with the other. The resulting strike (if it happens at all) is so slow that an alert handler is not even aware of moving all that quickly to avoid it. This is for normal healthy animals held at 80-90F. There are other ways in which they can surprise you or move quickly, but the stand and strike isn't one of them. That's how those silly snake charmers get away with kissing them. It's really that easy. I don't think it is a good idea to do stupid snake tricks, but if I ever wanted to, say, put a little Santa Claus hat on a cobra for laughs, it would be remarkably easy. The poor snake couldn't do a darn thing about it. Which is why I'll giggle at the notion and leave it at that. I'd love to see that one, I think it'd be cute, and quite harmless to the wormy in question. You could also send it to your nigerian romance scammer as a token of the festival of Chrismahaunakwanzakah.

Vendaval -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 11:14:29 PM)
Dear Level, I had the same thing happen to me twice, once on each leg; complete with redness and swelling and fever. Keep taking all the antibiotics and some Advil or Tylenol to aid in the soreness and fever. Wishing you a good recovery, Vendaval

Missokyst -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 11:17:34 PM)
Oh FINE! Now I will never sleep! EWWWWWWWWWWWW Kyst quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKalif maybe it put eggs in your arm.....yuuuck.

Stunning -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/6/2006 11:34:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chaingang I wanna be the mongoose!!! No, Gir.

popeye1250 -> RE: Brown recluse spider (12/7/2006 12:19:21 AM)
Najak, I hear we here in the Carolinas have a pretty good assortment of snakes as compared to the rest of the country. I've seen the usual assortment of copperheads squashed on the road in summer months and some black ones that I didn't know what they were. You seem pretty well versed in herpetology, what do we have in the Carolinas?

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